Full Tilt Poker Game #26236486413: Table Wisteria (6 max, ante, deep) - $0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:39:18 ET - 2010/12/08
Seat 1: mike69811 ($381.50)
Seat 2: favre4bandit ($330.60)
Seat 3: thechr4sh ($242.20)
Seat 4: Bounce3 ($134.15)
Seat 5: Night2o11 ($235.40)
Seat 6: BDigity ($100)
Night2o11 antes $0.20
favre4bandit antes $0.20
thechr4sh antes $0.20
Bounce3 antes $0.20
mike69811 antes $0.20
BDigity antes $0.20
BDigity posts the small blind of $0.50
mike69811 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5
thechr4sh has 15 seconds left to act
thechr4sh bets $6
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 raises to $18
thechr4sh has 15 seconds left to act
thechr4sh calls $12
thechr4sh has 15 seconds left to act
thechr4sh bets $42
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 raises to $125
thechr4sh has 15 seconds left to act
thechr4sh has requested TIME
thechr4sh calls $83
Showdown Night2o11 shows a straight, King high
thechr4sh shows a flush, Ten high
thechr4sh wins the pot ($292.70) with a flush, Ten high
Summary Total pot $295.70 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: mike69811 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: favre4bandit folded before the Flop
Seat 3: thechr4sh showed and won ($292.70) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 4: Bounce3 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Night2o11 (button) showed and lost with a straight, King high
Seat 6: BDigity (small blind) folded before the Flop
On December 08 2010 19:00 CrownRoyal wrote:
i dont mind his play if ur the right opponent :D
id rejam though i think
How can u think opponents call on river is correct play ?
He has the freakin nutz
dont see how he cant jam it in
Which hand might he possibly face that beats him ?
the way it is played it has exactly to be KQc or KJc ?
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
Last edit: 08/12/2010 20:24
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PanoRaMa United States. Dec 08 2010 20:28. Posts 1655
not to mention the fact that 87cc isnt even close to being the absolute nuts, it's also far from being the relative nuts as well. what are you trying to town after a river pot bet, a raise to that bet, and then a jam over that?
once night raises river there's no way that jamming can be a good play without some crazy, opponent-situational dynamic. It's possible night shouldn't even be raising river. edit: and by that i mean to say it's pretty thin although it prob still is +EV
On December 08 2010 19:28 PanoRaMa wrote:
not to mention the fact that 87cc isnt even close to being the absolute nuts, it's also far from being the relative nuts as well. what are you trying to town after a river pot bet, a raise to that bet, and then a jam over that?
once night raises river there's no way that jamming can be a good play without some crazy, opponent-situational dynamic. It's possible night shouldn't even be raising river. edit: and by that i mean to say it's pretty thin although it prob still is +EV
On December 08 2010 19:28 PanoRaMa wrote:
not to mention the fact that 87cc isnt even close to being the absolute nuts, it's also far from being the relative nuts as well. what are you trying to town after a river pot bet, a raise to that bet, and then a jam over that?
once night raises river there's no way that jamming can be a good play without some crazy, opponent-situational dynamic. It's possible night shouldn't even be raising river. edit: and by that i mean to say it's pretty thin although it prob still is +EV
k
Guess i am just a degen and this spot is one of the reasons i never really made it beyond NL100 6max ^^
if i had 8c7c on that river i d assume i am good here always T_T
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
On December 08 2010 19:28 PanoRaMa wrote:
not to mention the fact that 87cc isnt even close to being the absolute nuts, it's also far from being the relative nuts as well. what are you trying to town after a river pot bet, a raise to that bet, and then a jam over that?
once night raises river there's no way that jamming can be a good play without some crazy, opponent-situational dynamic. It's possible night shouldn't even be raising river. edit: and by that i mean to say it's pretty thin although it prob still is +EV
k
Guess i am just a degen and this spot is one of the reasons i never really made it beyond NL100 6max ^^
if i had 8c7c on that river i d assume i am good here always T_T
Yes, you are good almost always, but it doesnt mean that jamming is EV+. You are not getting called by many hands that you beat. Hence it's more "Am I getting called by worse more than 50 % of the time here If I jam?" - Probably no. And even if it's marginal good, variance will be a bitch.
Last edit: 08/12/2010 21:45
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Maynard! United States. Dec 08 2010 22:22. Posts 4453
GO to Thailand. I hear the whores there accept skanksky bucks.
bluffing is fine, but here ur hand has a lot of value, why do you turn it into a bluff?
It's not even heads up I don't think you can ever have a dynamic that would make your raise with QJo here good, esp on NL100
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terrybunny19240 United States. Dec 08 2010 22:44. Posts 13829
I see how it looks pretty strong from me but I am not sure why you are so sure I am overrepping my hand? Can't villain posses a set or KT when he leads river?
It does seem this guy doesn't pay any attention to my image or the fact that I raise a lot of flops now that I see his 87ss (since this would mean he has to think I have a set or AK+ since he thought he had implied odds), but this is hindsight for this particular hand.. I noted it for the future tho
Last edit: 08/12/2010 22:47
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vlseph United States. Dec 08 2010 23:06. Posts 3026
yeah villain can have a set or KT, but how often is he going to pot/fold river with those hands?
The only hands a nit balances in his range are the nuts, the second nuts, and the third nuts.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Dec 08 2010 23:44. Posts 7499
On December 08 2010 21:40 Fayth wrote:
bluffing is fine, but here ur hand has a lot of value, why do you turn it into a bluff?
It's not even heads up I don't think you can ever have a dynamic that would make your raise with QJo here good, esp on NL100
verse people who have any idea what they are doing id agree. villian called a raise oop on the flop with a gutshot. i think a river raise is probably slightly +ev
though id make it like 100 instead of 125.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
came to post but say some people finally gave you good advice. this QJ raise on river is very very thin or a spew. It looks a lot like you hit a backdoor flush so lots of strong kings are going to fold, there are no other lower straights, basically you are either getting called by a calling station or by a slow played set/flush, he has like 9ish combos of flushes, 9 combos of sets. You will get about 6 combos of flushes after you raise flop and sets will slowplay at best 3/5 of time, so 5 combos. So if he isn't a calling station you are bluffing and if he is a herospewtard maybe break even and a complete donk than thin value.
That doesn't take into account of any betting tells (which this scenario probably has one)
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
Last edit: 10/12/2010 00:54
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terrybunny19240 United States. Dec 10 2010 15:53. Posts 13829
a flush, Ten high
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