turning pro

I've talked to u before about tilt, you really need to get that under control before you can call yourself a true professional imo. But you'll get it back, the question is just how long will it take you, and a lot of that is under your control as well. I'm gonna be out of the country for a week but after I come back we can do sweat sessions etc. if u want

ouch

Sweat sessions would be great...I'm bleeding a ton without showdown and not sure what I'm doing wrong

wow thats ugly . variance can be such a bitch

hmm so if you ran at perfect EV you'd be just barley over break-even...
Tilt is a horrible thing, I remember way back in the day (many years ago) when I would lose a week's worth of profit because of a really bad session or two, I made it a #1 priority to get that under control and never let myself tilt, you gotta fix that or you'll never be much of a winner, there's really no logical reason to not always play minimum your A- game

Think I'll take tomorrow off and start new on Saturday with a 2.5bi stop loss on my sessions

stop loss is not the cure (although it's not a bad idea).. you have to change your psychology towards losing hands, otherwise you are almost garunteed to repeat your mistakes. Whenever you lose 3-4 hands in a row how do you feel, remember those feelings - ask yourself why do I feel like this, what does this mean, what can I do to change or improve my mood.

I ask myself tons of questions during sessions about myself and my opponents (stuff like what are they thinking, what do they think of be based of what they have seen so far, what can I do to best exploit them based of recent observations etc...), I find the better quality of questions I ask the better answers I come up with

making a change stop loss starting tomorrow @ 2.5bi isn't gonna change your long term results all of a sudden, that's amost like looking for an excuse to continue playing without actaully improving anything

Thx for the advice TT feel like usually after coolers and suckouts my usual thought that starts is "here we go again" then I just kinda sink into a robotic semi upset mode of poker which loses me tons. Didn't use to feel like that but ever since my horrible ds in febuary I havnt been able to shake it. Lots come from the fact that I have been gettin coolered so often or sucked out on that instead of being happy when I get it in good my thought is "how am I gonna lose this one" also I never ever expect to win pre when if I go all in which is discouraging...plus my tilt leads to me doing a bunch of call flop and turn then fold river or call down thinking "there's no way I'm beat again" when I am so I lose more. I'll spend the next few days working on my mental mindset or at least tryin to get it to change. Hopefully will get it back tithe mindset I had in November before to long.

:<

TT is smart tho listen to that shit :D

A few days off to do fun things non-poker related are always the best cure for a run-bad.

Also dont be so hard on yourself. Saying shit like if Y doesnt happen im gonna do X. Just sets you up for failure.

personally one of the psychological things that gets me messed up is feeling like i'm entitled to win a big pot when i get AA KK etc preflop, and it tilts me when i dont get "what i deserve"

well that's a simplified version of my mindset but it gets the point across

TalentedTom always gives such good advice

be thankful ur actually slightly above EV, i see some people's graphs with ur results PLUS a shitty ev line to top it all off

i took some time off cashed out most of my money left me with 20 buy-ns for 100NL and took some coaching to fix my errors worked 100% good!

just say shit happends fix your leaks and learn that you suck and you got to stop playing reckless like you are takes time to get ovr it and start getting confidence but you will i have pass this before and i think people here know i made a thread long time ago and i took there advices 100% and trust me you talking to a improve MeaL Now i say wow i sucked bad before.! Now i am getting better result in the long.

On July 16 2010 00:09 palak wrote: and the entire year, was in school for the first 5 months

i spot a pattern in that graph

wow damn man, what happend at around 47k? -_-

geeze i hate this expression
''going pro''
i live from it and im not a fucking pro
-.-

ya you are..

On July 16 2010 09:55 joLin wrote: ya you are..

does he have any bracelets??

try tightening preflop range

Although a stop loss isn't going to change your fundamental problems. it's definitely going to help you reduce the damage the current you will do to your bankroll until you can get it fixed. I implemented a stoploss of around ~3 buyins last summer. and allowed myself up to 5 buyins only if it was blatantly obvious that the games were just too good to pass up (ie some fish just jammed 58o for 200bb's and sucked out vs my AK or something)

This helped my winrate tremendously and I started to get great longterm results. Eventually you'll have to build up your tilt resistance to just more than a few stacks of suck outs but damn it helps not to spew off 2-3 stacks per session.

One piece of advice I can give you for tilt management is if say you have one really bad session of 500-1k hands or something. Just stop immediately, go for a run, hit the gym, or something for however long to cool you off (although not too long cuz that'll just cut your overall productivity too much if you just never play during bad runs) then try again when you have your head on straight. Even earlier this month i've had multiple -5 to -10 buyins sessions to start my day but stopping, resting and then coming back to own really helps you.

Once you get a good rhythm going the results start to speak for themselves. Hang in there. you've only played ~90k or so hands so far this year. very easy to be losing/break even over a small sample like that.

Also I'll be more than willing to swap sweat sessions with you. pm me if you're interested. Although I'm mostly a full ring player nowdays I'm sure the input we can give to each other will still be valuable.

TalentedTom FTW!