WSOP Main Event - Page 2

ok, nevermind then. i'm not interested

GL regardless

I'd buy whatever you have left at no mark-up if you need pieces bought.

"and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance."

Why was this edited out of ur post?

Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

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^LOL

Marshall was tryin to have a real talk but he remembered we're 12y/os

On May 28 2014 05:17 FrinkX wrote: "and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance." Why was this edited out of ur post? Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

On May 28 2014 05:17 FrinkX wrote: "and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance." Why was this edited out of ur post? Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

jealous much?

...its funny that u still haven't grown up and continue to act like a child. seriously i didn't know ppl older than 15 still spent time attacking others over the internet. clown.

It's not personal anymore, has to do with u tricking the community into actually thinking ur a huge winner and selling off action as an irresponsible player. They deserve a fair warning

If everyone knew what I knew I'd never post.

Jealousy isn't the right word when I play higher stakes than u and have a far better life

Wait, off topic, but FrinkX is Evan McNiff right?

careface, a while back i wrote down the names of 164 good and very good pros who have played the main event. i then added up then # of times they played the main event and their total cashes. i purposefully left off some players like duhamel and joseph cheong because i felt like they would have never reached an ok level had they not done well in the main event. also left off greg merson. and left off all years before 2005. just a different tournament in a different time. took the hachem series to 2012, 8 years of WSOP main events. i actually had 0 WSOP main event winners on the list. i didnt want people screwing up the numbers. i basically only included final table players like matusow, ivey, cunningham, ben lamb, the grinder. i didnt even include michael binger in this list.

results?
955 main events, 170 cashes, ROI 196%

sure this includes guys like ivey and negreanu who likely have 500% ROIs over many of those years, but very good players do have big ROIs in the main event. the tournament is too slow, too deep and too many fish not to.

now, suppose we have a very good player in an online tournament. ill take myself cause i dont want to talk about anyone else. lets say i am selling action to the sunday 100 rebuy on stars. it gets about 900 people, has a bunch of good players and a bunch of terrible fish. i would guess that my ROI in this tournament is about 30%. just based on the feel of how soft it is. since its an online tournament and it costs me virtually nothing to enter it, i think a fair selling price to it would be 1.1:1.

in the main event, with many more players and a much better structure, i think my ROI is likely in the 75-100% range. some would say higher, but i think they are a bit delusional. but if i were to play the main event id have to drive to vegas, stay in a hotel, not play online those long hours....the cost is rather high. so while the profits of an online tournament should be split much more fairly, and maybe even a little in the favor of the backer, the profits of a live tournament should mostly go to the horse. i think 1.5:1 is a completely fair markup to sell at for someone with a 75-100% ROI in the main event.


there is A LOT that factors into this markup. more than you would consider for a 1500 prelim or an online tournament. for a 1500 prelim id sell at 1.3:1. but the main event...i mean fuck, if i make day 3 and dont cash i HAVE TO BE IN VEGAS FOR AT LEAST 6 DAYS. its really absurd the cost of playing it.

im ignoring the discussion about marshall's drinking and lack of focus during the tournament. just speaking about very good players with pretty good ROIs getting the majority of their expected profit in a long tournament with high monetary and time costs to the player but not the backers.

On May 28 2014 23:14 FrinkX wrote: Jealousy isn't the right word when I play higher stakes than u and have a far better life

for someone who has it so great, most would think you'd spend your time focusing on that rather than wasting your time trying to convince everyone how much better you have it.

i'm lucky to be in a good situation, i wouldn't have the audacity to try to rub that in others' faces especially if they weren't as lucky as me. i guess you don't really care about anything or anyone but yourself though.

I think it's pretty clear what has to be done here.
HU4Rollz

very interesting daut