Earthlings (documentary) - Page 2

I love the argument that animals are predators because you are completely right. But ask yourself this, are most humans predators... haha hell no! Animals NEED to kill other animals in order to survive. Tell me when the last time you've killed an animal with your own hands. In this society we are not predators at all, if you can kill an animal yourself by all means eat meat. However, relying on these completely immoral slaughterhouses which pump meat full of cancer causing toxins in the name of the almighty dollar. Can you really sleep on that justification. I have no problem with people eating meat. I have a problem with people being pussies and lazy by basically killing themselves in the sake of "it's natural" when it's really not. I know that I can't kill an animal so I choose to be a vegetarian. And it's really not that hard. My girlfriend has been a vegan for over 6 years now, and we're top collegiate athletes.

So, think of it as a moral proposition on whether you should eat meat.

When they make meat substitute that taste as good as meat Im def turning vegan, but till then Im just forced to keep eating animals :/

i dont really give a shit

u can suffer for a lost cause

nobody forces you to do anything. you do it out of pure will. the truth is that you are a lazy fuck and/or you care more about how tasty meat is than the environment and animals. just don't lie to yourself about it.

there are plenty of great substitutes as well.

the people who cling on to the belief that they need meat in their diet to be healthy are just fooling themselves. hell, there are pro football, baseball, bodybuilders and mma fighters who are actually vegans/vegetarians. you have to be extremely stupid in order to be an unhealthy vegan/vegetarian.

On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being.

like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption.

I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots.

infernalization to the extreme

On February 23 2009 11:06 Loco wrote: the people who cling on to the belief that they need meat in their diet to be healthy are just fooling themselves. hell, there are pro football, baseball, bodybuilders and mma fighters who are actually vegans/vegetarians. you have to be extremely stupid in order to be an unhealthy vegan/vegetarian.

Very true. Maybe like 10, 15, 20 years ago it was different, or at least it was tougher to be a healthy vegetarian because society didn't provide for it and a lot of people weren't balancing their diet properly. But these days it's amazing what they have developed for vegetarians and vegans. I personally eat meat but I have gone on several month streaks where I eat mostly vegetarian and honestly I usually feel healthier the less meat I have in my diet. And these days they've got some seriously tasty shit for vegetarians to eat and a lot of it is almost as good as / the same as meat. When I was young vegetarian food always tasted like shit and attempts at meat alternatives were huge failures, but I've recently gone to some vegetarian restaurants and had meat substitutes which were fucking delicious. It wasn't exactly the same but it was really good in a different way. I think I could grow up as a vegetarian now if I could eat that type of vegetarian food.

And if you think that there can't be tasty vegetarian food, try eating indian food. God, those guys figured out how to make veggies and rice and bread taste like heaven.

Personally I never plan to stop eating meat. I used to eat meat every meal of every day and if there wasn't meat then I felt like it wasn't a proper meal. Now I'm totally happy eating vegetarian and leaving the meat out, but there are still dishes which I love that are made of meat and I will keep eating. Luckily since I'm eating meat much less often it allows me to more easily be more picky about the meat I eat, so I can get organic meat and be picky about the way it was raised/killed.

wasn't there a Southpark about this?

lol the HUMANe treatment of ANIMALs

now what they do to corn, that shit is vile. Like nazi germany or something

On February 23 2009 11:26 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being. like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption. I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots.

QFT

This thread reminded of my craving for a steak, bbl

On February 23 2009 11:26 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being. like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption. I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots.

I don't care. It has no relevance whether you want the situation to be improved, it simply is not happening and it won't happen, it's wishful thinking. And if it was to happen you'd pay more for your meat, you wouldn't want that would you? I've already mentioned how idiotic I thought the whole "there are worse things in the world happening, so the animals and environment is the least of our worries" was, you need to understand that it sparks from the exact same place but with food consumption you can actually make a difference! Whereas you are a silent observer to those other things happening in the world.

On February 23 2009 11:27 k2o4 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 11:06 Loco wrote: the people who cling on to the belief that they need meat in their diet to be healthy are just fooling themselves. hell, there are pro football, baseball, bodybuilders and mma fighters who are actually vegans/vegetarians. you have to be extremely stupid in order to be an unhealthy vegan/vegetarian. Very true. Maybe like 10, 15, 20 years ago it was different, or at least it was tougher to be a healthy vegetarian because society didn't provide for it and a lot of people weren't balancing their diet properly. But these days it's amazing what they have developed for vegetarians and vegans. I personally eat meat but I have gone on several month streaks where I eat mostly vegetarian and honestly I usually feel healthier the less meat I have in my diet. And these days they've got some seriously tasty shit for vegetarians to eat and a lot of it is almost as good as / the same as meat. When I was young vegetarian food always tasted like shit and attempts at meat alternatives were huge failures, but I've recently gone to some vegetarian restaurants and had meat substitutes which were fucking delicious. It wasn't exactly the same but it was really good in a different way. I think I could grow up as a vegetarian now if I could eat that type of vegetarian food. And if you think that there can't be tasty vegetarian food, try eating indian food. God, those guys figured out how to make veggies and rice and bread taste like heaven. Personally I never plan to stop eating meat. I used to eat meat every meal of every day and if there wasn't meat then I felt like it wasn't a proper meal. Now I'm totally happy eating vegetarian and leaving the meat out, but there are still dishes which I love that are made of meat and I will keep eating. Luckily since I'm eating meat much less often it allows me to more easily be more picky about the meat I eat, so I can get organic meat and be picky about the way it was raised/killed.

Yeah, while it is great that you acknowledge that vegan/vegetarian food is good and you eat less meat than before, don't kid yourself... organic meat still has hormones in it. Some good info...

I have no problem buying food that is more expensive if it was naturally fed/lived/killed. Also, it tastes a lot better, a lot better, the chicken is so juicy. As of right now though it is hard to find that shit because the majority of people are life nits/poor/dumb when it comes to food which is why you are right it is not going to change any time soon.

I meant that in a general way, I was not genuinely asking Baal or anyone if they would want that. It's just not happening.

On February 23 2009 11:30 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2009 11:26 Baal wrote:   On February 23 2009 08:05 Loco wrote:   On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. Does that make you sleep better at night though? I mean you know that it's not going to happen right? It has to be more cost effective and the more the animals are mistreated the less they have to spend money on their well being. like Nazgul, i am in favor of improving the conditions of the livestock and the animals we eat, but i am totally for their consumption. I have no trouble sleeping at night for it, i do care about it, however focusing so much energy on animals when the whole world is such a fucked up place where we treat often humans worse than animals its vain and retarded, and that is the reason why i hate PETA faggots. I don't care. It has no relevance whether you want the situation to be improved, it simply is not happening and it won't happen, it's wishful thinking. And if it was to happen you'd pay more for your meat, you wouldn't want that would you? I've already mentioned how idiotic I thought the whole "there are worse things in the world happening, so the animals and environment is the least of our worries" was, you need to understand that it sparks from the exact same place but with food consumption you can actually make a difference! Whereas you are a silent observer to those other things happening in the world.

the difference in price in my meat would be unnoticable if animals are treated correctly, i dont know how i can make a difference... by not eating meat? oh yeah that will teach them... sorry but i enjoy my meat sir, animals should be treated better, if there is a petition, ill sign it, if there is a vote on it, ill vote, but i wont stop eating meat, its stupid.

On February 23 2009 11:40 Loco wrote: I meant that in a general way, I was not genuinely asking Baal or anyone if they would want that. It's just not happening.

yeah its not happening, and its not the fault of meat eating people its the fault of the government, who are the only ones who can enforce slaughter houses to do stuff. so to raise awareness of this is obviously a very good thing, wanting to people to become vegetarians is just retarded.


BTW what is the exact diffrence between a vegetarian, a vegan and a microbiotic, and what are the "philosophies" behind those.

cmon chicken is too good

On February 23 2009 07:56 Nazgul wrote: I'm a vegetarian without the balls to stick up for my beliefs. I eat meat all the time and would never limit myself to not eating it. I do think we should take much better care of the animals we raise to eat and such though. The stuff that goes on there is sickening. edit: that came across rather dumb I'm not a vegetarian at all lal but I think we could treat animals better

lol nice edit catch.

feel the same way.i feel bad for the animals but meat is one of the very few foods im able to enjoy so meh ;

So anyway u do realise that most of the vegetables these days are made with fertilizers so thats full of shit too if u ask me ... well not as much as the stuff they put in the meat but still its not natural
The meaning of "healthy food" is pretty messed up these days since there isnt much 100% natural healthy food.
As far as it goes for me im very capricious about the food i eat so if u take my meat away u ll be basically taking like 50% of my regular meals out