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RiKD    United States. Apr 27 2017 07:20. Posts 3998

This topic has been coming up a lot for me recently. I have found a lot of the different answers from people entertaining and thought provoking. For me, I really don't know. I always assumed it was just nothingness. The brain and consciousness just die. I don't believe in a soul. Maybe our consciousness stay intact somehow or are transferred.

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 27 2017 07:54. Posts 31199

The belief that we somehow maintain consciousness comes from wishful thinking and fear from small and egocentrical minds that despise experiencing non-consciousness every nigh in their life and for billions of years before they were spawned into existence refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 27 2017 09:08. Posts 7702

Whatever it is, must be quite good, no one has yet returned from it.


Skoal   Canada. Apr 27 2017 10:10. Posts 460

everything is a wave, a cycle, what has happened once will most likely happen again

but is 'your' consciousness even happening right now, who can know


Baalim   Mexico. Apr 27 2017 10:46. Posts 31199


  On April 27 2017 09:10 Skoal wrote:
everything is a wave, a cycle, what has happened once will most likely happen again




how did you reach to that conclusion?

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RiKD    United States. Apr 27 2017 19:19. Posts 3998

It is fun to talk about reincarnations and karma but I just do not understand how it goes from more or less one lucid consciousness transferred to a baby with a new consciousness with traces of past lives and inheriting past karmas. I do like the idea though that reincarnations and karma would reduce variance. There is a lot of luck and variance if we assume nothingness, consciousness, nothingness. I am ok with that though. I always ascribed to randomness in this universe. It is kind of a hard truth that we can never really confirm but I was never one to pray to fairies and gods. No free will and no gods is where I am at. Sometimes I would like to believe that there is matter within me that I do not understand that could link up with dark matter or something else in some higher consciousness or that consciousness travels to other dimensions especially if they would be blissful. Of course, it is nice to fantasize about that. If we assume the universe is infinite there would be infinite mes and infinite yous and infinite dimensions and it gets complicated. The universe is beyond my comprehension. So is a god. So is death. So is consciousness. Actually, I think actually trying to carve out a decent life in nothingness, consciousness, nothingness, no free will, no gods is the most ethical way of life.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 27 2017 21:25. Posts 7702


  On April 27 2017 09:46 Baalim wrote:
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how did you reach to that conclusion?


It's one of the leading theories about the world. Arrival ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543164/?ref_=nv_sr_1 ) is a good movie that presents it and Slaughterhouse FIve ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4981.Slaughterhouse_Five ) is a good book. I've read about it in some other book as well, but cant remember atm.

The theory about us living in a matrix could also be interpreted that way in some cases e.g. program resets every N amount of time.


This kind of discussion is quite useless imo, it literally doesn't matter as even if anyone reaches a good conclusion thats well-founded, neither of our consciousness would REALLY acknowledge it. A person would most likely literally go insane before recognizing such truths. I'd say thats why so many physicists turn crazy at some point. Our minds cannot comprehend and believe such statements.

P.S. Then again I could just be narrow minded

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 27 2017 22:01. Posts 31199

The simulation theory has many holes in the sense of its purpose, design and morality of it, in The matrix they actually deal with the obvious question of if it is a simulation why so much suffering and in the movie is because in utopias humans woke up which explains suffering but its ultimately a silly explanation.

You fall in some of the same problems with a diety, the simulator runners would have to be evil to permit such painful existences.


But what I was asking is why Dan says thats as a fact, he isnt just entertaining the possibility but saying everything is a wave or a cycle, and I am asking him why he reached that conclusion.

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 27 2017 22:11. Posts 31199


  On April 27 2017 18:19 RiKD wrote:
It is fun to talk about reincarnations and karma but I just do not understand how it goes from more or less one lucid consciousness transferred to a baby with a new consciousness with traces of past lives and inheriting past karmas. I do like the idea though that reincarnations and karma would reduce variance. There is a lot of luck and variance if we assume nothingness, consciousness, nothingness. I am ok with that though. I always ascribed to randomness in this universe. It is kind of a hard truth that we can never really confirm but I was never one to pray to fairies and gods. No free will and no gods is where I am at. Sometimes I would like to believe that there is matter within me that I do not understand that could link up with dark matter or something else in some higher consciousness or that consciousness travels to other dimensions especially if they would be blissful. Of course, it is nice to fantasize about that. If we assume the universe is infinite there would be infinite mes and infinite yous and infinite dimensions and it gets complicated. The universe is beyond my comprehension. So is a god. So is death. So is consciousness. Actually, I think actually trying to carve out a decent life in nothingness, consciousness, nothingness, no free will, no gods is the most ethical way of life.



Karma makes no sense at all for many reasons, if you have no recollection of your past lives it is no punishment nor reward, you are essentially a clean consciousness.

Also it doesnt make sense in a world with changing population and they believe in reincarnations in animals as punishment and come on... if you reincarnate in a cockroach who cares, its not your consciousness it cannot "fit" into a cockroach's brain so again it is no punishment at all.

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maryn   Poland. Apr 28 2017 02:33. Posts 1196

theres a chance we all are Boltzman brains


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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 28 2017 09:16. Posts 31199

Interesting vid but all particles in the universe arent randomly moving, there are forces interacting so every particle in the universe cannot coincede in one point just by chance no matter how low the probabilities, not even a Boltzmann brain should happen since again, particles dont behave that way

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napalm   Poland. Apr 28 2017 11:24. Posts 145

you can be aware when you sleep and you can be aware after you're dead and on the other hand you can be conscious but not aware during your wakeful state (as most people are most of the time)


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 28 2017 14:23. Posts 7702


  On April 28 2017 10:24 napalm wrote:
you can be aware when you sleep and you can be aware after you're dead and on the other hand you can be conscious but not aware during your wakeful state (as most people are most of the time)



This has to be the most awesome way I've seen someone call people idiots :D


Santafairy   Korea (South). Apr 28 2017 16:16. Posts 1165

you stop living

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CrownRoyal   Oman. Apr 28 2017 18:38. Posts 11367


  On April 27 2017 09:46 Baalim wrote:
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how did you reach to that conclusion?


It's really not that complicated, the universe is huge. Also, in the grand scheme of things, we are rather simple. If something has happened once that inherently makes it possible. Anything that is possible will inevitably happen given a large enough space and a large enough amount of time.

If we load up every member of lp.net on a spaceship, assuming we have the technology to not "die" we will inevitably run into a copy of one of us. A literal, down to the last particle copy. Essentially the same thing as a boltzman brain that was linked above.

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CrownRoyal   Oman. Apr 28 2017 18:39. Posts 11367

Assuming the universe is truly infinite, or there are at the very least an infinite number of universes we have had this conversation before and we will have it again.

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Floofy   Canada. Apr 28 2017 22:27. Posts 8563

I used to think it is almost certain nothing ever happens again after death, but i recently changed my mind.

Let's say we take the following hypothesis as fact:
#1 We never existed before being born

This means we went from "non existence" to "existing" state. If it happened once, why could it NEVER happen again?

That being said, i guess it is possible the future existence could be different from this one.
Actually, the theory where we are going to relive the same life over n over for eternity sounds a little scary to me (i guess its better than dying forever obviously).

Assuming there is NOTHING after life, i also feel the human brain sees death as a lot worse than it really is.
We feel extremely bad for our grand father that dies, but don't give a shit about our zergling in starcraft that dies to a zealot. But in reality, when you think about it, you almost should feel worse for the zergling. Right now, both your grand father and the zergling does not exist anymore. There isn't one luckier than the other, both don't exist and will never exist again. But the grand father at least had the chance in the past of having a great life. The zergling is a bit like a baby that dies at birth... he never had the chance to live.

One thing i'm pretty confident in is, there probably isn't anything we can do in this life to change what will happen in the next, and worrying about it isn't very constructive. Best to just live your life fully, and hopefully what happens after life is good.

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Skoal   Canada. Apr 29 2017 13:47. Posts 460


  On April 27 2017 09:46 Baalim wrote:
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how did you reach to that conclusion?


the gods have displayed it again and again


whamm!   Albania. Apr 30 2017 07:35. Posts 11535

our lives are so small and so sort in the overall scheme of things i dont think it has to have an afterlife lol
people are just so arrogant that's all


 
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