NL50 FR video - Page 2

chobopoker i play 3/6 6-max but i should probably move back to 50NL :[

northface i made this movie cuz there was a request for a low stakes full ring video, so i said i'd make one when i got back home

plus it's probably not a good idea for me to make a 3/6 6-max video for my own sake. i wouldn't mind doing 1/2 or .5/1 but i don't need to give away extra information to the people i'm playing against, i'm already struggling enough there

and loco i'm not even going to bother responding -.-

Poker, I enjoyed the information in regards to putting people on ranges, when its "fair" to call them.. Shit even though you prob finished in the negative.. The information (not hands) I learned from it were well worth the 1 hr video.. Anymore coming out anytime?

i liked it

NL50 at stars, full ring, is a very tight game


ok they make many mistakes but their basic style of play is still very tight

and the way to beat a tight game is to loosen up

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There are two kinda opponents for 50nl players
1)fuckin donkey callers
2)tight aggressive players

You should play tight and really aggressive against group one and aause there are many many people in group 1 you shouldn't play against group 2! Thats how easy it is.

I disagree capaneo.. the majority of the fullstacks are tight-passive


tight aggressive players are very rare on 50nl full ring stars. And the "donkey callers" are often shortstacks who are playing too loose but not as much as you may think

if anybody is interested, my stats from this session:
233 hands
-$73.70 Net
-31.63 ptbb/100 (winrate)
21.89 VPIP (% of hands i play)
15.88 PFR (% of hands i raise)
total AF = 3.29 (pretty aggro)

what stat tracker are you using? I have poker-spy but it doesnt really show my own stats, just what people have been playing etc..

pokertracker

it costs about $50 or something, get it if you're playing NL50+

Wow, That was quite an interesting video. I'm a Micro stakes player and I found some of that quite helpfull. (Conceptually, anyway) Thanks for making this video.

i really enjoyed it and took your advice

good stuff

Just a question regarding playing style, what are the optimal style(s)?

i feel bad for everyone who is going to start playing like this full ring
the ONLY way this is profitable is if you have a serious,major edge on everyone. It's a lot harder to play solid loose-aggro than tight-passive/aggressive or w/e. Especially full ring.

Today though I played loose aggressive for the second time at NL 50 and I must say if you do it well it's very good but I knew when to let go of hands and i had solid reads on people and i was cont betting the right flops and pulling 2nd or third barrels successfully.

PITF in your video you were only cont betting the flop and letting it go on the turn or the river, which is standard.What i realized is that most NL 50 players ALWAYS call cont bets on the flop and expect you to check the turn if you were cont betting so you got to fire again and they fold like 75% + of the time, i tested the theory today and it worked well.

Optimal styles?

if you play full ring obviously grinding most table possible playing tight/aggressive

if you play 6max loose-aggressive

if you want to make maximum profit at micro limits or NL 50 full ring just play solid positional poker, only play loose in late position and try to raise hands with potential not just any two cards on the CO or the button. Try to show bluffs when you do so. (EX: you raise 8d Td on the button you get a caller and you cont bet the flop and he folds) show this , some of them will think you play those hands a lot and they won't realize you are only doing it in late position to steal the blinds

also obv u gotta adapt to the tableplayers, if the BB is a calling station you should not raise suited junk on the button because you know hes calling..

also like PITF mentionned in his video which is very important is to make the correct raises. don't be scared to overbet when your out of position alwaysssssssssssss raise more.

Some NL 50 donkeys will always raise 3x or 4x the BB no matter the limpers and there position which is just so awful. It's basic stuff to raise more OOP to take it down right now and raise less in position

loco:

it is certainly more difficult to play a semi-loose aggressive style (which is basically what i was playing) than a tight passive style (which is generally what is taught for low limit players), but not only is it tremendously more profitable in the long run, it also will tremendously improve you as a player MUCH faster than you would improve if you played a very tight passive style. anybody can play a tight passive style and play his cards straightforwardly and setmine and all that shit at 25NL or 400NL, it's all the same and you'll probably still profit. the question is will you be maximizing your potential profit and at the same time improve your skills to give yourself the potential to move up and play higher stakes and beat bigger games. learning the game playing your own 2 cards face up is much more difficult because it takes much longer, and does not put as much stress on the player (you) as would a looser style which would FORCE you to internalize concepts such as position, betting amounts, betting patterns, to recognize opponents, pick up reads, etc.

i don't believe you're correct about MOST players always calling your continuation bets, although there are some players who have this tendencies, which you should take notes on. if you see any of these players, then yes, you should be two-barreling, but generally against these weak-tights just a flop bet should be enough to win a vast majority of the pots.

also, showing your bluffs or showing that you are making loose raises is actually a really really bad idea. one, because you are trying to play a very minimalist semi-loose style, so you're playing usually 9-12 tables at once. if you are consciously taking an extra step to attempt to portray a loose aggressive style, you will get a LOT of action and all of your tables will require a lot more thought and difficult decision-making, which is going to kill your multi-tabling capabilities. although on a table-by-table basis, if you play optimally, what loco suggests will actually indeed make you more money by conveying a VERY loose image and encouraging people to play back at you, it's far too difficult to play with such an image on 12 tables at once against a bunch of idiots. just check the automuck and make it easier for yourself, although it's important that this style present you with difficult decisions and teach you about image and position and all that stuff, you don't need to unnecessarily drown yourself with difficult spots; just make it easier for yourself.

also, if you are on the button and the big blind is a loose passive, then you are absolutely wrong. if you know that if you raise 4bb on the button and the big blind will call every time, then it's an enormously +EV play with any two cards, so you should be WIDENING your range, not tightening it up. you tighten up your range because when you get called you want to be able to make a hand with your cards, ideally if they folded every single time then you'd raise everything on the button. so, in this situation raise anything remotely playable on the button and play hard against the big blind and make him pay for not surrendering his poor position and poor hand preflop.

unless, of course, the big blind is a MANIAC, in which case, yes, you want to tighten up your range and raise anything that can make a decent draw or good top pair hand and play it very fast against him. but that doesn't happen too often.

i didnt say a loose player.. i said a calling station which will call you pre flop and almost certainly on the flop too putting you in a tough situation. Like you said if i'm playing 12 tables I don't have time to be messing around with this kind of guy. I understand what you are saying and agree with most of it but I just want you to realize what you are trying to teach these people here. You are an experienced NL 400 and NL600 6max player, you can't just make a video and explain a couple things and make them play like you do. It's just a lot simpler to recommend a safer style to people instead of showing them how to play loose aggressive in full ring