WSOP Main Event

no opt in on sharkscope? oO

Real hard to say. If you play your B game or better and dont punt unneccessarily id say 1.4:1

But ive watched a few of your videos and read your write up last year, you do get more aggro in spots raising turns with weak draws and pounding rivers which increases chances of busting vs stationy players. I dunno what is exactly best in an mtt cause you will pile up chips sometimes and other times bust day 1 in spots where other good players wouldnt. Either way you have a big roi though. Gl

1.4:1 wow? :O
How much do you think the German pros got for One Drop daut?

marshall payed off daut to overvalue him, they are going to split any profit above 1.2

this is the main event. it gets 6000 people and has a ridiculously slow structure.... i would sell myself at 1.4:1, and marshall is a much better/tougher NL player than me. i just have a bit more experience in mtts and am better short, but im unconvinced my low variance style is better than his for the main. i mean really marshall might be one of those freaks with a 200% ROI cause hes tough as shit. who knows though, 1.4:1 is very safe.

one drop gets 50 people, 90% of whom are super tough and the structure is very fast. not even remotely comparable

On May 27 2014 11:38 LemOn[5thF] wrote: 1.4:1 wow? :O How much do you think the German pros got for One Drop daut?

1.4 is not that much tbh for a live event that soft as the ME.

to be honest i could probably sell myself at 1.6:1. i know some players that do and sell easily. but i think its unfair to investors

Well you know, the guy who is asking isnt the crazy one, but the one paying the price. But it wouldnt be so unfair imo, its just crazy soft and super deep.

lol @ main event. Last time I played live this ugly girl was bragging about how she bought into WSOP ME. Pretty sure she lives in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment with her cat, and she somehow scraped up 10k to buy in, lasted 3 days I think she said. She's like "I always wanted to sit at those tables, so I said why not, YOLO!". I'd buy all of Marshall's action if I could afford it.

On May 27 2014 11:33 Daut wrote: But ive watched a few of your videos and read your write up last year, you do get more aggro in spots raising turns with weak draws and pounding rivers which increases chances of busting vs stationy players. I dunno what is exactly best in an mtt cause you will pile up chips sometimes and other times bust day 1 in spots where other good players wouldnt. Either way you have a big roi though. Gl

thanks for all that ... i think those types of turn raise spots are really not that good against people who aren't good players. the field is so weak that i remember a few spots that i actually overplayed my hands on the flop then had to fold 2 pair on the turn (this happened more than once i recall). so i would say my style is probably more similar to yours in that i just try to play low variance and not make any big mistakes, get my hands in good and just hope they hold.

the biggest mistakes i made last year had to do with 3bet bluffing too much with blockers pre. i remember multiple spots where i would 3bet a utg open w/ stuff like KQo then fired two bets when i couldn't get guys to fold even JJ on low-ish boards. this year i'm going to avoid playing pots in these spots and play much tighter preflop. i think i lost a lot of chips last year doing that--so much that i could have lasted til maybe the top 100 by just folding every hand.

Depends on if you plan to get shitfaced like last year

On May 27 2014 15:14 NewbSaibot wrote: lol @ main event. Last time I played live this ugly girl was bragging about how she bought into WSOP ME. Pretty sure she lives in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment with her cat, and she somehow scraped up 10k to buy in, lasted 3 days I think she said. She's like "I always wanted to sit at those tables, so I said why not, YOLO!". I'd buy all of Marshall's action if I could afford it.

This post is so great.

anything above 1.3 is a ripoff.
1.1 to 1.3 is reasonable imo

i think i'd buy somewhere around 5-10% at the 1.4:1 Daut said (as long as you don't drink too much!)

i will be out there sporadically and can give you cash at some point before Main

ITT low stakes cash players try to educate an experienced MTT player and backer on what markup is fair in the WSOP main event.

dont mean to be a dick with this comment, but come on lol. has anyone who said 1.4 is absurd even played the main event before?

i don't think they realize the implications considering a big score, or the other costs associated with going to play the event, let alone pete's edge.

GL, I look forward to your write ups and (knock on wood) final table

i haven't received one PM from anyone interested ... is it too early? I'm gonna be travelling through Europe all of June. will be back in san diego july 1st then heading to Vegas July 7th to play Day 3.

i'm not pressuring anyone to buy at 1.4. i was just looking for offers.

i definitely want to do well and there's nothing that would stop me from wanting to do the best i possibly can for myself (particularly since i'll have at minimum half my action). i'd feel absolutely stupid for wasting my own time.

ok, nevermind then. i'm not interested

GL regardless

I'd buy whatever you have left at no mark-up if you need pieces bought.

"and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance."

Why was this edited out of ur post?

Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

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^LOL

Marshall was tryin to have a real talk but he remembered we're 12y/os

On May 28 2014 05:17 FrinkX wrote: "and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance." Why was this edited out of ur post? Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

On May 28 2014 05:17 FrinkX wrote: "and drinking creates a more +ev scenario since it keeps me entertained while i'm at the table and less likely to donk off out of boredom (not proud of it, but i'm such an alcoholic that it doesn't significantly effect my state of mind--i play 10/20 NL and PLO frequently in this mindstate-- as I did last year when I finished 196). if that's a problem for anyone, i suppose i can just buy in full myself. not like i can't afford it--just trying to decrease my variance." Why was this edited out of ur post? Would be fucking retarded to buy ur action at 1-1, even if u werent an alcoholic and unreal drug user

jealous much?

...its funny that u still haven't grown up and continue to act like a child. seriously i didn't know ppl older than 15 still spent time attacking others over the internet. clown.

It's not personal anymore, has to do with u tricking the community into actually thinking ur a huge winner and selling off action as an irresponsible player. They deserve a fair warning

If everyone knew what I knew I'd never post.

Jealousy isn't the right word when I play higher stakes than u and have a far better life

Wait, off topic, but FrinkX is Evan McNiff right?

careface, a while back i wrote down the names of 164 good and very good pros who have played the main event. i then added up then # of times they played the main event and their total cashes. i purposefully left off some players like duhamel and joseph cheong because i felt like they would have never reached an ok level had they not done well in the main event. also left off greg merson. and left off all years before 2005. just a different tournament in a different time. took the hachem series to 2012, 8 years of WSOP main events. i actually had 0 WSOP main event winners on the list. i didnt want people screwing up the numbers. i basically only included final table players like matusow, ivey, cunningham, ben lamb, the grinder. i didnt even include michael binger in this list.

results?
955 main events, 170 cashes, ROI 196%

sure this includes guys like ivey and negreanu who likely have 500% ROIs over many of those years, but very good players do have big ROIs in the main event. the tournament is too slow, too deep and too many fish not to.

now, suppose we have a very good player in an online tournament. ill take myself cause i dont want to talk about anyone else. lets say i am selling action to the sunday 100 rebuy on stars. it gets about 900 people, has a bunch of good players and a bunch of terrible fish. i would guess that my ROI in this tournament is about 30%. just based on the feel of how soft it is. since its an online tournament and it costs me virtually nothing to enter it, i think a fair selling price to it would be 1.1:1.

in the main event, with many more players and a much better structure, i think my ROI is likely in the 75-100% range. some would say higher, but i think they are a bit delusional. but if i were to play the main event id have to drive to vegas, stay in a hotel, not play online those long hours....the cost is rather high. so while the profits of an online tournament should be split much more fairly, and maybe even a little in the favor of the backer, the profits of a live tournament should mostly go to the horse. i think 1.5:1 is a completely fair markup to sell at for someone with a 75-100% ROI in the main event.


there is A LOT that factors into this markup. more than you would consider for a 1500 prelim or an online tournament. for a 1500 prelim id sell at 1.3:1. but the main event...i mean fuck, if i make day 3 and dont cash i HAVE TO BE IN VEGAS FOR AT LEAST 6 DAYS. its really absurd the cost of playing it.

im ignoring the discussion about marshall's drinking and lack of focus during the tournament. just speaking about very good players with pretty good ROIs getting the majority of their expected profit in a long tournament with high monetary and time costs to the player but not the backers.

On May 28 2014 23:14 FrinkX wrote: Jealousy isn't the right word when I play higher stakes than u and have a far better life

for someone who has it so great, most would think you'd spend your time focusing on that rather than wasting your time trying to convince everyone how much better you have it.

i'm lucky to be in a good situation, i wouldn't have the audacity to try to rub that in others' faces especially if they weren't as lucky as me. i guess you don't really care about anything or anyone but yourself though.

I think it's pretty clear what has to be done here.
HU4Rollz

very interesting daut

On May 28 2014 23:13 FrinkX wrote: It's not personal anymore, has to do with u tricking the community into actually thinking ur a huge winner and selling off action as an irresponsible player. They deserve a fair warning If everyone knew what I knew I'd never post.

LOL @ frinkx ever accusing anyone of tricking someone into actually being a huge winner....... Poor peachy TGR

HU4roll


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On May 29 2014 18:11 LURPED wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2014 23:13 FrinkX wrote: It's not personal anymore, has to do with u tricking the community into actually thinking ur a huge winner and selling off action as an irresponsible player. They deserve a fair warning If everyone knew what I knew I'd never post. LOL @ frinkx ever accusing anyone of tricking someone into actually being a huge winner....... Poor peachy TGR

care to elaborate?

On May 29 2014 15:35 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2014 23:14 FrinkX wrote: Jealousy isn't the right word when I play higher stakes than u and have a far better life for someone who has it so great, most would think you'd spend your time focusing on that rather than wasting your time trying to convince everyone how much better you have it. i'm lucky to be in a good situation, i wouldn't have the audacity to try to rub that in others' faces especially if they weren't as lucky as me. i guess you don't really care about anything or anyone but yourself though.

I do spend my time on other things. I don't post here anymore and this post was pointed out to me. If I was trying to convince ppl how much better I have it I would have written details.

Audacity? I said nothing until you said I was jealous of YOU which infers I am jealous of your success. Funny part is all you do is post in your blog how amazing your life is, how much money u make, and all the "hot" girls you get. It's really amazing how stupid and insecure you are.

I'm done, my warning to all has been posted. Enjoy being the miserable pos you are.

LURPED sighting!

everything you said there is pretty huge exaggeration. regardless, the big difference is, this is my blog. i don't go and post any of this stuff anywhere else, you aren't required to read it. if someone sends you a link, that doesn't mean you are required to come post your negative opinions on it.

have you ever seen me post a comment in your blog? if i read someone's blog and don't like it, i ignore it. if i end up making a comment, it's almost always positive. you seem to have this need to come and try to perpetuate your negative mindset every time you post--it's really not appreciated.

Whoa,,,

Maturity battle at the LP lagoon

Marshall vs. FrinkX bo3 on Lost Temple Gamei.