5/10 AJo 5way oop, easy fold?

Yeah I guess preflop call was a bit marginal considering I was OOP and UTG+1 had raised.
Villain is 15/10/4.7, limp/calls about 4% of hands in EP.
He's raised my turn bet before, but when we were only 100bbs deep.
Now being about 250bbs deep I don't see him doing this without 44 or JQs, if that was in his limping range.
I'm pretty sure he has to think that my donking range in a 5way pot is pretty strong, like the top of my range (44, AJ, QJ, etc)
Easy fold on turn?
Maybe c/c turn > bet/fold turn, was thinking of that as well. But I figured if I c/c turn, the only card I'm really happy with on the river is an A or a J.

Submitted by : Exhilarate

PokerStars Game #27425533892: Holdem No Limit ($5/$10) - 2009/04/23 22:18:53 ET
Table Gorgo II 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Frogg em ($2460.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Huhasgirl ($1015 in chips)
Seat 4: Eagle2667 ($1441.75 in chips)
Seat 5: bmwe93 ($827.25 in chips)
Seat 6: ADZ122 ($1105.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Ferl0k ($980 in chips)
Seat 8: Nector33 ($1075 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($3003 in chips)
Nector33: posts small blind $5
Hero: posts big blind $10
AmPHisbaenA: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Frogg em: calls $10
Huhasgirl: raises $40 to $50
Eagle2667: calls $50
bmwe93: folds
ADZ122: calls $50
Ferl0k: folds
Nector33: folds
Hero: calls $40
Frogg em: calls $40

Flop (Pot : $255.00)

   
Hero: bets $177
Frogg em: calls $177
Huhasgirl: folds
Eagle2667: folds
ADZ122: folds

Turn (Pot : $609.00)

   
Hero: bets $402
Frogg em: raises $658 to $1060

High percent of 44, QJ combos. Very low percent of anything else, incl AJ for a split. Almots never a worse hand. Sux. Fold.

I'm lazy to go into details, but one of the biggest possible give-aways in poker is to call a lead in a multiway pot with a few people behind you.

Would prefer a small squeeze preflop (165~175 or so) or a fold. I don't like to call this in 6max so I guess it won't be good almost ever in full ring. Preflop I don't think I would ever call.

On the flop when you donk out like that in a 5way pot you pretty much turn your hand upside down but check/calling or check/raising is just as iffy so even though you hit hard it just sucks. Massive reverse implied odds unless you hit a perfect setup like KQT flop with one of them having a set.

As played with the call on the flop I would probably check turn because I don't think he calls with a flush draw much on the flop and I think you fold out everything you beat. Even if he does have a flush draw in his range, you gotta risk the free card imo.

I dont mind leading flop, people are gonna play cautious with overpairs, not giving that much action. But you show alot of strength by leading flop, and against a tighter opponent on turn I dont mind slowing down a little bit, I think he will bet KJ for you on turn anyways, mostly. You get to know where you stand by betting turn but it also makes your hand look quite strong, after leading in a 5way pot... However if you are betting I dont mind 1/2 potish, and fold to raise.

Its such a gross spot because Ive seen frog take this line with a complete bluff or pair turned into bluff quite more than other regs, thats why I think actually c/c might be better here, I dunno tho that might be just results oriented.

If you've seen him fuck around in 5way pots for no apperent reason what so ever just stack of, otherwise I guess we need to fold.

turn is a gross spot, it depends on how well uve been watching villain cuz either a shove or fold could both be horrendous based on opponents tendencies. Against an avg full ring opponent I think im leaning toward a fold, but if I had evilsky's read on villain I think you gotta call and re-evaluate river, tho u most likely have to call that too =[.

Its a gross spot but its relatively rare, I think just calling pre, leading flop, and betting turn is pretty much mandatory and when shitty spots like this come up ur just going to have to deal.

fucking fullring 8)

froggy is lighter here than most people, cant fold

are you leading J9 and JT on the flop?

fold pre for sure, i don't think it's "a bit" marginal, i think it's very very bad

i'm all for playing AJ but position, betting lead, and few # of opponents plz. oop, repping weak range, AND facing 4 opponents = terrible terrible situation

Couldn't take close look cuz i was in a session earlier but pf call is bad. Can't really play any flop for stacks and even if you flop top two its gonna be hard to get paid off by worse. This is like the best a flop could get. But yea check call is better then betting. I don't know much about froggy's but if i considered him good hand reading reg that knows u'r capable of folding 44/AJ (which is top of of ur range) I don't even mind flatting here n lookin him up on riv. Raising turn isnt the best line hes taking with 44/JQ when he can flat the turn and shove comfortably and get paid off by worse or get a decent bet goin on the riv for the times u check. but ya if he's some1 super solid n just plays his hand face up fold

On April 24 2009 12:57 Roman wrote: froggy is lighter here than most people, cant fold

yeah i played some 6m with him the other day

seemed pretty bad

easy fold guys

rofl

On April 24 2009 07:21 Twisted wrote: Would prefer a small squeeze preflop (165~175 or so) or a fold. I don't like to call this in 6max so I guess it won't be good almost ever in full ring. Preflop I don't think I would ever call. On the flop when you donk out like that in a 5way pot you pretty much turn your hand upside down but check/calling or check/raising is just as iffy so even though you hit hard it just sucks. Massive reverse implied odds unless you hit a perfect setup like KQT flop with one of them having a set. As played with the call on the flop I would probably check turn because I don't think he calls with a flush draw much on the flop and I think you fold out everything you beat. Even if he does have a flush draw in his range, you gotta risk the free card imo.

yeah was also considering a squeeze, and looking back, i agree with everyone else pf call is terrible.
i know villain likes to raise turn bets quite a lot, but i've never got to showdown to see what he actually does it with, probably have to play more aggressive against him next time.
i just ended up folding the turn

this frogg em character sounds like a sick hero if hes ever bluffing here

On April 24 2009 12:44 Fayth wrote: fucking fullring 8)

+1

1. squeeze
2.- flop trips
3.- ???
4.- profit

On April 25 2009 20:56 Ket wrote: this frogg em character sounds like a sick hero if hes ever bluffing here

maybe he saw durrrr on hsp and decided to rep a boat to get someone off trips

u called 5% of stacks pre and flopped like a top 1% flop iunno how u fold even if hes trying to turn his hand faceup and tells u he has u beat. i think he slowplays boats often enough for him to have a lot of worse jacks and airish hands here.

oh wow ur deep.... thats pretty sick then didnt see it... i prolly station it then, at least on the turn.