How is noone excited Wobbly won like 50k yesterday - Page 8

solid thread -.-

You can usually view things literally for what they are or you can try to have a dual approach to the situation. On one hand you have the critisim of the whole community but on the other hand you have a talented poker players who needs nothing to prove. Their are far worse personalities online and in the poker then wobbly, and when speaking about personalities it really is the fabiric of the game, everybody is different but everyone has similar struggles. while I personally dont agree with wobbly's approach, people like him have a positive effect on the game, and while it may be difficiult to relate to him on a personal level we still follow his posts and hands with a level of interest. in poker when your on the top everyone wants to bring you down.

a cute boy struggling for acceptance

On February 04 2012 20:21 Rekrul wrote: a cute boy struggling for acceptance

maybe 3-4 years ago~~ mr washup

On February 04 2012 20:21 Rekrul wrote: a cute boy struggling for acceptance

To save this thread rekrul, can you tell us any stories about you partying with tasteless?? :D:D:D:D:D

On February 04 2012 12:30 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:44 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly. It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up. Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it. people have mentioned wobbly's insecurities a few times in this thread. insecurity is a sign of someone not thinking highly of himself but wanting to. i do believe wobbly has humility, but its not easy for his outward persona to show it if it has any ties to poker (a place where he doesnt have any insecurities). he definitely wants to be as powerful in all aspects of life as he is in poker, but i think its obvious he realizes hes not and is insecure about certain things. i think wobbly has a deeper well for humility than I do. im a jack of all trades kind of guy who prides himself at being "good" at everything, but im really not great at anything. and i really dont like to suck at anything. wobbly definitely sucks at some stuff and he knows it, so i think he has humility, just not when it comes to poker. whereas i have some humility from knowing there are going to be others out there that are better than me in every single aspect of life, but not a lot of humility because i think i am better than most people at almost everything. so i do think wobbly has room to be more humble and respectful of others, especially in poker, if he draws from other areas of life instead of drawing from poker first. wont be easy, but i do think hes capable i also think that a lot of the attacks in this thread are based on older things. wobbly has seemed nicer, more helpful, less arrogant and less of a braggart in the past ~8 months than he used to be. and i cant really blame him for resorting to his old ways in this specific thread. if for ~40 posts before I saw a thread everyone called me a shallow insecure asshole with an ugly girlfriend i cant say i would respond to well to it either.

I believe you are right when you say his behavior stems out of his insecurities, indicating a lack of self-esteem or namely an inferiority complex; but this doesn't mean that it gives him room to be humble, quite the opposite. A superiority complex doesn't allow for humbleness, since self-worth is generated outwardly, because it tries to compensate for the inferiority complex. It's its sole purpose. His conceitedness serves him, he needs it because he could not bear to look at who he really is without the false pride.

The basic Adlerian superiority complex says that "if we inquire into a superiority complex and study its continuity, we can always find a more or less hidden inferiority [feeling] complex. If a person is a show-off it is only because he feels inferior, because he does not feel strong enough to compete with others on the useful side of life. [...] A superiority complex is a second phase. It is a compensation for the inferiority [feeling] complex."

As for him behaving in a less arrogant way lately, etc., that may well be true, I'm not aware, but this is not an indication of true humbleness. Wobbly can come to accept his complex and try his best to appear humble, simply because it is the wise thing to do not to arouse antagonism, but his relationship towards himself and the way he sees others has stayed absolutely the same, and is not going to change, unless the superiority complex was to completely vanish.

humility is overrated btw, it's just a way to say to the world "well I'm still afraid I'll fuck up at some point". There's nothing impressively noble about self preservation (you might argue that some people never brag because they think they should be even better -that's a best case scenario). I'll try to reread this when I'm sober.

On February 04 2012 12:53 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose   On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz   On February 04 2012 10:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah it does :O Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters. lemon i think loco's comment was referring to the way you phrased that guy's "healthy lifestyle" (saying that he cares about people and his family because they increase his long-term results in poker, rather than caring about those things because he's a halfway decent human being). i don't want to put words in his mouth but at least that was my reaction when i read it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm amazed that Lemon looks up to that guy, what a joke. That's not 'care' for people, that's using people; it's avoiding to say the truth that they only have utilitarian value: "Please distract me for a while so that I get some nice dopamine levels to make sure I don't burn out at poker which is indefinitely more important to me than you guys are."

On February 04 2012 21:18 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 12:30 Daut wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:44 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly. It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up. Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it. people have mentioned wobbly's insecurities a few times in this thread. insecurity is a sign of someone not thinking highly of himself but wanting to. i do believe wobbly has humility, but its not easy for his outward persona to show it if it has any ties to poker (a place where he doesnt have any insecurities). he definitely wants to be as powerful in all aspects of life as he is in poker, but i think its obvious he realizes hes not and is insecure about certain things. i think wobbly has a deeper well for humility than I do. im a jack of all trades kind of guy who prides himself at being "good" at everything, but im really not great at anything. and i really dont like to suck at anything. wobbly definitely sucks at some stuff and he knows it, so i think he has humility, just not when it comes to poker. whereas i have some humility from knowing there are going to be others out there that are better than me in every single aspect of life, but not a lot of humility because i think i am better than most people at almost everything. so i do think wobbly has room to be more humble and respectful of others, especially in poker, if he draws from other areas of life instead of drawing from poker first. wont be easy, but i do think hes capable i also think that a lot of the attacks in this thread are based on older things. wobbly has seemed nicer, more helpful, less arrogant and less of a braggart in the past ~8 months than he used to be. and i cant really blame him for resorting to his old ways in this specific thread. if for ~40 posts before I saw a thread everyone called me a shallow insecure asshole with an ugly girlfriend i cant say i would respond to well to it either. I believe you are right when you say his behavior stems out of his insecurities, indicating a lack of self-esteem or namely an inferiority complex; but this doesn't mean that it gives him room to be humble, quite the opposite. A superiority complex doesn't allow for humbleness, since self-worth is generated outwardly, because it tries to compensate for the inferiority complex. It's its sole purpose. His conceitedness serves him, he needs it because he could not bear to look at who he really is without the false pride. The basic Adlerian superiority complex says that "if we inquire into a superiority complex and study its continuity, we can always find a more or less hidden inferiority [feeling] complex. If a person is a show-off it is only because he feels inferior, because he does not feel strong enough to compete with others on the useful side of life. [...] A superiority complex is a second phase. It is a compensation for the inferiority [feeling] complex." As for him behaving in a less arrogant way lately, etc., that may well be true, I'm not aware, but this is not an indication of true humbleness. Wobbly can come to accept his complex and try his best to appear humble, simply because it is the wise thing to do not to arouse antagonism, but his relationship towards himself and the way he sees others has stayed absolutely the same, and is not going to change, unless the superiority complex was to completely vanish.

I cant bare to look at my self ?? LOL wtf the fuck are u smoking?

Do you know anything about my life? Are you a fucking shrink? If your answer isnt yes to both then dont try to use your 1st year uni psy course to analyse me.

wobbly has developed his own LP persona and lives it up, i doubt he cares

and im sure he enjoys this thread alot no matter how much he gets psycho-lol-analyzed

On February 04 2012 13:03 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:44 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly. It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up. Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it. Most of what you say is awesome, I have no life, therfor I read a lot, this right here, it goes against 80% of what I've read on similar topics. We do not inherit personalities, we do not inherit our drives, we do not inhert our likes and dislikes. Have a great sense of certainty that this is flawed.

Well, I'm up to discuss whatever you've read that contradicts it. You're basically denying the presence (and immense force) of the unconscious here, as well as saying that we have some kind of free will to rewire our likes and aversions; we don't. You can do what you will, but you cannot will what you will. You have absolutely no choice to like what you like, you just do. Your personality's many developments do not owe it to your conscious self, these developments happen in the backstage, and you simply take notice of them and appropriate them to yourself.

Maybe you are just misinterpreting what I said to mean that these things are static. I do not mean that we inherit a basic personality and basic likes and dislikes that do not change. I am just saying that it is not within your conscious control to change them. Your (the Ego)'s very survival depends upon your being unaware of your own drives.

On February 04 2012 18:28 casinocasino wrote: You can usually view things literally for what they are or you can try to have a dual approach to the situation. On one hand you have the critisim of the whole community but on the other hand you have a talented poker players who needs nothing to prove. Their are far worse personalities online and in the poker then wobbly, and when speaking about personalities it really is the fabiric of the game, everybody is different but everyone has similar struggles. while I personally dont agree with wobbly's approach, people like him have a positive effect on the game, and while it may be difficiult to relate to him on a personal level we still follow his posts and hands with a level of interest. in life when your on the top everyone wants to bring you down.

fyp
I don't get all this hate on wobbly, among "poker players" there is a shitload of people who offer coaching without being good at the game, people who is arrogant and sucks, people who steal money and don't honour contracts, many of which have been part of lp, and you (not the poster, I mean in geral) are picking on a guy that is sick good at this game because he comes off as arrogant on smth he is really good at?

he can be a douchebag, but calling his gf a 3.5 and stuff like that is soooooooo low...

also, poker players not deserving props? you forgot the talent, mental discipline, work ethics, people reads and everything else a good poker player needs to be succedded in the long run. it's probably one of the hardest professions out there.

if you don't have nothing to say about him other than he is a douche, don't try too hard finding arguments.

btw, I do admire him for his skills and how he is involved here, always posting blogs, hands and commentating about it. I don't see any problem if he brags or not, what's the big deal about it? why does it have to bother so much people like that? and his gf is cute, wtf...

I'm a no one, but I had to give my 2 cents cause the things some people said about wobbly here is disgusting and immature...

Thanks GoTuNk and ilbh !! You guys are why I still post here even with all this jealousy and hate.

^_^

Yes I prefer fans over haters~ Go ahead and call it an inferiority complex. But the reality is, I just like to be appreciated and looked up to for my hard work and for my passion for what i do everyday.

On February 04 2012 13:24 Night2o1 wrote: Outward humbleness is different from an internal-looking view of humility. It is possible to be a humble narcissist. To be humble is a social behaviour. Synonyms for Humility: lowliness, meekness, submissiveness. Synonyms for Humbleness: unpretending, unpretentious. Then again, both of these words have multiple meanings. Just thought it'd be some food for thought.. Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. I disagree with your assessment that people can't and don't change their world-view and/or behaviour as time passes. I have seen it in myself.

"Outward humbleness is different from an internal-looking view of humility. It is possible to be a humble narcissist. To be humble is a social behaviour."

Oh, wow, we're just using very different definitions here. I'm just using it as the opposite of being prideful, or not attributing excessive value towards one's own accomplishments. You can be prideful on your own, no need for an audience.

Well, if you want to look at it like this then I agree, it is entirely possible, and that's what I was saying: It's possible for him to appear less prideful and be less arrogant, but not to entertain a different relationship with others internally, i.e., the removal of the necessity to compare himself to others and see himself as the better one. His arrogance and conceit stays, he can just try to make sure it doesn't show itself too much, or at all, which we'll say is 'being humble', when in fact it is quite dishonest, aka false modesty. If you think of yourself as superior but present yourself differently, you want to deceive them.

As for the change in worldview I'm certainly not saying this is not possible. I'm only saying we do not directly will such a thing. Behavior can be, because there is a conscious process behind our actions, but the underlying drives, what really compels you to act as you do, cannot be.

On February 04 2012 21:50 wobbly_au wrote: Thanks GoTuNk and ilbh !! You guys are why I still post here even with all this jealousy and hate. ^_^ Yes I prefer fans over haters~ Go ahead and call it an inferiority complex. But the reality is, I just like to be appreciated and looked up to for my hard work and for my passion for what i do everyday.

"Few people have the wisdom to prefer the criticism that would do them good, to the praise that deceives them."
- François de La Rochefoucauld

On February 04 2012 22:06 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 21:50 wobbly_au wrote: Thanks GoTuNk and ilbh !! You guys are why I still post here even with all this jealousy and hate. ^_^ Yes I prefer fans over haters~ Go ahead and call it an inferiority complex. But the reality is, I just like to be appreciated and looked up to for my hard work and for my passion for what i do everyday. "Few people have the wisdom to prefer the criticism that would do them good, to the praise that deceives them." - François de La Rochefoucauld

I love to learn and i take constructive critisism well. But you have no creditations how the fuck can i trust a word you say? Especially since you dont know shit about my life to analyse this deeply,

And how is their paise deceiving me? Dont use quotes at all if you cant use them in correct context.

lolwut this thread still going? Not that anyone would care about a random poll on page 3, but I'd switch my vote to "LP Hero" now, sorry for calling you a faggot wobbly, I just think the word sounds funny. Also I thought everyone would be voting "LP Hero" so I had to change it up.

Wobbly, some people may perceive your posts as douchey, but I prefer to view them as more confident with a tinge of dry humor. I like ya bud, if that counts for anything

Praise is only a deception if it's unearned. Wobbly has achieved legitimate success in poker worthy of praise. I've never met him personally so I won't comment on his character. I will however say if you've never met someone in person I doubt you know the first thing about them or are in any position to judge them. Most people probably only share a close bond with 5-10 people in their entire life. It's easy to pick up a few surface details and form a snap judgment. We all do that on a daily basis. The reality is though how many people posting in this thread actually have any knowledge about Wobbly as a person or have any legitimate reason to judge him. I'm thinking not many. Get off the moral high horses already. I've certainly said dickish things on the internet to people I didn't know or care about before, didn't really define me as a person in any legitimate way either.