How is noone excited Wobbly won like 50k yesterday - Page 9

The whole "everyone has its flaws so don't be quick to judge" thing is all fine and dandy, Benjamin, but no one is trying to reduce wobbly's person to one of his less attractive traits. It's just being pointed out. You don't need to be close to someone to express an opinion of a particular character trait, such as saying that they are a show-off and arrogant. You just need to have observed it having been demonstrated often. If I were to read a few years' worth of someone's personal journal without ever meeting him, I could quite easily understand a thing or two about his personality; no need for a close bond. It isn't a stretch to say that his posts and his blog give enough insight into his personality for this to be possible.

The very fact that so many people have given him the same criticism should be an indicator that there is truth to it. He can either choose to slowly come to terms with it, or deceive himself more like he just did a few posts ago by thinking that all the people offering the criticism are just secretly envious of him, which is just more evidence of his need to convince himself that he is superior to others. "Ah! He can only criticize me because he can't measure up. He only wishes he were me, but can't admit it." This is self-delusional behavior. He turns criticism into praise-denial by thinking that the 'hater' would praise him if he was honest with himself, and could admit to himself how truly great he is.

On February 04 2012 22:09 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 22:06 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 21:50 wobbly_au wrote: Thanks GoTuNk and ilbh !! You guys are why I still post here even with all this jealousy and hate. ^_^ Yes I prefer fans over haters~ Go ahead and call it an inferiority complex. But the reality is, I just like to be appreciated and looked up to for my hard work and for my passion for what i do everyday. "Few people have the wisdom to prefer the criticism that would do them good, to the praise that deceives them." - François de La Rochefoucauld I love to learn and i take constructive critisism well. But you have no creditations how the fuck can i trust a word you say? Especially since you dont know shit about my life to analyse this deeply, And how is their paise deceiving me? Dont use quotes at all if you cant use them in correct context.

I didn't analyze deeply at all. This is surface analysis stuff. I didn't go into what things in your childhood may have created the complex or anything like that. Nobody likes to be criticized about their personality, especially not the bigger flaws. I'm not asking for your trust, and I think your position is perfectly understandable; internet psychoanalysis is dubious. But you should learn to evaluate criticism properly, rather than just group it all under the 'hater' label which only serves to feed your ego, rather than opening the possibility to learn in order to become a better human being.

No context necessary for the quote, I used it properly since La Rochefoucauld saw all acts of praising as acts of flattery. I think the wiser a person is, the more indifferent to praise he is going to be.

"So long as men praise you, you can only be sure that you are not yet on your own true path but on someone else's."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

On February 04 2012 21:50 wobbly_au wrote: Thanks GoTuNk and ilbh !! You guys are why I still post here even with all this jealousy and hate. ^_^ Yes I prefer fans over haters~ Go ahead and call it an inferiority complex. But the reality is, I just like to be appreciated and looked up to for my hard work and for my passion for what i do everyday.

i definitely root for all LP guys to do well. i dont feel in competition with anyone here, no reason to root against anyone. always fun to see guys from here win huge

but what i really want more than anything is for wobbly to turn into a mega heel and just troll everyone incessantly

wobbly is the Nick Diaz of LP

On February 05 2012 03:16 whamm! wrote: wobbly is the Nick Diaz of LP

?????

It makes me sad this is the most responses I will probably ever get to a thread I post on LP. Considering I told everyone to appreciate everyone especially wobbly and it turns into a giant hate fest on everyone. Don't worry Wobbly I opened up three different threads today. Vital Myth is getting ripped apart in one, Raszi is getting ripped apart in another one, and Baal is getting ripped apart in another one. Fuck LP can't we all just support one another.

On February 04 2012 21:24 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 12:53 bigredhoss wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose   On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz   On February 04 2012 10:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah it does :O Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters. lemon i think loco's comment was referring to the way you phrased that guy's "healthy lifestyle" (saying that he cares about people and his family because they increase his long-term results in poker, rather than caring about those things because he's a halfway decent human being). i don't want to put words in his mouth but at least that was my reaction when i read it. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm amazed that Lemon looks up to that guy, what a joke. That's not 'care' for people, that's using people; it's avoiding to say the truth that they only have utilitarian value: "Please distract me for a while so that I get some nice dopamine levels to make sure I don't burn out at poker which is indefinitely more important to me than you guys are."

What's wrong with helping other people and making them happy because it makes me feel fulfilled? :O
Maybe I see the world from the view of an economist too much, but everything you do you do because it gives you utility, being it money, satisfaction, sense of fulfillment or higher serotonin uptake, whether you realize it or not.


I guess we can agree do disagree though, there are different views on life and no one of them is the true correct one (although confirmation bias will make you think otherwise)

On February 05 2012 07:57 rememp wrote: It makes me sad this is the most responses I will probably ever get to a thread I post on LP. Considering I told everyone to appreciate everyone especially wobbly and it turns into a giant hate fest on everyone. Don't worry Wobbly I opened up three different threads today. Vital Myth is getting ripped apart in one, Raszi is getting ripped apart in another one, and Baal is getting ripped apart in another one. Fuck LP can't we all just support one another.

Why does it make you sad, this forum is for entertainment purposes

I was exciteed and motivated thanks to wobbly, wanted to just go back to Peru inmediatly and crush HS alongside him , wp woobly

All my heroes left in the poker world are on LP or are inactive LP'ers. My earlier heroes showed themself to be scumbags (Phil Ivey etc)

Definitly root for wobbly, he was also nice enough to answer my pm's i sent him over the years seriously even thou he is a highstaker and im a nobody midstaker/lowstaker

On February 05 2012 00:08 Loco wrote: The whole "everyone has its flaws so don't be quick to judge" thing is all fine and dandy, Benjamin, but no one is trying to reduce wobbly's person to one of his less attractive traits. It's just being pointed out. You don't need to be close to someone to express an opinion of a particular character trait, such as saying that they are a show-off and arrogant. You just need to have observed it having been demonstrated often. If I were to read a few years' worth of someone's personal journal without ever meeting him, I could quite easily understand a thing or two about his personality; no need for a close bond. It isn't a stretch to say that his posts and his blog give enough insight into his personality for this to be possible. The very fact that so many people have given him the same criticism should be an indicator that there is truth to it. He can either choose to slowly come to terms with it, or deceive himself more like he just did a few posts ago by thinking that all the people offering the criticism are just secretly envious of him, which is just more evidence of his need to convince himself that he is superior to others. "Ah! He can only criticize me because he can't measure up. He only wishes he were me, but can't admit it." This is self-delusional behavior. He turns criticism into praise-denial by thinking that the 'hater' would praise him if he was honest with himself, and could admit to himself how truly great he is.

I'm sure some of that is somewhat true. I just hold the opinion that people's behavior on the internet is often markedly different than their behavior in real life. In addition to this most of the people bashing him are just joining the crowd like sheep. I doubt very many of them have gone to any effort to actually look at his posting history or examine his behavior. As Mark Twain once said, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect". A lot of people believe in Scientology, doesn't really lend and legitimacy to their opinions IMO.

On February 05 2012 12:48 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2012 00:08 Loco wrote: The whole "everyone has its flaws so don't be quick to judge" thing is all fine and dandy, Benjamin, but no one is trying to reduce wobbly's person to one of his less attractive traits. It's just being pointed out. You don't need to be close to someone to express an opinion of a particular character trait, such as saying that they are a show-off and arrogant. You just need to have observed it having been demonstrated often. If I were to read a few years' worth of someone's personal journal without ever meeting him, I could quite easily understand a thing or two about his personality; no need for a close bond. It isn't a stretch to say that his posts and his blog give enough insight into his personality for this to be possible. The very fact that so many people have given him the same criticism should be an indicator that there is truth to it. He can either choose to slowly come to terms with it, or deceive himself more like he just did a few posts ago by thinking that all the people offering the criticism are just secretly envious of him, which is just more evidence of his need to convince himself that he is superior to others. "Ah! He can only criticize me because he can't measure up. He only wishes he were me, but can't admit it." This is self-delusional behavior. He turns criticism into praise-denial by thinking that the 'hater' would praise him if he was honest with himself, and could admit to himself how truly great he is. I'm sure some of that is somewhat true. I just hold the opinion that people's behavior on the internet is often markedly different than their behavior in real life. In addition to this most of the people bashing him are just joining the crowd like sheep. I doubt very many of them have gone to any effort to actually look at his posting history or examine his behavior. As Mark Twain once said, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect". A lot of people believe in Scientology, doesn't really lend and legitimacy to their opinions IMO.

usually , people on the internet will do what they dont do in real life, so yea they act different, but in a way they act the same, just that in real life you would not go on bashing and acting like a psy to someone you barley know. Just like i doubt wobbly goes around telling strangers or people he barley knows that he's better then them and thats why he makes more money.

Everyone's acting arrogant, including daut and loco. But that's because the premise is arrogance, and everyone has some insecurities (except rekrul obv) and feel attacked. Wethere it's wobblys "im better then you" or Loco's "i know better then you".
IMO some interesting stuff, and hopefully no one's taking this too seriously.

<3 LP
Had to give my 2 cents, considering everyone is.

On February 04 2012 21:43 ilbh wrote: he can be a douchebag, but calling his gf a 3.5 and stuff like that is soooooooo low... also, poker players not deserving props? you forgot the talent, mental discipline, work ethics, people reads and everything else a good poker player needs to be succedded in the long run. it's probably one of the hardest professions out there. if you don't have nothing to say about him other than he is a douche, don't try too hard finding arguments. btw, I do admire him for his skills and how he is involved here, always posting blogs, hands and commentating about it. I don't see any problem if he brags or not, what's the big deal about it? why does it have to bother so much people like that? and his gf is cute, wtf... I'm a no one, but I had to give my 2 cents cause the things some people said about wobbly here is disgusting and immature...

this x1000

On February 03 2012 21:56 Zep wrote: The only thing I truly loved wobbly for was wobbly vs exhilarate. That hand will live on forever. lp gold.

You mean this one?

On February 05 2012 15:47 jeffv8x_-_16 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 21:56 Zep wrote: The only thing I truly loved wobbly for was wobbly vs exhilarate. That hand will live on forever. lp gold. You mean this one?

LOL funny thread. Missed this before. Thanks

11 clones of me would kill wobbly

On February 05 2012 09:47 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 21:24 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 12:53 bigredhoss wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose   On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz   On February 04 2012 10:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah it does :O Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters. lemon i think loco's comment was referring to the way you phrased that guy's "healthy lifestyle" (saying that he cares about people and his family because they increase his long-term results in poker, rather than caring about those things because he's a halfway decent human being). i don't want to put words in his mouth but at least that was my reaction when i read it. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm amazed that Lemon looks up to that guy, what a joke. That's not 'care' for people, that's using people; it's avoiding to say the truth that they only have utilitarian value: "Please distract me for a while so that I get some nice dopamine levels to make sure I don't burn out at poker which is indefinitely more important to me than you guys are." What's wrong with helping other people and making them happy because it makes me feel fulfilled? :O Maybe I see the world from the view of an economist too much, but everything you do you do because it gives you utility, being it money, satisfaction, sense of fulfillment or higher serotonin uptake, whether you realize it or not. I guess we can agree do disagree though, there are different views on life and no one of them is the true correct one (although confirmation bias will make you think otherwise)

It's not about agreeing to disagree... it's really about disapproval. I completely disapprove of your worldview and the way you treat others. "I'll do this because it gives me this". It reduces interpersonal relationships to shit. This world is really fucked in so many ways and the only place to start in fixing it is caring for others. And certainly when you reduce your motives in life to the state of your neurotransmitters and what will give you most satisfaction, you don't do that and you are not a model to follow from my perspective. I'm certainly not one of the people you could make happy. You might as well shoot heroin if the main purpose of life is to feel good. A good person often sacrifices for others, they don't always think in terms of what other people can give them. Yeah, I'm not going to deny that we are often unconsciously driven by self-interest, but when you consciously build your life around the premise that everything should be "+EV" or whatever the hell poker analogy you want to apply to your life, you really suck. My 2 cents.

On February 05 2012 13:37 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On February 05 2012 12:48 Bejamin1 wrote:   On February 05 2012 00:08 Loco wrote: The whole "everyone has its flaws so don't be quick to judge" thing is all fine and dandy, Benjamin, but no one is trying to reduce wobbly's person to one of his less attractive traits. It's just being pointed out. You don't need to be close to someone to express an opinion of a particular character trait, such as saying that they are a show-off and arrogant. You just need to have observed it having been demonstrated often. If I were to read a few years' worth of someone's personal journal without ever meeting him, I could quite easily understand a thing or two about his personality; no need for a close bond. It isn't a stretch to say that his posts and his blog give enough insight into his personality for this to be possible. The very fact that so many people have given him the same criticism should be an indicator that there is truth to it. He can either choose to slowly come to terms with it, or deceive himself more like he just did a few posts ago by thinking that all the people offering the criticism are just secretly envious of him, which is just more evidence of his need to convince himself that he is superior to others. "Ah! He can only criticize me because he can't measure up. He only wishes he were me, but can't admit it." This is self-delusional behavior. He turns criticism into praise-denial by thinking that the 'hater' would praise him if he was honest with himself, and could admit to himself how truly great he is. I'm sure some of that is somewhat true. I just hold the opinion that people's behavior on the internet is often markedly different than their behavior in real life. In addition to this most of the people bashing him are just joining the crowd like sheep. I doubt very many of them have gone to any effort to actually look at his posting history or examine his behavior. As Mark Twain once said, "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect". A lot of people believe in Scientology, doesn't really lend and legitimacy to their opinions IMO. usually , people on the internet will do what they dont do in real life, so yea they act different, but in a way they act the same, just that in real life you would not go on bashing and acting like a psy to someone you barley know. Just like i doubt wobbly goes around telling strangers or people he barley knows that he's better then them and thats why he makes more money. Everyone's acting arrogant, including daut and loco. But that's because the premise is arrogance, and everyone has some insecurities (except rekrul obv) and feel attacked. Wethere it's wobblys "im better then you" or Loco's "i know better then you". IMO some interesting stuff, and hopefully no one's taking this too seriously. <3 LP Had to give my 2 cents, considering everyone is.

I see what you mean, in many cases it is probably quite true that we criticize others' flaws to camouflage our own. But I'd say in this case it has more to do with "I'm in a better place to see it as it really is", because I am strictly an observer and not emotionally involved. I have no personal problem with wobbly, even though his personality does not appeal to me.

And in my case it's certainly true that I don't behave the same irl, but that's because I prioritize conflict avoidance. There's nothing I dislike more than being around people that are agitated.