UFC 194: Aldo vs. McGregor - Page 3

Can't actually believe Ronda isn't at least even considering training elsewhere. At least on like a half camp or something like that basis. Or maybe she did but anyways.

A little random and this isn't to do with his training acumen (or lack thereof) or anything but anyone else notice that Edmond is a little bit...uhh creepy? Unsure what the right word is. Not just an in hindsight thing after the fact that everyone has shit on him now. Noticed earlier...like the 2nd Tate fight and Carmouche fight...when Ronda is getting patted down before entering the ring and hugging her camp, Edmond was always awkwardly trying to lean in for a closer cheek kiss or something. Really don't know how to describe it except that it just isn't normal.

Thought once the 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' thing was out the window, Ronda would wise up. Well, so did a lot of people. Kinda sucks. I actually really want to root for Ronda to make a successful comeback after seeing the ridiculous backlash but well, basically training yourself against Holly + Winklejohn + Greg Jackson after you got your block knocked off in every part of the first fight doesn't seem like the greatest path to that

I feel strongest about Weidman > Rockhold even though I think Rockhold is his biggest threat...past and near future (including Jacare and Romero). A lot seems to be made out of his little stumble vs Vitor in the last fight before turning it around. My read on that was that Weidman knew he was facing a lessor Vitor and rushed into a clumsy charge. Think Luke's length and athleticism will give some problems on the feet in R1 and possibly into R2 but don't see Rockhold stopping the eventual takedown and it seems like Chris's physical strength on the ground is going to be enough. Weidman is so constantly criminally underrated. I hope this is his real coming out party. x 4. Since he's supposed to have had it several times now.

I like Gunnar but I'm also I think like 1-101 in predicting Maia fights. Actually really interested to see how that first minute of that fight plays out.

Random note on the week and card: A lot was made out of Conor being the new guy of the last couple years and the future to break MMA more into the mainstream. Maybe I'm in a different bubble but I feel like there's no actual buzz outside of the MMA world and I've heard absolutely nothing from friends that are casuals...who all were talkin up Ronda's fight at around this point in the week. The UFC did a great job putting together an awesome card that actually held up against injuries more or less...but now they need the actual fights to be barnburners.

- Just finally watched an embedded. LR looks a good bit bigger than he has before. Always ripped but looks like some added size.

I agree with everyone, Weidman can keep forward pressure vs Rockhold because his hand are much better, neutralizing his kicks and Luke's check hook works against fighters rushing in and Weidman always does the opposite he moves in very little steps so I think he will control the octagon as he pleases, but I honestly have no clue what happens when they clinch and that will be very important.

I have no clue what will happen with Jose Aldo and Connor, Aldos gas tank is VERY worrisome, Connor pressures a lot and if this goes the distance Aldo will have nothing past the 3rd round, however Connor is very vulnerable to leg kicks and Aldo has the best kicks in the division or maybe MMA but he throws less and less leg kicks every fight, so Im not convinced he will go for them as much as he should on this fight

@iakim

Totally agree.

Mainstream buzz isn't what I wish it was to this point.

But hey, why would people care about the best card of all time when they could talk about a Feminist Icon who beat up petrified women in the infant stages of WMMA and than got exposed.

I was always hoping Rousey would get exposed but that's partially cause I thought people would care more about real top level fighters. What a stupid expectation of casual fans by me.

That said, whatever floats peoples boat and grows the sport is a good thing, I just hope ESPN decides to give this card due coverage, they control mainstream sports fans.

On December 09 2015 04:54 Baalim wrote: I agree with everyone, Weidman can keep forward pressure vs Rockhold because his hand are much better, neutralizing his kicks and Luke's check hook works against fighters rushing in and Weidman always does the opposite he moves in very little steps so I think he will control the octagon as he pleases, but I honestly have no clue what happens when they clinch and that will be very important. I have no clue what will happen with Jose Aldo and Connor, Aldos gas tank is VERY worrisome, Connor pressures a lot and if this goes the distance Aldo will have nothing past the 3rd round, however Connor is very vulnerable to leg kicks and Aldo has the best kicks in the division or maybe MMA but he throws less and less leg kicks every fight, so Im not convinced he will go for them as much as he should on this fight

Keep in mind Aldo fights wrestlers the vast majority of the time, so leg kicks become more vulnerable. Also he broke his foot in the first round of the KZ fight. But he threw a lot in the lamas, Florian, and Hominick fight.

Aldo > McGregor
Rockhold > Weidman
Yoel > Jacare

You heard it here first

Oh and Edgar > Mendes

^ I think some of us already have those same picks, but it's all good.

On December 09 2015 07:33 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2015 04:54 Baalim wrote: I agree with everyone, Weidman can keep forward pressure vs Rockhold because his hand are much better, neutralizing his kicks and Luke's check hook works against fighters rushing in and Weidman always does the opposite he moves in very little steps so I think he will control the octagon as he pleases, but I honestly have no clue what happens when they clinch and that will be very important. I have no clue what will happen with Jose Aldo and Connor, Aldos gas tank is VERY worrisome, Connor pressures a lot and if this goes the distance Aldo will have nothing past the 3rd round, however Connor is very vulnerable to leg kicks and Aldo has the best kicks in the division or maybe MMA but he throws less and less leg kicks every fight, so Im not convinced he will go for them as much as he should on this fight Keep in mind Aldo fights wrestlers the vast majority of the time, so leg kicks become more vulnerable. Also he broke his foot in the first round of the KZ fight. But he threw a lot in the lamas, Florian, and Hominick fight.

yeah but even taking that into consideration I think he is kicking way less, but i am obviously not sure if it has been planned and he will leg kick connor to death... but also I wouldnt be shocked if he kicked way less than he should

Never seen a prefight presser with Luke so I dunno if he's normally like this before a fight, but he seemed super nervous. Stumbling over his worsts, fidgeting, and his voice getting really high pitched at times.

Conor was actually pretty respectful, even gave Aldo a nod at the end of their staredown, and didn't wear a suit but one of the ugliest shirts ever. Think he's just super focused right now.

Aldo seemed uninterested as always.

Weidman seemed super relaxed.

^ Luke, Conor, and Jose are dealing with their normal weight cut, while Weidman was 193 lbs the other day and has been working on lowering his weight for this fight so he won't have to deal with having to cut a lot of weight like he usually does. IVs were banned on October 1st, so Weidman thought ahead.

I don't think the lack of IV will hurt Rockhold. Conor cuts a lot of weight for his fights, as does Jose, but Conor cuts more, obv.

Anyway, Luke's reaction is standard for him during fight-week.

Mendes looked bored as fuck on that panel.

On December 09 2015 07:38 JonnyCosMo wrote: Aldo > McGregor Rockhold > Weidman Yoel > Jacare You heard it here first

I'm starting to lean Yoel myself, but I'll put one out there since you seem confident and I know you're a poker baller.

If Weidman and McGregor win, you Venmo/Paypal me 500.

If Rockhold and Aldo win, I Venmo/Paypal you 600.

If they split, we call it a wash.

Odds are close to pickem on both fights so I feel like this is fair.

Sup widit? Public call-out.... ooooOOOOoooooHHHH

rockhold, mcgregor, yoel, nelson, edgar. holloway

rockhold is one of those uncanny guys who fight way better than than people give them credit for. if he loses it will only be by a brutal KO

mcgregor is giant for the division, aldo with no brazilian supplements will be exposed, he will get KO'ed

yoel bigger and stronger

nelson same with rockhold

holloway wins by decision

edgar is fighting a midget version of himself

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On December 10 2015 00:40 whamm! wrote: rockhold, mcgregor, yoel, nelson, edgar. holloway rockhold is one of those uncanny guys who fight way better than than people give them credit for. if he loses it will only be by a brutal KO mcgregor is giant for the division, aldo with no brazilian supplements will be exposed, he will get KO'ed yoel bigger and stronger nelson same with rockhold holloway wins by decision edgar is fighting a midget version of himself

I don't think the size difference is as much as you say, but i havent seen them next to each other that i can remember so i could be wrong

On December 09 2015 23:41 PuertoRican wrote: ^ Luke, Conor, and Jose are dealing with their normal weight cut, while Weidman was 193 lbs the other day and has been working on lowering his weight for this fight so he won't have to deal with having to cut a lot of weight like he usually does. IVs were banned on October 1st, so Weidman thought ahead. I don't think the lack of IV will hurt Rockhold. Conor cuts a lot of weight for his fights, as does Jose, but Conor cuts more, obv. Anyway, Luke's reaction is standard for him during fight-week. Mendes looked bored as fuck on that panel.

It's not even that luke seemed drained or irritated or tired, he seemed nervous and anxious as fuck. Someone on Sherdog pointed out he was reading a book on the plane on embedded about dealing with anxiety and depression etc.

I am also excited about this card. Specifically, the Aldo v McGregor fight. CM and coach John Kavanaugh are on to some good shit. Good enough shit to beat Aldo? I don't know. I will sit back and enjoy.

Recently i've mostly been following sober's picks a bit blindly

but there's some of his picks i have serious doubt about.

Weidman -165

RockHold has never lost to anyone except to a flash KO by super TRT vitor.
He even dominated Machida harder than Conor dominated Siver... its saying something imo.


The way i see the fight going is.... weidman will press forward, and most likely look like hes winning the striking, not doing any real damage. RockHold will back away and keep his cool, eat a few shots and play it safe. At some point he will probably attempt kicks, which will either inflict damage or get himself taken down. If he is taken down, it won't be an huge deal. He will take some damage, but it won't be like Weidman vs Vitor. Essentially, during this period, Rockhold will be safe, and might catch WeidMan with something big if WeidMan makes a mistake.

Eventually, as fight will go on, Weidman will slow down and get more tired. At this point, RockHold will get really dangerous, and probably decimate Weidman whatever way he wants. I actually think 5 round fights gives advantage to RockHold.


But the odds got much worse than before. i was really happy about RockHold +150, but now i might consider passing the fight since sober actually thinks Weidman -160 is +EV and i know hes a much better sport better than me. Rockhold +115 isn't that crazy anymore.


Nelson +125

I agree with you, if Nelson gets on bottom, hes in trouble. And i think he will get on bottom, because at welterweight pretty much nobody can stop maia from takin you down. Your only hope against maia is to survive early rounds and then beat him once hes tired as hell, a bit like Rory did. I think Nelson won't be able to do it.

Imo, Maia is like a gate keeper to the top 5, while Gunnar probably isn't even top 10 yet. I think the odds are the way they are because they think Nelson's BJJ will somehow negate Maia's grappling, and Nelson has the edge standing.




One thing i find very interesting is, as a general, the guys who pick RockHold actually respect the guys who pick Weidman, and vice versa. I think most people agree both are really good, and both have a real shot at winning this.

On the other hand, Conor vs ALdo's odds are much closer, but it seems like Conor fans are like "LOL EZ MONEY CONORS NEVER LOSING THIS", while aldo fans are the exact opposite. On that fight, most people are either white or black, while ppl are much more grey for the co-main event.

On December 10 2015 04:50 Floofy wrote: Recently i've mostly been following sober's picks a bit blindly but there's some of his picks i have serious doubt about. Weidman -165 RockHold has never lost to anyone except to a flash KO by super TRT vitor. He even dominated Machida harder than Conor dominated Siver... its saying something imo. The way i see the fight going is.... weidman will press forward, and most likely look like hes winning the striking, not doing any real damage. RockHold will back away and keep his cool, eat a few shots and play it safe. At some point he will probably attempt kicks, which will either inflict damage or get himself taken down. If he is taken down, it won't be an huge deal. He will take some damage, but it won't be like Weidman vs Vitor. Essentially, during this period, Rockhold will be safe, and might catch WeidMan with something big if WeidMan makes a mistake. Eventually, as fight will go on, Weidman will slow down and get more tired. At this point, RockHold will get really dangerous, and probably decimate Weidman whatever way he wants. I actually think 5 round fights gives advantage to RockHold. But the odds got much worse than before. i was really happy about RockHold +150, but now i might consider passing the fight since sober actually thinks Weidman -160 is +EV and i know hes a much better sport better than me. Rockhold +115 isn't that crazy anymore. Nelson +125 I agree with you, if Nelson gets on bottom, hes in trouble. And i think he will get on bottom, because at welterweight pretty much nobody can stop maia from takin you down. Your only hope against maia is to survive early rounds and then beat him once hes tired as hell, a bit like Rory did. I think Nelson won't be able to do it. Imo, Maia is like a gate keeper to the top 5, while Gunnar probably isn't even top 10 yet. I think the odds are the way they are because they think Nelson's BJJ will somehow negate Maia's grappling, and Nelson has the edge standing. One thing i find very interesting is, as a general, the guys who pick RockHold actually respect the guys who pick Weidman, and vice versa. I think most people agree both are really good, and both have a real shot at winning this. On the other hand, Conor vs ALdo's odds are much closer, but it seems like Conor fans are like "LOL EZ MONEY CONORS NEVER LOSING THIS", while aldo fans are the exact opposite. On that fight, most people are either white or black, while ppl are much more grey for the co-main event.

2 things re: weidman vs rockhold. Weidman has NEVER lost. Rockhold has Also, I don't look at the Machida fight and say "rockhold dominated this", i look at it as "rockhold made a bunch of mistakes early, looked very hittable, landed a huge shot that fucked machida up and then he finished him on the ground". Rockhold is a pretty phenomenal grappler, has huge power in a variety of shots, but he is an antiquated striker. he doesnt throw combinations, he looks for one shot at a time, and i dont think his defense is good. meanwhile weidman is just a standard boxer with basic strikes, but he is effective, and has good head movement and defense. I just think he is better than Rockhold at almost everything, and even though Rockhold is super dangerous at everything, I think Weidman is good enough to outclass him in every area, avoid the traps and danger and win.

This fight is super similar to Mendes vs Edgar. I think Edgar is just the better fighter and is facing the better athlete who is a bit more dangerous, and my head just tells me that the better fighter is gonna win. The one difference between these fights is that Mendes has more 1 punch KO power than Rockhold and Edgar is more hittable with defensive lapses than Weidman. So my gut tells me that at some point during the fight Mendes might just waste him. But I get less of a feeling of that in this fight. Completely understand why people bet on Rockhold as a dog, the guy is fucking great at everything, I just think he has some holes, Weidman doesnt, and the stuff Rockhold is absolutely best at (finishing on the ground with a sub) he won't be able to take advantage of due to a wrestling disadvantage.