PokerStars VIP system to undergo drastic changes, players to lose even 60% of rakeback!!

PokerStars, by mistake, released an official post on their Russian site that informs players about upcoming changes to the VIP system on the poker room. The post have been already taken down, but players managed to copy it and Google managed to index it(links at the end of this article) in its cache as well. Let's get straight to the point: the changes are drastic (eg. complete removal of SuperNova Elite), and the highest raking players are going to earn even 40-60% less from VIP club.

"We have always believed that poker - a game that is played for fun and competition. However, in the past few years, VIP-Club awards have become so seductive that we unintentionally started to influence why and how people play." - starts the information from PokerStars.

First of all PokerStars introduced VIP Steps instead of regular VIP points (the beta of this program is already live in UK) which already gives a significant money to the operator.
However, the new changes are drastic:
– Complete removal of SuperNova Elite starting from January 2017r
– No VPP points at all in No Limit & Pot Limit games with blinds 5$-10$ and higher
– No VPP points at all in Mix 8 games with blinds 10$-20$ and higher
– No VPP points at all in Fixed Limit with blinds 10$-15$ and higher
– Earning 200,000 VPP points give a maximum rakeback of 30%
– Platinum Star rewards going down by approx 5%
– Bronze Star and Silver Star won't feel much difference (between points being harder to earn because of VIP steps being introduced)
– Chrome Star prizes go up around 10%
– SuperNova players will see reduced rakeback from 0% all the way to 27%
– complete removal of FPP – instead of those PokerStars will introduce „Star Coins” worth 0.01$ each (all the FPPs are going to be exchange at 1.2:1 ratio)

Despite the original post being taken down, you can view the google cache of Russian version here and translated English version under this link!!

What do you think about the changes?

So nobody gets any advantage compared to the previous system except the poker room

amaya is about about profit, they dont care about the regs, regs are their enemies as they cashout
in the perfect world for the company, players deposit and keep playing until the money is diluted in rake and nobody cashes out

so in the near future, online poker is going to become a big lottery where its impossible to be a winner in longterm

On November 01 2015 14:36 drone666 wrote: amaya is about about profit, they dont care about the regs, regs are their enemies as they cashout in the perfect world for the company, players deposit and keep playing until the money is diluted in rake and nobody cashes out so in the near future, online poker is going to become a big lottery where its impossible to be a winner in longterm

I'm not sure this is such a good idea long term. Part of why poker worked so well is because of the stories of people winning a lot of money at it. I myself convinced a few people to play it, who themselves convinced some people to play it, etc. I think winners is very healthy for poker.

companies need to show increasing profits/dividends quarter by quarter each year so no excuses they need to show more profit in a market thats close to being on its last legs in comparison to what it once was. It's just going to get worse.

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Now time for HU regs to post:

HAHA.
ALL YOU GRINDERS SUFFER, YOU DESTROY THE GAME. YOU PLAY ROBOT STYLE, DONT TALK TO RECS, MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE PLAYING WITH BOTS, NOT GIVING THEM FUN, BERATING THEM.

U DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR MONEY TAKEN, YOU JUST CLICK BUTTONS FAST SO THAT YOU MAKE MORE RAKE.


Hope that helps for your perspective.

Its live on english site:
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/co...ed-pokerstars-experience-158887.shtml

• In recognition of the players who have already-earned SupernovaElite status or will by the end of the year, the benefits cap for players who earn Supernova Elite in 2015 will be 45% in 2016.
- lol, people who raked 170k in 2015 are getting screwed already.

Our intention is to expand these restrictions through major changes within our own software that we will communicate in more detail through 2016.

Expect the ends of huds in 2016?

link to twoplustwo shitstorm thread pls?

nvm posted here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/...ker/2016-pokerstars-vip-club-1568814/

the moment this happens is the moment pokerstars hangs itself as the picture above states :D
first couple of months will suck balls for people that don't play on PS as there are almost no russians on other sites and russians are probably the best regs atm

On November 01 2015 14:11 ClouD87 wrote: So nobody gets any advantage compared to the previous system except the poker room

"Chrome Star prizes go up around 10%" seems pretty fair to me.

I wonder if we remember (remember) that last year at this time we protested with a mass sit out on the 5th of November.

On November 01 2015 16:53 MadeInPolanD wrote: Now time for HU regs to post: HAHA. ALL YOU GRINDERS SUFFER, YOU DESTROY THE GAME. YOU PLAY ROBOT STYLE, DONT TALK TO FISH, MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE PLAYING WITH BOTS, NOT GIVING THEM FUN, BERATING THEM. U DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR MONEY TAKEN, YOU JUST CLICK BUTTONS FAST SO THAT YOU MAKE MORE RAKE. Hope that helps for your perspective.

lol

On November 01 2015 14:36 drone666 wrote: amaya is about about profit, they dont care about the regs, regs are their enemies as they cashout in the perfect world for the company, players deposit and keep playing until the money is diluted in rake and nobody cashes out so in the near future, online poker is going to become a big lottery where its impossible to be a winner in longterm

Next change: PS removes cashout button.

"We have always believed that poker - a game that is played for fun and competition. However, in the past few years, VIP-Club awards have become so seductive that we unintentionally started to influence why and how people play."

Total fucking bullshit.

"lol relax, everything is the same"
-baal, ps shill

im a rec player so thanks PS, more money for recs

Baal knows this is beyond fked up. But if he wants to keep his job its a good idea to keep silent on the issue. I have no problem with that.. the struggle is real.

Baal, comment?

im sure they will fix it a lot don't overreact until things are done

On November 01 2015 23:32 env0y_nl wrote: im a rec player so thanks PS, more money for recs

I can tell you are rec by your understanding of the situation. You are not getting more money you are getting less.

On November 01 2015 23:48 handbanana21 wrote: Baal knows this is beyond fked up. But if he wants to keep his job its a good idea to keep silent on the issue. I have no problem with that.. the struggle is real.

Given this history of slashing and cuts, how long do you think they will pay him to do nothing?

He found a way to get paid. If you want someone to stick up for the people go after the big dogs who dont need the sponsorship money. i.e negreanu

On November 02 2015 04:03 handbanana21 wrote: He found a way to get paid. If you want someone to stick up for the people go after the big dogs who dont need the sponsorship money. i.e negreanu

negreanu getting laid into on twitter ^_^

On November 01 2015 23:58 EvilSky wrote: Baal, comment?

On November 02 2015 02:38 diggerflopboat wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2015 23:32 env0y_nl wrote: im a rec player so thanks PS, more money for recs I can tell you are rec by your understanding of the situation. You are not getting more money you are getting less.

you sure talk alot dude, you cant judge my understanding in 1 sentence, who are you? tell me how do i get less money as a rec player?

Its a difficult spot, first of all I am more affected than pretty much any of you by these changes, and believe me I understand perfectly how you guys feel.

That being said if I've learned anything in the last few years as part of PokerStars (and in general) is to not judge so quickly, these decisions are not taken lightly and I don't remotely have all the facts and considerations for this decision.

So in this self-proclaimed ignorance I hope that that the future shows that these were positive changes for the poker economy.

On November 02 2015 03:28 diggerflopboat wrote: how long do you think they will pay him to do nothing?

Id like to think I do a bit more than nothing -.-

ban baal

negreanu trolling hard

On November 02 2015 09:34 env0y_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2015 02:38 diggerflopboat wrote:   On November 01 2015 23:32 env0y_nl wrote: im a rec player so thanks PS, more money for recs I can tell you are rec by your understanding of the situation. You are not getting more money you are getting less. you sure talk alot dude, you cant judge my understanding in 1 sentence, who are you? tell me how do i get less money as a rec player?

I can judge your understanding in 1 bet size. The timing of 1 click. Your avatar. Your game selection, your fb profile, the emoticon you choose, you name it.

There is a poster on 2p2, with an avatar of the simpsons dog with its tongue out. This poster is posting all of these serious threads laughing at the players. Laughing at the best and brightest players in the world who are saying this is terrible for the game, deceitful, greedy, malicious etc.

You don't want to be that one person,going around with your pants down telling people you don't understand, and making fun of others that DO UNDERSTAND.

If you destroy the ecosystem EVERYONE LOSES. It is very very simple. There is no math that is going to show that all of the best players in the world cannot make monies playing pokerz yet the worst players all of a sudden can.

Think!

On November 01 2015 21:19 ggplz wrote: "We have always believed that poker - a game that is played for fun and competition. However, in the past few years, VIP-Club awards have become so seductive that we unintentionally started to influence why and how people play." Total fucking bullshit.

haven't i read on this forum about breakeven russians who just grind SNE and make a living off the rewards though

On November 02 2015 10:23 AndrewSong wrote: ban baal

On November 02 2015 04:03 handbanana21 wrote: He found a way to get paid. If you want someone to stick up for the people go after the big dogs who dont need the sponsorship money. i.e negreanu

disagree, its part of his job as a face of the company to take the heat. htou most ppl are joking here

that said, negranu is such a tool its unbearable. bold ass-cunt midget

On November 02 2015 10:23 AndrewSong wrote: ban baal

On November 02 2015 21:03 dogmeat wrote:

Cause you can't breach what was not there in the first place

Must suck for RB pros if there are any left, they just keep changing it for the worse all these years. How much is left from circa 2008 vip program like 5% probably

:o thats quite some changes

i m scared :|

I wudnt put too much weight in what that retard has to say, he's the proud owner of a social network called tiltbook
video is worth watchin lol

This is why I have no respect for any 2p2 mod or the owners:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=48559697&postcount=447

"+1 you multi tabling button clicking rakeback accountants...the dream is over, back to mums basement lol "

Some numb nuts with a idiot dog profile, just consistently posting complete garbage when there is a significant dialogue going on. Surprised no one mentions how far 2p2 has slid.

Also surprised no one has boldly pointed out that stars has jumped the shark, amaya,...they took on a multi billion dollar debt and there is no hope of paying it back. The players are fighting a ghost. I don't know how long it will take us to see this.

A huge part of ex-USSR countries poker community is about to protest by stop playing online and ignore PCA and other offline events somehow connected with pokerstars, since new chages are set up. I'm in, even tho i only play around 300k hands/yr at ps. The more people join this, the worse consequences for amaya will be.

Great moment to create your own online poker room btw

On November 03 2015 13:23 okyougosu wrote: Great moment to create your own online poker room btw

It is impossible for me to explain the extent of what I am presenting. Over the last year we have been creating a revolution for poker based on a manifesto posted under the title &quot;ideal poker&quot; https://www.scribd.com/doc/224948379/Ideal-Poker

Ideal Poker a piece of art created with John Nash's lecture &quot;ideal money&quot; that calls for a money printing revolution. Both revolutions are upon us, and we are just now waking up to it.

I cannot begin to describe the work that has gone behind this project, but instead all I can do is link you to a blog that explains it in it's entirety: http://thewealthofchips.wordpress.com/

The blog is extremely dense, there are literally 100's of linking papers explaining the entire extent of the revolution. We ask pros and players to join in and learn what is going on http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...oker-not-over-just-beginning-1487504/

The players have started screaming for a solution to the problems they have with the economics and regulations of the game, and unbeknownst to them the solution has been completed defined expanded and explained under the manifesto &quot;ideal poker&quot; and the blog &quot;thewealthofchips&quot;.

This is a CALL!!!

ouch.. at first glance that looks like a very significant price hike. i feel for my boys still in the game. hope things work out okay somehow.

On November 02 2015 09:45 Baalim wrote: Its a difficult spot, first of all I am more affected than pretty much any of you by these changes, and believe me I understand perfectly how you guys feel. That being said if I've learned anything in the last few years as part of PokerStars (and in general) is to not judge so quickly, these decisions are not taken lightly and I don't remotely have all the facts and considerations for this decision. So in this self-proclaimed ignorance I hope that that the future shows that these were positive changes for the poker economy.

Curious to see what happens as well, but for it to be net positive for the "poker economy" (by which I assume you mean how viable it is to make a living) then the positive effects of disincentivised regs exiting have to outweigh the (large) negative effects of money leaving the system much faster. Does that not sound overwhelmingly unlikely? Firstly it's quite hard to leave overnight since finding some alternative good use of your time takes a lot of time/effort, and secondly even if disproportionate regs leave making games better than they were pre price-hike, how long do you think that situation can last before new regs or new bots see the attractive conditions and pile in?

On November 03 2015 13:25 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2015 13:23 okyougosu wrote: Great moment to create your own online poker room btw It is impossible for me to explain the extent of what I am presenting. Over the last year we have been creating a revolution for poker based on a manifesto posted under the title "ideal poker" https://www.scribd.com/doc/224948379/Ideal-Poker Ideal Poker a piece of art created with John Nash's lecture "ideal money" that calls for a money printing revolution. Both revolutions are upon us, and we are just now waking up to it. I cannot begin to describe the work that has gone behind this project, but instead all I can do is link you to a blog that explains it in it's entirety: http://thewealthofchips.wordpress.com/ The blog is extremely dense, there are literally 100's of linking papers explaining the entire extent of the revolution. We ask pros and players to join in and learn what is going on http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...oker-not-over-just-beginning-1487504/ The players have started screaming for a solution to the problems they have with the economics and regulations of the game, and unbeknownst to them the solution has been completed defined expanded and explained under the manifesto "ideal poker" and the blog "thewealthofchips". This is a CALL!!!

A+

the most insane thing is 5-10+ no rakeback

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=48562186&postcount=607

1. We build a simple website (Wordpress or Wix) where people can read our agenda. This is much better to share on social media than a 2p2 thread with hundreds of comments (some of them amazingly well thought-out and we can just take sections from them to the website). 2. We create a logo to put everywhere, from 2p2 profiles to twitter profiles to PokerStars Avatars. Preferably with the website address embedded 3. We launch a massive social media campaign. Many players have huge followings on social media and can spread the message far and wide. I'm not talking only about twitter, but also twitch, facebook, other poker forums and poker training sites. We can speak much, much louder than Stars. 4. We assign a committee of highly-respected players to discuss a healthier future for Poker with Amaya

I've taken this far further. On a first glance my works might look empty, but its not. I have already canvassed the best player projects in the world, and found the best developers. I developed our union, I design our revolution, I re designed the entire structure and economy of the game, I planned the bootstrapping of our tele com network. I know who all the top devs are in regards to a p2p poker. I extended the entire economic argument so we can understand and support the change

Poker has evolved as an extension of our banking system and so having the same flaws in its economy/eco system it also has the same solution. Players are looking for a way to cooperate but unfortunately when it comes to understanding what is going on Ansky and Galfond and all these players are just tools. They have been teaching players to rape the game with no fore thought of what they are doing.

who wants to listen to an hour long rant by Ansky who admittedly didn't even speak out last year when Amaya was doing the same thing. Joey asked him if he had a solution "uhhh no."

amaya has inherited a debt based business. Much like our money that is printed. They are going to run poker into the ground, I Have been pointing this out since they took over (even before!). These "pros" are idiots. We are beyond time to argue back. Amaya doesn't care about poker, they have debts to pay and all they wanted was the customer data, customer accessibility, and the payment profile.

It is so frustrating, watching these pros like galfond sell out our game. So frustrating watching players like DNeg and Baal sell the players bullshit.

HOW DO YOU SOLVE THE KEYNESIAN BANKING CRISIS?
Idiots.

On November 03 2015 15:10 handbanana21 wrote: A+

I always forget to mention, but this is all connected to @rextar4444 on twitter as well (Ideal Poker).

rip huds? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...ne-poker-report/bye-bye-huds-1568908/

Damn, my heart goes out to all the rakeback grinders.

Sooooo... where are all the grinders going to move to now? moving forward with these changes means grinders have no other option but to take business elsewhere right? im sure stars/ftp planned about the shitstorm that was to ensue afterwards and gave no fucks.

do they really have that much of a monopoly of the market where they can make these moves? bovada has 0 rakeback and shit drawings but USA players are limited with their options anyway.