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we need to have a chat sir...

Maybe I have some tips, think I was around 4,5BB/100 over 70k samplesize on that limit.

Make sure you do what you can do to play your best, by that I mean, eat/sleep right, focus when you play. Everything turned off, just poker, breath, have water, never longer than 60-90 minute sessions. 3-4 Tables, nothing more, and just think, use 5-6 sec each hand even if it's easy. Then it starts to make sense, and it's easy to get a nit to fold if he missed, easy to not go crazy with JJ, TT, AQ, vs people who are from early poss who play tight, easier to valuebet fish, easy to let go of medium/strong hands when the fish suddenly re raise you on the turn, things just makes sense and it's a lot easier.

Study The Poker Blueprint, just redo it, use a few days, study it, read it, take notes, then go over easy game volume 1,2. And if you're annoyed at the regulars, read Crushing Mid Stakes regular. Also, siiick small sample size, just play x4 as much as you are now, or put in x4 as much poker, by that, studying, reading, reviewing hands, whatever, that counts as well.

Maybe most important thing when playing, table selection, atleast 1 fish, find/spot the fish on each table, and target them, go out of your way to target them, don't share the fish, if a fish is in the pot, and so is a regular, raise, iso, whatever, if a fish raise pre, 3b, just do whatever you can to be in pots with fish as often as you can. It does wonders for your winrate. Just find out how much you can iso to all the different fish, and valuebet, find out if they fold to c bet if they miss or call down no matter what, and have that note on them, and just keep doing it.

Vs Regs, just surprise them, or confuse them, 3b smaller, or larger, if you check to a preflop raiser, he c bets, you call, lead out turn, just do something weird and they get confused and want to see what's up. Vs 80% of the other ppl, the fishes and bad ppl, just valuebet and fold if raised, if it's one of them spastic fishes, who limp and call a lot, but make weird aggro lines, raises, or shoves that doesn't make sense, those you can call light.

Can't say too much about the stats, because that doesn't matter, if you have 2 tight ppl behind, every single co and btn, just open, free money, if u get 3b, or played back at a lot, either leave the table, or tighten ur range a lot.

Ok, a bit of a rant, hope any of it helps, gl hf xD

3-4 Tables, nothing more, and just think, use 5-6 sec each hand even if it's easythis. like seriously, take the time for your decisions.

1) this will make your opponents think youre not mindlessly cbetting every flop
2)this will give you the possibility to think about the rest of the hand: what if i get raised, what cards are good to barrel on etc
3) itll give u time to think about your betsizing. it does not make sense to bet 2/3rd pot every fucking time. sometimes youre better off betting smaller to get thin value, or to get people to spazz at you
4) itll give you time to think about what your opponent is doing: why does he donk the river, why does he raise the flop and is he doing it mostly with valuehands or not

etc

FR nut peddle for a bit? Take a break for a month or two?

On May 14 2010 19:52 Cooperstown83 wrote: FR nut peddle for a bit? Take a break for a month or two?

On May 14 2010 19:15 r0mx0 wrote: $2/$4 PLH SH 305 $-1,397 -57.26 $39 $13 Dec 22nd, 2009 $2/$4 NLH SH 4,457 $-946 -2.65 $527 $174 Dec 22nd, 2009 $1/$2 NLH HU 2,299 $-1,071 -11.65 $136 $45 Feb 27th, 2010 PTR graph > seems to me like u win some money and move up higher and loose , what BRM do u use ? 50+ bi would help a lot

his current problem is completely different from what u think.
after being a solid winner at NL100 and Nl200 he started losing
and it never stopped ... now he is down to NL25

The only thing I can say here is that I'm going to be rooting for your return to form Terren

I think he changed his game when he started losing, I don't know for sure, but if he's 3B% is 4%, not much of a stats guy, but isn't the standard around 8% on 100nl, 200nl

Maybe he's started to cut corners cos he can't take the losing, maybe giving up +EV spot to avoid losing ? like uhm, AK, instead of 4B/shoving, he just calls, hope to hit and release ? I dunno, might be something

thanks mariuslol that is a really good post.. I keep trying to do some things like this but not following through long enough. Really need to.

what are you doing wrong?

if you can answer this question, you can answer your first question. hint: fix whatever's wrong.

if you are having trouble identifying what's wrong, then you are either playing too many tables or being VERY stubborn, or both. ANY time you lose a pot, try to determine what you could have done differently, to either save money or win the pot. you'll eventually notice patterns, if you actually take the time and put in the effort to pay attention. spend time playing 1 or 2 tables, focusing on what's right and what's not, what lines you have or haven't considered, and work on changing your game accordingly.

this is what i really hate about ptr. fucking site reminds you of how bad you've been doing, before it just used to be " it'll turn around" and it really does in time. that fucking site just shows you how insurmountable in $ it is when you move down. my advice to you is, don't be like me and keep looking at PTR how much love lost for the past 2 years lol.

go back to cake for a while

drop down to NL 5 and feel like a boss. Then go back up when the confidence is back.

Hey i just finished going through a 20 bi downswing, and one of the things that helped me get out of the rut was teaching someone while you session. So have your brother, gf, a friend, anyone, watch you play while you session, and teach them poker. Explain to them why your doing what your doing, why one play is better than the other, and even though this might get kinda distracting it helps you (or at least helped me) rebuild a your game. Another thing is you'll be much less likely to tilt with someone sitting there that your teaching.

gl

well this is probably a bad advice but what I do is if I'm losing i'll sit there till i'm back up >.> yea bad idea but it works for me lol

On May 15 2010 04:21 Jhyun88 wrote: well this is probably a bad advice but what I do is if I'm losing i'll sit there till i'm back up >.> yea bad idea but it works for me lol

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Those stats you show look good. What about call f cbet, raise f cbet? 3bet is small, what kind of hands are you 3betting with, unpolarized ranges? Pretty bad that your button is negative. How much are you adjusting what you do to the other players at the table and their stats? Have you looked at individual hand types: suited connectors, low pockets, nonsuited gappers.
For individual hands look at: your high pockets pairs, their winrate (is it normal? if it's high or low could mean you're playing them over aggressively, too passively, not letting them go, letting them go too easily), the bb/hand, how frequently you're getting them. 50k hands is a decent sample, but you could just be on a sick terrible run where you're not getting your profitable hands as often, losing more frequently than you should when you do, running into cooler situations more often than the norm, etc. Look at mid pockets, high suited connectors, AK, hands you should be profitable with. Do a pot size analysis. Look at how many pots you won/lost 2-5 bbs 5-10, 10-30, 30-80, 80+. If you're losing more than winning in one of those ranges then you may be spewing in one type of frequently occurring situation. Maybe in smaller pots you're involving yourself superficially and too often giving up or the complete opposite, maybe you're spewing in large pots and don't even realize it. For example of how badly this can effect your bottom line think about if you spew 40 bbs of equity every 600 hands in one bad call or shove in a 200 bb pot. Your bb/100 drops 6.7 from your overall total and your stats would still look nearly the same.
I'd be willing to do an in depth analysis for you for a few hundred.

thanks for the suggestions jchysk

I will write a to-do list and try to tackle most of the things mentioned in the thread so far over the coming days

Not like i beat nl200+ but you should work more on your game, i've seen a couple of hands, your reasonings are flawed. Also your stats are way too low for 6max, there is a difference between living your dreams and dreaming your life, time to get a job imo and keep poker as a hobby...

hi, im also a nl25 grinder and i notice some differences in our stats

1. aggression factor - i think your af is a bit high ...ive looked at most winning regs on nl25 and they have values of 2-3. and on the river they have a really low af which means they are very careful on the river. you could also be bluffing too much.

2. flop/turn cbet % - i see a big difference between your flop and turn cbet %. i think this means you are cbetting flop and then giving up the turn often. you should pay attention to when your flop cbetting. have a plan on what your gonna do on the turn/river. ex. i like to cbet/lead(only against passive players) flop when there are tons of turn cards that can improve my hand so i can cbet turn more often. flop cbetting is very important and you should make sure you know which flops to cbet your entire range and against what type of player. sometimes it could be better to just check back flop and evaluate turn rather than cbetting.

3. 3betting - my 3 bet is 6-7%. i think you should try to 3bet more.

4. vs 3bet call % - i think you are folding to 3 bets too often. you can try calling with more hands that can play post-flop against weaker/LAG/retarded players.

this is my first post and i have no idea what im talking abt...but i hope i helped