1 thing i know is that he 3bet my utg too light, with TT+. Im not sure enough to discount TT from his range here though

Given the action preflop, doesn't he also have a bunch of suited tens here?

blockbet?

On February 05 2012 00:03 GoTuNk wrote: blockbet?

this.. or for a 100 bbs i would check shove river, lots of 10x hands here, not sure if he would call your turn bet with A5 or 56s or some shit. only problem is 22, if you say he 3bet lite ur raise with 1010 its possible cuz multiway. but for 100bbs just another cooler if he had 22s, nice catch on river if he had 108s tho.

Small valuebet that he'll feel committed to call with Tx and fold to a raise?

i think betting is your only option. whether calling or folding to a raise would depend how i feel the last 10 seconds in the time bank in a spot like that. lol

hmm, as tight as this sounds, I think it's a ch-f

How can you not shove here?

check so villain can bet half pot with T9s and fold so he can say he longple'd you.

I think you are up against tt and 22 very often here, he certainly squuezes jj+ in this spot from my experience. I think you can b/f here like 1/3 to half pot

i check folded.

isnt JD17111 and fantastic cow being 175bb+ deep with villain an important consideration here?

you might want to consider an alternative line if youre gonna b/b/cf this river

On February 05 2012 05:16 EvilSky wrote: you might want to consider an alternative line if youre gonna b/b/cf this river

what line would you recommend and why?

my point is it doesnt make sense to bet for value on the flop and turn and when the brickest of bricks comes on the river to c/f, if you thought there was value to be had on the flop and turn and the river changes absolutely nothing to do a 180 and c/f... do you see what I mean?

hmm yeah i see what you mean. i guess i could bet flop, then c/c turn and get value from possible floats, and maybe some worse hands.

i would usualy bet/check-call/check-call or bet/check and if he checks bet, and vs some players bet/bet/bet fold. i like EvilSky's explanation.

Am I living in a twilight world?

How is this not a bet/bet/shove like always?

????

spoke to longple and he likes the bet/bet/ blockbet $30 line the best.

blockbet is better than c/f because there is a small chance that he could actually shove JJ on river if checked to.


i don't like river shove, my range is too strong, it's difficult for someone to call with worse. also people do not call flop with 99 and worse. Worst they call with is probably 56suited.

On February 05 2012 08:00 Twisted wrote: Am I living in a twilight world? How is this not a bet/bet/shove like always? ????

my guess is that it's 4way on flop, there are no real draws and we have what it seems like we have vs a good (?) opponent
edit: cool post count =P

Im pretty sure longple was just trolling you ^^

Anyway agreed with Twisted, pretty std bbb or bbshove if stacks allow it, I mean like how happy are you about bluffing this river when you have like 6s7s?

blockbetting is stupid. no idea how one of the worst moves in poker is somehow gaining popularity

against this superstandard reg i wouldnt with stroggos image jamm here, its stupid, he will snapfold AT

by blockbetting really small he will never in a 450$ pot turn a hand like JTs-ATs into a bluff for such a cheap price, and by checking we dont know if he is turning Tx into a bluff or not, probably not. But by blockbetting we know for sure, no chance in hell he will jamm with KTs over a 30$ bet and he never floats this board with QJ spades fpor example, he never has air, he always have a boat, 56/A5 spades or Txs here

so blockbetting/folding imo against a standard reg that thinks ur a standard reg without haveing special history in spots like this i dont see why u should not blockbet instead of just check/folding, or even worse checkcalling or jamming

wtf guys

for future dynamic its not hard to adjust to something like this, u can for example make cheap bluffs against a villain like this on the river in simular situations when u haev a draw and only want him to fold stronger draws and even herofold some weak pairs/toppairs if he seen u take lines like that with overpairs

and etc etc etc just standardly adjust to rare situation information

if i had quad fives here aswell its not bad betting small like 1/4 1/5 pot or something here, to get crycalls frfom Tx and he will shove his boats anyways

FOR EXAMPLE its not like its a unbalanced play and that he is knowing that u will blockbet/fold here T_T

he will probably feel the complete different like its obvious that ur valuebetting and that its an induceing bet and that its obvious he is turning a hand into a bluff (if he has T9s for example)

so u can be pretty sure this villain never will bluffraise ur blockbet here, ever

notice he is UTG and its a 4way flop big Cbet and turnbet -_- opening in CO here or if its a HU flop, or even 3way, makes a shove much more standard

thinking with stroggos standard UTG range+image 4way flop 3 barreling here looks pretty darn strong imo, everything except 56s+ here for villain is a bluffcatcher, and i dont think islamdunk is superstoked about bluffcatching against stroggos on the river, he prolly has Tx spades almost always here, and have the easiest riverfold in history of poker against a jamm, or has a boat and we're just wasteing money on jamming the river turning our hand kinda faceup for him to make a perfect decision with his range, folding all weaker and calling all stronger.

Imo i would rank it, for stroggos image/situation here (in a vacuum kinda)

1 blockbet
2 check/fold
3 jamm

Do you blockbet 30 with all your missed draws too? Having KK and quads isnt really balancing -.-