AA 3way vs Daut - Page 2

On January 30 2008 13:59 DooMeR wrote: dauts not setmineing so call. how is this a question imo?

and i think he's calling here preflop to setmine or with any small suited connector 100% of the time? or is daut too good to do that!!! LOL

i guess since ur gonna cbet about 310 on the flop. hes calling 120, to win basically 700 or so eh? i guess its not bad to setmine then. meh i suck with math =.= but still a snap instacall. i mean whats he gonna do here with QQ? flat the other guys bet ? nah he'll play it same way same with JJ imo.

w/e its a snap call u invested enough preflop to never fold this ;D

how does daut view you specifically? he certainly doesn't give much credit to the fish but he has to put you on a super strong hand. i think i can find a fold here.

why is no one worried about the fish, from your desc hes not making too many moves here. I fold this here, esp at FR, but im bad and always get berated for making folds like this. I fold not just because of the fish, because I think AA is most likely behind both of their ranges.

nvm didnt see how short fish is. Still, I dont think he or daut are making moves here all that often. Dunno I still fold but w.e its close

i love daut, dauty daut daut

oh do you?

How fast did Daut push? Youve got some equity if youre behind (minimum 13% and you need like 30%) , I'd be inclined to call. Well after the big bet on your part, this is snap call actually. You shouldn't fold. Pot odds are too good. It's probably around EV=0 either way so whatever..

Youve got minimum 456$ equity after you call. So to call 880, you need to be in front just occasionally to break even. If Daut has 2 pair or a combodraw sometime its enough. The fish likely doesn't have us beat. But still, if your read is that Daut will 4bet AA KK preflop, think a long time and maybe muck QQ on flop and have only sets when he pushes (which is reasonable) then fold is best.

uh if u think to urself he is 100% of the time calling pre with a suited connector or to setmine..then how is this a snap call?
seems contradicting to the bottom line of poker doesn't it?
must be why Im obv outta my zone here
in my zone, I'd snap call this on 50NL 6MAX unless I knew the guy was tight or decent reg
but from the very little I've seen of daut and this being FR etc, I could find a fold
I think he made this easy on u
*shrug*

snap

On January 30 2008 21:15 n0rthf4ce wrote: how does daut view you specifically? he certainly doesn't give much credit to the fish but he has to put you on a super strong hand. i think i can find a fold here.

he prolly view me as a solid full ring tag grinder .. i was playing like 16/13/4

On January 31 2008 00:27 Rhaegar wrote: How fast did Daut push? Youve got some equity if youre behind (minimum 13% and you need like 30%) , I'd be inclined to call. Well after the big bet on your part, this is snap call actually. You shouldn't fold. Pot odds are too good. It's probably around EV=0 either way so whatever.. Youve got minimum 456$ equity after you call. So to call 880, you need to be in front just occasionally to break even. If Daut has 2 pair or a combodraw sometime its enough. The fish likely doesn't have us beat. But still, if your read is that Daut will 4bet AA KK preflop, think a long time and maybe muck QQ on flop and have only sets when he pushes (which is reasonable) then fold is best.

he insta pushed
i really though he would 4 bet AA/KK pre here, esp 3 way and with $1300 stacks

fold...i dont see how you ahead here. Daut probably is never doing this with JJ+ and a bluff wouldnt make any sense. it looks like a combo draw, two pair or a set

how often are you cbetting here with AKdd for example? How wide of a calling range does Daut have, and is he isolating here with suited connectors? If no to both then I would fold even given these odds as you are surely beat. Theres even no chance for him to have Axhh...

it's already a stretch to think he's setmining unless you cough up stacks with regularity
giving him T9s is ridiculous

i dont understand the logic behind wanting to 4bet here with AA and KK when they are the only hand you would do it wth. when u are this deep. its pretty much a spew in my opinion and i dont see the logic behind why someone would want to do it lol "LOOK these are the only hands that i can have, now please own me because i just told u exactly what i have, now make perfect decisions against me!"

On January 30 2008 19:51 Rekrul wrote: to not know that this is a snap call even against the tightest of ranges makes someone completely ignorant of all poker common sense

On January 31 2008 11:35 DooMeR wrote: i dont understand the logic behind wanting to 4bet here with AA and KK when they are the only hand i would do it wth . when u are this deep. its pretty much a spew in my opinion and i dont see the logic behind why someone would want to do it lol "LOOK these are the only hands that i can have, now please own me because i just told u exactly what i have, now make perfect decisions against me!"

the logic is pretty obv to me .. i rather protect my hand and take it pre then to go 3 way oop

stacking off with QQ in my spot is fucking terrible.
4betting AA pre in my spot is also terrible.
not setmining in my spot a third terrible thing.
reraising to 160 pre is the 4th terrible thing.

thats about it.

posting this thread was the 5th

can u explain why 4 betting AA in ur spot is so terrible?
i got doomers point .. is it the same?