Grinding roulette

take a statistics class i guess

Do you know a lot of poker players that made their money from getting it in behind all the time?

how do you grind out -EV spots..?
I've never read anything about casinos forcing winners to keep their bet there for the next spin when it comes to roulette, but even if they do, isnt that just them trying to push their effective infinite bankroll edge by forcing individuals to martingale?

It's real easy to beat Roulette. Just play for a short term and get lucky. Maybe you'll perform +27 STD from the mean.

Actually I've learned statistics for 2 years while was in the college, but I think If you want to level it to pure theory you should use some sort of mathematics, but that's not the reason to make this post.It's calculated long ago that you lose in the long term with around 2%, so playing "by the book" in the best way should make you lose 2% of your starting bankroll in the long run.I'm asking about some real life experience and seeking the opinion mostly of people who have tried or want to try this.I have my ideas and I'm willing to talk about if anyone is really into it.

I am not posting this to argue so this is my last post about this theme that is not concerned with actual opinions of people who share the same idea as me.So to some of the post above - I have seen many time people losing pots in 80% to 20% odss or even greater and yes - this is the part of the game which make a lot of people to think that poker is a game of luck and not skills.The way you get through when this happen is with slef control and a good bankroll management which allows you to stay in the game while the luck is beating you.This is pretty much the way I want to look at roulette - yes there is luck involved and there is not such thing as premium bets as there's premium hands in poker, but still the odds being so close to even makes me think that maybe it's worth it to think about this even for a little before throwing the idea away.
There are many factor that are proven by the practice even though they have no theoretical foundation which I think makes this game beatable, but It's useless to try to explain something to someone who has already make his mind so I'll appreciate opinions of pople who actually are interested in this.You can also PM me if you want to discuss more in depth about this.
And finally - I know roulette pros - people who make living playing roulette, but am not close to them, but still the fact that such people exists is one more great reason to think about this.
- Leron

Send a PM to Phil Ivey

wait not roulette, dice, sorry

The onlyway I know how to beat roulette is.......finding casino that sucks at changing up their machines and some you can find a bias weight + a throwers bias. Pretty hard for that to happen but

unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2%

"And finally - I know roulette pros - people who make living playing roulette"

is this a level? todays april 3. you are late 2 days.

unless you are a sick luckbox you cant possibly beat a game where every bet you make is a -EV one.

On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2%

doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%?

assuming you play an infinite number of times.

Problem with roulette is you are putting money into a -EV long run situation. If you plan on say betting on red and doubling that to make up for what you lost and doubling that etc etc in order to keep breaking even with slight profits you have to keep in mind that there will always be a risk of ruin. Although the chance will be smaller depending on your bankroll size, there is always the chance you will go bust because you can't beat the house.

ive always wondering whats are all thos weirdos doing with their notebook, in my local casino. Tons of numbers weird graph and shits and a tons of chips waiting for the "right" moment to bet.
To me its just some random bums believing they could have an edge but who knows ^^
Worst idea ever imo
Waitig your all day for a tiny glimmering dont worth it i thnik

I love how people think they can gain an edge at a game like roulette tracking previous spins, with a pencil and chart provided by the casino.

Its strange they don't provide any tools to help keep the count in blackjack.

On April 03 2011 03:12 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2% doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%? assuming you play an infinite number of times.

interesting, i actually have no idea how to figure out the answer though

Assume martingale + inf br + you quit when you're up, yah I suppose theoretically that would be +ev right?

On April 03 2011 04:43 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 03:12 joLin wrote:   On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2% doesnt having an infinite bankroll make it impossible to overcome the 2%? assuming you play an infinite number of times. interesting, i actually have no idea how to figure out the answer though

well if you play infinitely with an infinite bankroll your result will tend towards expectation, so itd be -ev.

When you shove all-in preflop with KK or lower you always start with bad odds because there's always chance to face AA, but you still keep on shoving big PP, because you hope that there will be times when you'll be against a weaker hand, maybe try to look at roluette the same way, you actually don't know what will come at the end and there's no chance to be sure during the bet that you will win, but yet you know that you play according your bankroll and that you have enogh money to wait for the moment when you get it.I'm not trying to persuade someone that playing roulette is a good thing but all these comment make me think that actually noone of you has actually tried to think in deeer level about the game and yet again my post was for those of you who eventually did think or see a reason to give it a try.Anyways, I'm thankful for all your comments, hope that soon will prove you wrong or go bust, whatever comes first

This thread is amazing!

LsDDeaDD, can you actually outline:
1) Do you believe it's actually +ev to play roulette?
2) Do you want to play it longterm/grind it or book a win and quit?
3) what is your system for winning, can you let us in your secret? Like you flip when you lose you flip 3x more until you win or sth?

Assuming infinite bankroll, no upper bound for the amounts you can bet and assuming the casino will pay you your winning however large it is, any game where you have positive winning probability is beatable. As gawd mentioned it's called martingale betting strategy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

Other than that OP is obviously trolling.

On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2%

imo there are better ways to spend an infinite bankroll

even if you had infinite bankroll you still couldn't win because you can't make a profit above infinity /trollface

On April 03 2011 06:12 boreHM wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 02:57 CrownRoyal wrote: unless your bankroll is infinity no system will overcome that 2% imo there are better ways to spend an infinite bankroll

like infinite hookers and blow?

yes, but still you are 48% to 52% underdog which don't sounds unbeatable to me

On April 03 2011 05:55 LsDDeaD wrote: When you shove all-in preflop with KK or lower you always start with bad odds because there's always chance to face AA, but you still keep on shoving big PP, because you hope that there will be times when you'll be against a weaker hand, maybe try to look at roluette the same way, you actually don't know what will come at the end and there's no chance to be sure during the bet that you will win, but yet you know that you play according your bankroll and that you have enogh money to wait for the moment when you get it.I'm not trying to persuade someone that playing roulette is a good thing but all these comment make me think that actually noone of you has actually tried to think in deeer level about the game and yet again my post was for those of you who eventually did think or see a reason to give it a try.Anyways, I'm thankful for all your comments, hope that soon will prove you wrong or go bust, whatever comes first

You need to stop deluding yourself poker is a skill game, roulette is entirely gambling end of! You can't beat the game unless you have a supercomputer figuring out the physics while at the casino which is banned.

this must be a troll blog

On April 03 2011 05:55 LsDDeaD wrote:When you shove all-in preflop with KK or lower you always start with bad odds because there's always chance to face AA...

OMG what a flawed way of thinking ...
When i shove KK i have a insane hughe positive expectation cause the one time they might have AA doesnt even play a role when the have AK,QQ,JJ,AQ so much more often

lol whats wrong with u

Hm i am down ~ -500€ lifetime in roulette
cause i thought in shortterm results its a good chance i might win some
but then that fucking red came 8 times in a row >-<
rigged ^^

the thing about losing 2% bankroll longterm is wrong, its that you lose 2% of every spin you bet on

and other than that, great reads, 5 star blog ! keep us posted

also, if your bankroll is infinity, you can make back your losses in a (countably?) infinite amount of time by doing that thing, uhh, i forgot, um, martingaleing it back or whatever, .. or can you? i dunno. i think so tho :O i should read a book

GG, HF, no re Thanks for all your comments, from here on I'll discuss this subject with the people who has PMed me.Hope you had fun with this tread.
- Leron

You're obviously leveling people.

However just in case you're actually serious you're perhaps the dumbest fucking person ever born. Do yourself a favour and just hang yourself now.

On April 03 2011 13:47 Bejamin1 wrote: You're obviously leveling people. However just in case you're actually serious you're perhaps the dumbest fucking person ever born. Do yourself a favour and just hang yourself now.

+1