Earthlings (documentary) - Page 6

I'm sorry Baal but you just aren't looking at the bigger picture here. You are too concerned with individuality. It is of course true that it does "very little" but that is relative anyway. How is very little?

By going vegan for a month, you save:

8000 gallons of water
a quarter acre of land
a quarter ton of soil erosion
a half ton of polluting animal manure
the CO2 equivalent of 270 pounds of greenhouse gases
the energy equivalent of burning 7 gallons of gasoline, and
160 pounds of crops wasted on farmed animals.

Of course it isn't gigantic on a very large scale but if that one person makes a few other people become vegan and so on during their lifespan it doesn't take very long before it makes a drastic difference on the planet. Thinking that you are just one individual on this planet and that what you do has no importance is just ignorance.

Donating is obviously a great thing also but how can you make sure it is going to them and how does it solve the source of the problem? We shouldn't just be aware of the problem and try to make it less of a problem, we should seek the source and remove the problem as a whole. You also have to be aware of those things and also have the money for it, whereas changing your nutrition is a very easy thing to do and you also don't need to have spare money for it. And fwiw, a lot of people donate to charity to get that feeling of accomplishment and feel generous and believe it will bring them good karma, so your argument is void and it is completely irrelevant. I don't care about how other vegetarian/vegans act and how proud they are to be as such, I can only speak for myself and I don't do it for my self-esteem, I do it because it makes sense to do it.

Glutonny is eating in excess and/or getting extreme pleasures from food. So when someone says hmmmmmm I love steaks so much they're so tasty I would never give up eating them they're pretty much being gluttons. They do what they do because they don't care about what's behind it, the industries, the environment, and only want to please their tastebuds. That is your choice, but that is also glutonny and only in this fucked up world can such a thing happen, because it is certainly not natural for some humans to be gluttons and others to starve to death.

On February 24 2009 06:07 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2009 05:48 Loco wrote: Crownroyal, why are you talking about my views in an attempt to defend your ignorance? Even Baal who doesn't agree with my views said you were an ignorant and he was spot on. But I think everyone who's been on this site long enough already knows that you aren't a very intelligent person so there isn't much to discuss with you about this, sorry if I'm being rude. Look at what you're writing you post in such a condescending manner it's ridiculous what the fuck makes you any better than me? Sorry if i'm being rude, faggot.

Well I thought it was clear enough, you're an ignorant. I'm not. If this means to you that I believe that I am a much better person than you, then it must be true.

i'm ignorant because i can see the big picture and regardless how i treat an animal it isn't gonna make any difference.

you're not going to change the world with your current views no one gives a fuck. you're wasting your time even replying to anyone here it is crystal clear that no one is going to change their values because you posted a biased PETA video on lp.

I can tell you that I live in a real farm community and animals get treated MUCH better than if they were to graze the world on their own.

No you're an ignorant, plain and simple. I wasn't just talking about this. People like you make blog posts about their lives ups and down, and you think you see the bigger picture? ...

Yeah well I know for a fact that word to mouth works very well, or else I wouldn't be vegan myself, pretty useless to try to discourage me on this really. It is true that I'm not going to change the mind of some people, but that doesn't really matter and it's not time wasted to discuss such things to me. I'm also learning at the same time because I didn't research much before making this thread.

nm i just read some of the thread that i missed and your point is now to save the environment.

i can't really insult you for that and it's an honorable cause. I guess i'll just feel guilty that i'm not doing my part by being a vegan and intead a "glutton". I think i would starve to death if i had to be a vegan though literally over half of what I eat is associated with animals.

I really do think that you get wayyyyyyy out of hand with closeminded thoughts once you've decided something is right you can't even look at something else and consider it.

Close-minded thoughts? Right or wrong? Who decides such things? It all boils down to if it is natural or not. I believe in nature's way of doing things, plain and simple.

On February 24 2009 06:25 Loco wrote: No you're an ignorant, plain and simple. I wasn't just talking about this. People like you make blog posts about their lives ups and down, and you think you see the bigger picture? ... Yeah well I know for a fact that word to mouth works very well, or else I wouldn't be vegan myself, pretty useless to try to discourage me on this really. It is true that I'm not going to change the mind of some people, but that doesn't really matter and it's not time wasted to discuss such things to me. I'm also learning at the same time because I didn't research much before making this thread.

and people like you donate 5k+ to bands for their selfish desires when kids are starving in africa

while you're at it why dont you just withdraw your every penny and donate it and become a monk?
how can you play poker and not feel guilty about yourself??? taking money from the unenlightened so that they can't feed their families and let you build up a greedy horde of money.

So when you say you believe you would starve, that implies that if you would cut meat you would be too stupid to learn to feed yourself with non-animal products? I believe you'd want to survive and make some efforts in learning how to live healthy as a vegan. Either way, it's not about turning everyone into vegans instantly, people should just go progressively as far as they comfortably can. People already eat way too much meat, they should just cut the consumption percentage and perhaps after become vegetarians or vegans.

On February 24 2009 06:31 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2009 06:25 Loco wrote: No you're an ignorant, plain and simple. I wasn't just talking about this. People like you make blog posts about their lives ups and down, and you think you see the bigger picture? ... Yeah well I know for a fact that word to mouth works very well, or else I wouldn't be vegan myself, pretty useless to try to discourage me on this really. It is true that I'm not going to change the mind of some people, but that doesn't really matter and it's not time wasted to discuss such things to me. I'm also learning at the same time because I didn't research much before making this thread. and people like you donate 5k+ to bands for their selfish desires when kids are starving in africa while you're at it why dont you just withdraw your every penny and donate it and become a monk? how can you play poker and not feel guilty about yourself??? taking money from the unenlightened so that they can't feed their families and let you build up a greedy horde of money.

I'll give you a point on the donation, it was a selfish thing. If there can be such a thing as a selfish donation, because I did please a lot of people around the world by doing this. But what can I say, music has been my way of life since I was very young and this one band pretty much changed my views on music. What's done is done anyway and I cannot regret such a thing. I am not the same person anymore though.

I think you're being very out of line here. For all you know, I could very well give away my possessions tomorrow and become a monk, you have no idea of who I am. It would be very silly to assume that you know me. Please stop centering this thread all on me now, I do not care about your views of me and you are wasting both yours and my time.

i'm not directing anything at you until you insult my integrity as a human and talk to me in a condescending tone when you nor i am better than anyone in this world.

i'll quit posting here now and derailing, however.

EDIT: That's incorrect. You believe in such a thing as your integrity and feel the need to defend it simply because you are an ego-driven ignorant.

On February 24 2009 06:45 Loco wrote: EDIT: That's incorrect. You believe in such a thing as your integrity and feel the need to defend it simply because you are an ego-driven ignorant.

i said i wasn't gonna post anymore but i'm ok with this yes, i have an ego.

at least i'm real with who i am and don't try to act like i care about the world and then berate anyone who disagrees with me and then do things that make me a hypocrite to my own ideas.

That person you make me out to be only exists in your head.

On February 24 2009 06:35 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2009 06:31 CrownRoyal wrote:   On February 24 2009 06:25 Loco wrote: No you're an ignorant, plain and simple. I wasn't just talking about this. People like you make blog posts about their lives ups and down, and you think you see the bigger picture? ... Yeah well I know for a fact that word to mouth works very well, or else I wouldn't be vegan myself, pretty useless to try to discourage me on this really. It is true that I'm not going to change the mind of some people, but that doesn't really matter and it's not time wasted to discuss such things to me. I'm also learning at the same time because I didn't research much before making this thread. and people like you donate 5k+ to bands for their selfish desires when kids are starving in africa while you're at it why dont you just withdraw your every penny and donate it and become a monk? how can you play poker and not feel guilty about yourself??? taking money from the unenlightened so that they can't feed their families and let you build up a greedy horde of money. I'll give you a point on the donation, it was a selfish thing. If there can be such a thing as a selfish donation, because I did please a lot of people around the world by doing this. But what can I say, music has been my way of life since I was very young and this one band pretty much changed my views on music. What's done is done anyway and I cannot regret such a thing. I am not the same person anymore though. I think you're being very out of line here. For all you know, I could very well give away my possessions tomorrow and become a monk, you have no idea of who I am. It would be very silly to assume that you know me. Please stop centering this thread all on me now, I do not care about your views of me and you are wasting both yours and my time.

how can you say this about me knowing you and then you sit here and insult me?

rofl

get real man

everything only exists in my head, without my head the world isn't here.

i am a slave to my own perception, so are you.

this is why we disagree.

the world is a zero sum, i am a variable.

quit editing your posts so that things i post dont make sense

You make yourself very public CrownRoyal. Knowing that you are an ego-driven ignorant is enough. Whereas you have no idea of who I am and of my purpose behind what I do. Your purpose is to inflate your ego, clearly. What about mine? Do you think I have made this thread to inflate my ego? No, some people will see it as me trying to spread awareness and they would be right. What you think about it is irrelevant anyway, you are stuck in your own little world always being so defensive about your values and integrity.

so when you posted your blog about donating 5k+ or whatever it was to that band what was your purpose, enlightened one?

"i'm not the same person i was then"

yes you are, you can't change who you are. you are molded by society and can't break down who you are at the core.

I don't post purely for ego either, i'd be doing a pretty fucking bad job if i was cause my image on this site isn't how i would want the world to perceive me at all.

Everything you do is for your ego. Your perception is very limited. Do you think that I hate you for it?