[SC/BW] ASL Season 12

New season has started up guys! Here are some wildcard matches. Apparently, Larva was not able to participate due to an injury... Sadge



https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/AfreecaTV_StarCraft_League_Remastered/12

Let's go! Hyped :D

Thanks I’ve been playing a lot of 3v3 bgh or hunters lately. I’m not too good 1v1 too much work.

All good fun
Another out today

Is flash still taking a break

On September 10 2021 22:12 Spitfiree wrote: Is flash still taking a break

Yep, would be awesome to see him come back. I think it's either military and/or injury related.

New one out

someone give me 5:1 queen is winning 50$

8 zergs 8 protoss 8 terran balance 888 lucky money to all of us except bad people

On September 17 2021 15:45 lostaccount wrote: someone give me 5:1 queen is winning 50$

wtf queen didnt qualify arg, nevermind hes already in the ro16


have a small bet with a buddy i get queen soulkey sharp n best
he has mini hero free rush

we didnt watch any episode yet so its fair game

I'd have thought you had the better bet, Altho I'd put mini up there too. Kinna fucked up queen didn't qualify tho, but you can't discount those protoss either. Sharp looked really good.

Sharp is by far in the worst form of his career, how can you say this lol.

lostaccount looks like you got hustled big time
best is the biggest offline choker youll ever witness, Queen is looking kinda awful at the moment but yeah thats your only good pick. Soulkey is meh while your friend has rush (2nd best terran right now), mini (#1 in thr world atm, looks unstoppable), hero (whos got like 5 or 6 asl ro8 despite doing his military service during asl 6,7,8 and 9 i think). But yeah, free has no chance, there's that

Pray for ZerO (hes in the group of death (C) also.
Actually, just buy out.

I believe in Queen long live my queen

It’s not a lot of money, I ain’t folding lol

On September 17 2021 20:20 TornadoSteve wrote: Sharp is by far in the worst form of his career, how can you say this lol. lostaccount looks like you got hustled big time best is the biggest offline choker youll ever witness, Queen is looking kinda awful at the moment but yeah thats your only good pick. Soulkey is meh while your friend has rush (2nd best terran right now), mini (#1 in thr world atm, looks unstoppable), hero (whos got like 5 or 6 asl ro8 despite doing his military service during asl 6,7,8 and 9 i think). But yeah, free has no chance, there's that Pray for ZerO (hes in the group of death (C) also. Actually, just buy out.

so are u saying sharp is not sharp, how can that be

Kinda hyped for lights matches in this, just came out


Edit: did not disappoint

On September 17 2021 20:20 TornadoSteve wrote: Sharp is by far in the worst form of his career, how can you say this lol. lostaccount looks like you got hustled big time best is the biggest offline choker youll ever witness, Queen is looking kinda awful at the moment but yeah thats your only good pick. Soulkey is meh while your friend has rush (2nd best terran right now), mini (#1 in thr world atm, looks unstoppable), hero (whos got like 5 or 6 asl ro8 despite doing his military service during asl 6,7,8 and 9 i think). But yeah, free has no chance, there's that Pray for ZerO (hes in the group of death (C) also. Actually, just buy out.

Largely agree, but SoulKey is the #1 ranked player on sponbbang right now. If you filter for games played in 2021 SoulKey has a winning record against every Terran except against FlaSh and Light, the latter of which he is 27W 28L against. He is also winning against every Protoss except for Bisu and Free, the latter he is 2W 2L against. FlaSh and Bisu aren't playing anymore so going by sponbbang winrates SoulKey should be considered one of the favourites. Naturally some people perform better or worse offline than they do online, but sponbbang stats are the best measure we have since games played in ASL are either many seasons old or laughable sample sizes. SoulKey's main issue is ZvZ where he's pretty much getting crushed by Larva and Queen and to a lesser extent Soma. He's also losing in small sample sizes against EffOrt (4W 5L) and Action (1W 2L).

Infact, let's be complete and look at his stats in 2021 against every other player remaining in ASL ro16:

Mini: 31W 18L (63.3%)
815: No games played
Soma: 12W 18L (40%)
JyJ: 15W 6L (71.4%)
hero: 20W 10L (66.7%)
nOOB: 1W 0L (100%)
free: 2W 2L (50%)
sOrry: 29W 14L (67.4%)
ZerO: 15W 27L (35.7%)
Stork: 20W 4L (83.3%)
Light: 27W 28L (49.1%)
Snow: 26W 22L (54.2%)
Rush: 44W 29L (60.3%)
BarrackS: 2W 0L (100%)
beast: No games played

Total: 244W 178L (57.8%)

If he can avoid Soma and Queen he's in good shape. On this evidence Light is a coinflip matchup, and I think he's a favourite against anyone else. SnOw looks the next toughest. Obviously sample size against some players is tiny or non-existent, but I'd expect SoulKey to be a solid favourite against 815, nOOB, free, BarrackS or beast in any case.

His group in ro16 looks pretty kind. He has Rush, who he has a 60.3% winrate against on sponbbang this year and 2 "lesser" players in BarrackS and beast. This should be a fairly comfortable path to the ro8 where in bo5 format the chances of him having a surprise defeat decline. I really think SoulKey has a good shot, plus we are in a bit of a Zerg meta atm.

SoulKey sponbbang link for 2021


As for Mini, although I have heard from my active friends that he is super strong right now, he does have a pretty miserable sponbbang record in 2021 against hero (45W 67L), Soulkey (18W 31L) and Light (23W 50L). Seems he's doing well enough against the other remaining players and seems especially strong in PvP where he is crushing SnOw (25W 12L) and Best (24W 10L), although is losing against Stork (8W 12L).

Mini sponbbang link for 2021

Best and Sharp are no longer even in the ASL so those can be kinda ignored for the sake of lostaccount's bet anyway xD

Heya midian, always good to see you, hope you are well. Snow is one of the toss that impressed me the most other than mini of course. I really wish flash was still there, either random or T. I don't think soulkey played like the #1 player but he his still really good.

Kinda sad that Larva has to miss this season, with these maps it seems here are so many cheesy opportunities for zergs

Larva was literally blow drying his mouse between matches last season... a sign he needs to enjoy his prize money a bit

Ya that was hilarious as fuck lol

On September 19 2021 16:11 Oddeye wrote: Heya midian, always good to see you, hope you are well. Snow is one of the toss that impressed me the most other than mini of course. I really wish flash was still there, either random or T. I don't think soulkey played like the #1 player but he his still really good.

Hey man. I'm not too bad thanks. I still come around this place once in a while.

SnOw has been very solid for a long time and pretty much always a top 3 Protoss for the last few years. He is currently #2 ranked Protoss and #4 player overall on Sponbbang. Earlier in the day his rating was high enough to place him #2 overall and #1 Protoss, just behind SoulKey. SnOw's biggest strength is undoubtedly his PvT, but I don't really give him a very high chance of winning this ASL as there are a lot of Zerg and Protoss players who hold solid winning records against SnOw this year online. SnOw actually has a positive winrate against every Terran in the world this year, with the hardest Terran opponent for him being Light where SnOw holds a 26W 22L record. However, against other players remaining in the tournament he is losing against Stork, Mini, Soma, Queen, SoulKey and hero. All in all SnOw probably needs some clutch builds or a lucky runout of opponents to get far. I would not be surprised at all if he did not make it out of RO16 Group C which is a stacked group.

Both FlaSh and Bisu were involved in a scandal which resulted in the backlash of a lot of fans and is ultimately why Bisu stopped playing, perhaps also FlaSh too. There's a big thread on tl.net about it here: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal I haven't read it in detail myself or know the full conclusion, so I dunno if/when either FlaSh or Bisu will be returning to play again.

SoulKey has been a bit underrated for a while now, because other Zergs such as Queen and Larva have taken more of the limelight with their offline tournament wins. If you look at 2020 sponbbang games, SoulKey had the best ZvT in the world and 2nd best ZvP, just behind Queen. He has been super strong for a while, he's just not had as much fortune in tournaments or has been knocked out against other Zergs such as he was in ASL 10 where Larva beat him 3:1 in the knockout stages. SoulKey just really struggles in that matchup. That being said Queen is slumping a bit now, so it could be that SoulKey is just straight up the best ZvT AND ZvP player right now.

Is Larva drying the mouse because of sweat or to "warm" it up?

Thanks for those detailed stats, ToT)MidiaN(.
I always knew SoulKey was a world class TvsZer, but i gotta say
i am very surprised about his stats against protoss.
Especially against 2 of the best PvsZer of the moment, Mini (of course), and Stork (his pvsz has improved tremendously as of late).

Add to the fact that a broke man is ready to do anything for money (if you get the reference with his actual online ID ), i think youre right.

Definately in the RO8 for me.

Can you bet on games anywhere?

On September 22 2021 15:16 spets1 wrote: Can you bet on games anywhere?

https://www.pinnacle.com/en/esports-hub/starcraft-broodwar

what the fuck i randomly clicked a game and it was that leta vs action game that was insane

Bros.. we have Ro16 now, first game Mini.. lets go!

The games are good guys, shieet

This artosis rage remix is fire

For anyone interested I created a spreadsheet compiling the win rates of each remaining player in RO8 against every other remaining player taken from sponbbang, filtered only for 2021 games, as well as a head to head tab for the remaining 4 matchups with their head to head stats. I also created a little probability table showing the chance player A wins the best of 5 given the odds of player A and player B winning a single game based on the sponbbang win rate.

ASL stats spreadsheet

Obviously don't click if you don't want the remaining 8 players spoiled.

Damn, thats cool Midian <3 you dude

I just came to share the new ASL eng upload... about to watch with some dinner and hyped

Hey David Group C did not disappoint! It was the group of death with good reason with 4 very solid players in it.

This season has been great so far

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Group C games were sick... D is out, I know you love the D! Let's go baby

yea i love da divine they are the best

Ro8 set anyone want to give me 6:1 on queen and or soulkey?

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Soulkey vs Queen... I'm rooting for Soulkey :D


Edit: Btw guys if you miss Larva like I do, he played a ZvT match vs Sharp from '19 apparently, but they are really good games, spoilering below if you want to enjoy other GGs too
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Royal vs Mini

Soma vs Rush

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+1 Baal

Light vs herO.. watching NOW!

Semi final 1 on Starcast TV (Nyoken and Scan commentary)

Didn't wanna link the video thumbnail in case it spoiled any RO8 games for anyone.

Both RO4 games are finished now with the 2nd semi final finishing about 10 minutes ago.

On October 26 2021 12:48 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Semi final 1 on Starcast TV (Nyoken and Scan commentary) Didn't wanna link the video thumbnail in case it spoiled any RO8 games for anyone. Both RO4 games are finished now with the 2nd semi final finishing about 10 minutes ago.

i find them less enjoyable to watch... a caster with a nasal lisp is annoying.

I'm sure you're not alone, but it's good to have options. Nyoken and Scan have more strategical knowledge and insight than does Artosis and especially Tasteless. Also I'm sure there's a lot of people who are getting a bit bored of Tasteosis's old jokes and would prefer Nyoken/Scan's commentary. Myself being one of those.

The other good thing is that Nyoken and Scan cast the ASL games live if you catch them on the ASL English AfreecaTV channel and the VODs are available pretty much right after the games are complete. Artosis and Tasteless's releases seem to take an age. I've even watched most of this season with Korean commentators personally, because I wanted to watch it live and didn't realise there was Nyoken and Scan commentary available live also.

If you can live with other commentary...

Main problem with Scan isn't his nasal voice or lisp it's his tendency to keep talking and try to link superfluous consecutive sentences; especially with the word "but" often instead of the more appropriate "and".

I like scan, I honestly ignore any small issues with his English because it's very impressive to have a Korean pro speak as good English as he does and stream / help people but I can see what you guys mean.

Tempting @gororokgororok, clearly the hype is high towards the finals :D

What annoys me the most is the volume increase of Scan's voice when he gets excited.

Mini vs Queen with Tastosis is out lets go

On October 28 2021 09:00 gororokgororok wrote: What annoys me the most is the volume increase of Scan's voice when he gets excited.

lol i don't mind it, zvz is so much micro intensive

Rush vs herO

who wants to bet the final? 100$-500$ let me know

GL lost

Queen vs herO

finals in an hour or so. dang no bets i think + Show Spoiler +

https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/236947251

great ASL, great finals :D

When is the vid with Artosis & Tasteless coming out?

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On November 09 2021 17:41 Loco wrote: + Show Spoiler + Rush really deserved to win, such a shame.

why u say that, best player won imo

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On November 10 2021 00:25 Loco wrote: + Show Spoiler + Rush made some sick holds and played very well overall. His come back in the game where Mini went gateway-man was insane. Almost broke Mini in that last game as well but he took a fight from the low ground and engaged a little too early before his upgrade kicked in, otherwise he had it. Mini screwed up a bunch of times and you could see him being unsatisfied with his play on camera. He definitely didn't play as well and his win can be attributed to the fact that Carrier/ground Protoss is just a lot easier to do than defending it.

agreed

haha i still think the best player won even though he didnt play his best. the result was fair imo

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