So like, fold QQ? - Page 2

On May 07 2009 14:06 Joe wrote: From my experience Evil_bong is a nit and he will be super strong here. RandomDonky does a lot of random shit so I wouldnt mind getting it in if Evil_bong was out, but like this it suxx I dunno, fold seems like the best option to me. Well unless you 3 have been really active against each other recently in the session, then just get it in and hope

owned ... GG

fold qq dont have to see hh

i think what myth said is ok if u can play perfectly post flop (setmine odds) but as Fayth said ur going to get it in on low flops cuz we all will do it but its obv what evil has given how he plays so its a spot where u can even pass up on set mine odds (i dont know the official math just trust myth's math) given that u wont play perfectly on a miss and evil only has AA or KK

if evil had a larger range then obv much diff but he doesnt unless he was on some sort of nitball tilt

i wouldnt shove here vs evil BUT if u can turn Qs obv u should shove

it's definitely incorrect to think that, if you call preflop, you MUST get it in on low flops. if the only thing that you know, with certainty, is that it's +EV is to purely setmine, then you can just purely setmine and have the discipline to fold on 223 type flops.

there's no such thing as "passing up on +EV" because "well if i TRY to capitalize on a plan that i know for SURE to be +EV, i will just play differently than my plan and then i dunno whether it's +EV"

i mean....you have two choices. one is definitely +EV and the other is a big question mark. so you at LEAST choose the +EV one, rather than just folding because you don't think you'll be able to summon the will to avoid the question mark...

definitely important to note, if you are reading this post, that i am NOT, once again, NOT saying that a total setmine is the best play, but i AM saying that i'm almost 100% positive that a pure setmine is at least +EV, even if it may not be the most +EV option available.

and im saying most people will change their plan and stack off and cant setmine with QQ esp one with same mindset (loose aggro like Dusty)

i like both your points

pls dont argue u are making jasper nervous, as for the hand he always has a big hand so shoving is pretty bad unless you are swedish obv

but I would prob not set mine because its borderline anyway and would stack off on low flops knowing im probably beat

On May 11 2009 13:22 D_Zoo wrote: and im saying most people will change their plan and stack off and cant setmine with QQ esp one with same mindset (loose aggro like Dusty)

Yea but this is a mental problem and has little to do with game theory and such. Even though you're correct in assumeing that I spew a little with bad calls I don't think that can influence too much when we're trying to determine the best play.

Myth 1 Rest 0

On May 08 2009 14:34 ZeeRaX wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2009 11:03 DustySwedeDude wrote: ok cool, got what I wanted. I pushed, Donkey tank/called JJ and Evil snapped AA. Q on the turn. lol @ this hand, all 3 of you played it bad

who are you again?

On May 08 2009 15:14 ZeeRaX wrote: @ least all of you sticked to your nicknames : RandomDonkey - calling a 4bet + call + 5bet AI with JJ, Evil_bong's flat call of 4bet + call is evil (still bad, he gives pretty much his hand away, would never do this with AK), and DustyLove for never ever folding the so lovely ladies

calling is actually fine, nice try though

I never understood why HH's don't show the time it took for a player to act. How long was it for each player?

Not really sure, I think evil flatted kinda fast though.

On May 08 2009 11:03 DustySwedeDude wrote: Q on the turn.

teach me how to do that one.

call, fold on any flop if randomD cbets unless u spike Q, hes not goin to cbet if he miss completely vs 2 players OOP, he has KK/AA if he cbets, esp when hes such nit.

RD isn't the nit. Evil is the nit.

18/14 isnt nit ??

On May 20 2009 14:22 looserSR wrote: 18/14 isnt nit ??

He's tight, but he's a spazznit. He's full of shit a lot post flop and such more then the other dude. Think Joe without a fold button.

On May 20 2009 17:19 DustySwedeDude wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2009 14:22 looserSR wrote: 18/14 isnt nit ?? He's tight, but he's a spazznit. He's full of shit a lot post flop and such more then the other dude. Think Joe without a fold button.

Why fold when your opening range consists of AA/KK?