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Fox . Apr 18 2008 10:39. Posts 3110 | | |
Ok lets start with UFC 83!
Matt Serra Vs. Georges St. Pierre
Ahhh just want to start off by saying i think Keanu and myself are the only people in this entire universe who even give serra any credit at all. Serra is one of my fav fighters. He's like the only really good bjj fighter that i know who has incredible power in his hands an in his clinch (bj being the other i guess).
Do i think serra's win over gsp was a fluke? Somewhat. I mean gsp got caught and serra finished him. That being said the fight is not a 10 to 1 like they had it last time. Serra has incredible tools and baring a huge spinningbackfast to the brain serra is nearly impossible to finish. He's got so many tools to finish fights but he's going against a guy who's basically not from earth. But what's funny is mentally serra is far far far more prepared then gsp is. Here's the deal. WHen GSP first fought hughes, he was dominating him and was never in trouble until he went for the kimura then when they fought again gsp already knew he could take hughes he just had to be careful. Against serra he was never in an advantage. Before serra caught him with a huge shot serra was already landing a few right straights. SO i think gsp could be mindjobbed about this. While serra knows he's the underdog again but doesn't care.
Another thing to mention is while GSP dominates wrestlers does he dominate bjj artists? I'll say this once. From there back serra is like a shitton way more dangerous then trigg, hughes, sherk, basically everyone. The only person who comes close to serra on his back is mayhem and even then serra is better fitted to take on gsp cuz of his power.
This fight ends with gsp finishing serra by strikes or a decision. Serra has a chance to win this, but gsp is just so inhuman that if he shows up he basically can beat anyone. There is no fighter like gsp.. maybe a crocop or bj penn that if they show up 100% they are 2nd to none.
Travis Lutter Vs. Rich Franklin
This fight is really great. I'm very excited about this because i have yet to see someone with a very good ground game battle Rich. Travis will get the takedown at one point unless Rich pulls a boring long game and then we'll see if Rich can survive. I think Rich vs Jason was a good measure on this one. Rich stuffed all of jason's takedowns and never got to the ground. I think Rich has good tkd defense but agains lutter i don't think he can hold him off forver. Although Rich has a far far far superior gas tank so i think Rich wins this late 3 round or decision.
Nathan Quarry Vs. Kalib Starnes
Kalib is a better fighter then nate plain and simple. But Kalib is also a crybaby who gives up super easy while Nathan can get his nose broke and still stalked Rich. If kalib can't dominate him early then nathan may squeeze a decision out because Kalib might weep his way into a submission 3rd round.
Charles McCarthy Vs. Michael Bisping
McCarthy has a very good ground game. That being said he has the mental focus of a potatoe and bisping eats potatoes so like yeah.. bisbing by frying mcarthy's head and eating it with ketchup. Bisping shoudl win this but McCarthy will look good on the ground early.
Mark Bocek Vs. Mac Danzig
Have you seen who Mac trains with. Mac by tko.
Joe Doerksen Vs. Jason MacDonald
Jason has a long body, long reach, good skills and yet loses to everyone who's got an ounce of talent. This fight is gonna be boring at beast Jason wins by triangle.
Jason Day Vs. Alan Belcher
I think this will be the sleeper fight of the night. Both guys have great skills and finish fights. I think this will be back and forth with Jason winning by strikes.
Ed Herman Vs. Demian Maia
Rofl this is like me vs pooruser/straate/CTS/etc/etc basically every single good high end player all using their power together in HU. It starts with me posting my blinds and ends with me getting my ass run over and me waking up the next day with an empty roll and a sore ass. Yet somehow my nails were done and my clothes were ironed. PU is such a hero.
In any case Ed is a good wrestler and can bang who trains with quest. Not bad he also got subbed by jason when he had top position. Maia has beaten both JACARE AND GONZAGA IN BJJ AND IS THE BEST 185 GRAPPLER IN THE WORLD WHO IS JUST AS GOOD AT JUDO AS BJJ MEANING HIS CLINCH AND TAKEDOWNS ARE PRETTY DAM GOOD AS WELL. EDITED. JACARE PROBABLY BETTER BUT MAIA IS GODLY!
aka Maia wins by flying body triangle causing Ed to explode. Only hope ed has is to sprawl and brawl but Maia's takedowns are really good so ed will basically be murdered.
Rich Clementi Vs. Sam Stout
I'm a huge rich fan. He's won me a lot of bets and this is no exception. I think rich wins this via submission or decision. Close fight though Sam is a tough dude.
Brad Morris Vs. Cain Velasquez
Cain is from AKA end of story he wins by whatever.
Kuniyoshi Hironaka Vs. Jonathan Goulet
Goulet is the most recognizable can in the history of mma. Kuni by can crushing.
Ok so now that's done. To talk about something that i got into a conversation with Naz. I was telling him how footwork is a HUGE reason why some fighters are super good and can do things that other fighters can't.
Anderson silva has probably the best footwork and probably head movement of any fighter in mma. It's a reason he hits everyone whenever he wants and everyone misses him.
If you watch him vs leben. Leben has average footwork (probably at the level of matt hughes) and watch as anderson is baiting him and bouncing to a spot before lebens fist even gets there and anderson is already throwing a shot. Also anderson has long arms so if he's ever out of position he just throws a long jab and it keeps everyone at bay.
The only other fighters who have footwork who are probably close to anderson's level are Jens pulver and Gomi. Igor is also on that list but he's retired now. Notice the three guys i mentioned have retared power. The If you want you can try this.. do a one two. Which means throw a jab and follow up with a right. The correct way to throw the right is to twist your body to get your back into the punch. Try to hit something and see how strong your right is. Now start over and just try to hit the same target as hard as you can with just your right hand. You may not notice it but you've stepped into the punch with your right foot. 50$ that when you did the one/two you didn't step in with your right foot. That's an example of footwork. Stepping in gives you additional power. It's slower and really hard to do with a standard one/two but that's why some guys can generate power and others can't. Guys like anderson/gomi/pulver/igor will explode and step in at the rigth times and deliver crushing blows. Other times they just keep the shots compact, but they both know when to deliver what shot. The shot that gomi put on azeredo is perfect footwork. Steps in on both shots and it's a reason he knocks him into a coma.
Now the problem is if you step in too hard when you throw a right you put yourself off balance if you miss and you could get in bad trouble. Which is why most mma fighters try not to overthrow shots. You probably look a sherk and go "god he's so huge he should have retarded power!" he has great footwork but he's always doing it to setup takedowns and defend against takedowns so all his strikes are compact and fast. He doesn't want to put his full body behind it because it puts him out of position.
Winging a huge shot can generate power but if you step in you put your body into it then you add weight to the punch giving you knockout power. Look at guys like Melvin guilard who generate huge power. They knock people out cold. But they also are getting taken down left and right because against a good mmaer they miss one shot and they are hugely out of position.
Guys like anderson/gomi only use power shots when the opportunity presents itself. They use good technical strikes to wear down on an opponent. Then when the opponent is running away, is out of position, or wahtever. Step in and BAM. Huge shot. But they aren't constantly flinging monster shots all the time like a guilard.
The reason i wanted to bring this up is because a lot of people see certain fighters and doesn't understand why he can't hit harder or why this guy hits REALLY hard. It's all in technique/footwork combined with strength. I bet you a lot that sherk can hit harder then jens pulver on a bag if he wanted to but pulver will ko more guys because he's got better footwork and will be in better positions to hit someone and sherk doesn't look for the standing knockouts.
Other fighters who have good footwork for striking or grappling. GSP, BJ penn, Rampage(so good), Tim Sylvia (yes haha), Andre Arlovski, Kid yamamoto, to name a few.
It's also not a suprise that those guys are some of the best fighters in the world.
anyway yeah :D
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nicksson Sweden. Apr 18 2008 11:10. Posts 4662 | | |
I think Franklin will win pretty easy |
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I'm a bit confused when people starting throwing the term "world class bjj fighter" to every bjj fighter that fights in the ufc. Is there a difference between different black belts if they all know the same techniques/skills/strategies? |
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NotSorry United States. Apr 18 2008 11:42. Posts 2603 | | |
Bets on Franklin, Starnes and Danzig.
GSP vs Serra I hope GSP breaks his jaw. |
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Fraser Canada. Apr 18 2008 12:02. Posts 4605 | | |
Serras kind of a dumbass, but he seems like an alright guy. |
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Fox . Apr 18 2008 12:19. Posts 3110 | | |
| | On April 18 2008 10:27 hkbubbletea wrote:
I'm a bit confused when people starting throwing the term "world class bjj fighter" to every bjj fighter that fights in the ufc. Is there a difference between different black belts if they all know the same techniques/skills/strategies? |
yeah there is a major difference in black belt.
if you got a black belt from renzo gracie or caeser gracie you are a freaking hero.
Maia is world world class. He's probably for straight bjj skill for mma usage Maia is probably #1.
Jacare is probably next closest. Marcelo Garcia who's probably the better BJJer in bjj/grappling has a bad style for mma type things. X-gaurd armdrags aren't really that useful in mma. |
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| | On April 18 2008 11:19 Fox wrote:
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On April 18 2008 10:27 hkbubbletea wrote:
I'm a bit confused when people starting throwing the term "world class bjj fighter" to every bjj fighter that fights in the ufc. Is there a difference between different black belts if they all know the same techniques/skills/strategies? |
yeah there is a major difference in black belt.
if you got a black belt from renzo gracie or caeser gracie you are a freaking hero.
Maia is world world class. He's probably for straight bjj skill for mma usage Maia is probably #1.
Jacare is probably next closest. Marcelo Garcia who's probably the better BJJer in bjj/grappling has a bad style for mma type things. X-gaurd armdrags aren't really that useful in mma.
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Okay that makes a little more sense, so like it depends on who you are learning form cause their styles tend to differ with their personalities and such. If you graduate with a black belt from world reknown bjj practitioners then I guess people recognizing you at the same level should be about right.
I heard that caesar gracie's bjj is grappling without the gi (the karate uniform I think) and is the most suited for mma, is that true? |
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Fox . Apr 18 2008 13:46. Posts 3110 | | |
yes very true.
jake shields who has his black belt from caeser is probably the best top position fighter at 170. He's a threat to gsp for sure if he was able to get top position. I wouldn't say caeser's is best suited for mma. Renzo's technique and mastery of the basics are so useful for mma as well. I wouldn't know who to choose to be honest but those two guys are tops for mma black belt holders.
It's more about who's the better trainer not who's just better. Roger Gracie has a complete mastery of the basics and technique. He does nothing special he just does all the right things perfectly and makes zero mistakes. However if it was a choice between him or Renzo. I'd learn from renzo easily.
All top level black belts though train no gi and with gi now a days. |
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Daut  United States. Apr 18 2008 16:09. Posts 8955 | | |
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