Either way, whether it's 1:10k or 1:5k (and that's worldwide) is largely irrelevant to my overarching argument of not treating individual muslims with suspicion and fear and not allowing this extreme minority to have definition power over what constitutes Islam. Also, I'm not disputing that terrorism is currently way more prevalent in Islam than for any other group, I'm also not disputing that there would/could be war in the Middle East without western involvement, I'm just trying to showcase that how it currently is is not a historical constant, I already posted about why I find this important.
I can kinda get what you're saying about me not wanting a disconnected, level-headed debate while being dismissive, but like, I at least only think I'm being dismissive of the ideas that you yourself find extreme? I also think you might just not understand what the current European political climate is like, it's extremely heated and polarized, and suggestions such as 'close borders to muslim immigration' has significant traction in various european populations. I'm not claiming that my side is innocent. I think it's problematic how leftist debaters have a tendency to assume that disagreement stems from the moral inferiority of the opposition (whereas I also think it's problematic how the right side tends to assume that disagreement comes from the intellectual inferiority of the opposition ), I'm even sure I have been guilty of this in the past and might occasionally still be guilty of it. And also, I do have an agenda, even if I want to have a honest and open debate, I'm more interested in changing the minds of others than I am of changing my own mind - I do think I'm correct about stuff when I voice my opinion).
lol POKER
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soberstone United States. Dec 05 2015 18:29. Posts 2662
so... the best American Millenial thinker believes in god, free will etc?
it's tough to listen to this dude's anti-left argumentation when he focuses so much on his own biased bs
In my opinion the best Millenial free thinker in the US, yes. And yes he believes in God and Free Will. Does this surprise you? A belief in God is not an indictment nor a boost to ones intellectual resume. The fact that you think this is relevant already tells me a bit about how you believe only Atheists can be ultimately rationale, which is hilarious juvenile non-sense and shows your bias. The best free-thinking Atheist post Christopher Hitchens (who was very good by the way) I've heard is Sam Harris and he's really not a very good philosopher at all.... IMO ofcourse. Ben Shapiro is very open about his bias, who cares? We are all biased, its about intellectual honesty and breaking down the barriers of political correctness and absurd moral platitudes that have no place in reality.
so... the best American Millenial thinker believes in god, free will etc?
it's tough to listen to this dude's anti-left argumentation when he focuses so much on his own biased bs
In my opinion the best Millenial free thinker in the US, yes. And yes he believes in God and Free Will. Does this surprise you? A belief in God is not an indictment nor a boost to ones intellectual resume. The fact that you think this is relevant already tells me a bit about how you believe only Atheists can be ultimately rationale, which is hilarious juvenile non-sense and shows your bias. The best free-thinking Atheist post Christopher Hitchens (who was very good by the way) I've heard is Sam Harris and he's really not a very good philosopher at all.... IMO ofcourse. Ben Shapiro is very open about his bias, who cares? We are all biased, its about intellectual honesty and breaking down the barriers of political correctness and absurd moral platitudes that have no place in reality.
He could be a great thinker, but it's impossible to know from what he says in the link you posted because most of what he says returns to the fact that he's a theist. Allow me to be skeptical of someone's intellectual honesty (or maybe intelligence) when he claims to believe specifically in the Judeo-Christian God. If you are going to believe in something so specific in our times you should at least not take for granted that's it's easy for everyone to arrive to your own conclusions, or that your belief should be a valid starting point for social interaction.
How could a person who self righteously uses both evolution and "soul" in his narrative (assuming he doesn't deny evolution,idk) convince me of having the necessary intellectual honesty to break down the evils that you mention in your post?
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
so... the best American Millenial thinker believes in god, free will etc?
it's tough to listen to this dude's anti-left argumentation when he focuses so much on his own biased bs
In my opinion the best Millenial free thinker in the US, yes. And yes he believes in God and Free Will. Does this surprise you? A belief in God is not an indictment nor a boost to ones intellectual resume.
Except that believing in something that we have no logical or empirical evidence of is by definition irrational.
But indeed not all great minds are immune to indoctrination, but make no mistake, it todays society it is a great statistical indicative of intellect
Just yesterday? False flag, it's the government or Christian/Athiests trying to turn people against refugees
because the perp shouted "..this is for mother syria..." it's not even even wednesday yet. Three people stabbed, one almost beheaded but police were able to taze the guy. Seems like the "radicalized" ones are having a spree and still nobody from their group e.g. moderates, muslim countries like malaysia, indonesia, progressive middle east leaders - no huge comments declarations of support to help fight this thing still? no condemnation or pledge to flush out every terrorist or "radicalized" group in their respective areas. White apologists doing all that for them, and we're the idiots - seems reasonable eh?
Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 07 2015 19:08. Posts 2226
"we could defeat ISIS easily on the battlefield"
"that's exactly what they want"
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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soberstone United States. Dec 08 2015 04:20. Posts 2662
On December 07 2015 18:08 Santafairy wrote:
"we could defeat ISIS easily on the battlefield"
"that's exactly what they want"
The guy is a disgrace. I am so angry at my country for electing this clown a 2nd time. If we had just left a residual force of troops in Iraq instead of pulling them all out for purely political reasons, ISIS would not exist. This is absolute fact. Noone with any real knowledge of the situation from a military intelligence perspective disputes that.
And the leftist argument is always "so what, you want to occupy everywhere forever?". Well, under these circumstances, as a matter of fact we do, just like Germany and Japan, where we have had a military presence since WWII and who are now completely different governments.
I disagree with Bush's decision to invade Hussein's Iraq, but atleast it was based on military intelligence and bi-partisan support (including Hillary Clinton's, who is just wretched)
But the way Obama has handled the situation from Benghazi on wards is the biggest disgrace. Lies, stifling of speech through political correctness, class and race warfare, violating the Constitution at a record rate, sinking our economy with terrible deals and over-regulation, record debt, making stupid awful deals with fucking Iran (who is barely better than ISIS), and abandoning Israel.
Obama plays the hand he was dealt like Hellen Keller at a high stakes NL table and is taking not just the US, but the world down in a flame of shit. We need new leadership ASAP.
One thing about these figures is I'm pretty sure they're only tallying active battlefield combatants.
It's worth noting that ISIS still has full control of Mosul, a city of around 1.5-2kk people. This includes a police force, medical, etc. all run by ISIS.
Sure some of these people might hate ISIS, but I think it's a bit naive to think that they don't have a fair amount of local supporters.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 08 2015 07:08. Posts 2226
the US Terror Watchlist has 1 million people on it
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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soberstone United States. Dec 09 2015 03:28. Posts 2662
so... the best American Millenial thinker believes in god, free will etc?
it's tough to listen to this dude's anti-left argumentation when he focuses so much on his own biased bs
In my opinion the best Millenial free thinker in the US, yes. And yes he believes in God and Free Will. Does this surprise you? A belief in God is not an indictment nor a boost to ones intellectual resume.
Except that believing in something that we have no logical or empirical evidence of is by definition irrational.
But indeed not all great minds are immune to indoctrination, but make no mistake, it todays society it is a great statistical indicative of intellect
Atheists are inherently more rationale than theists? What a hilarious proposition. I'd love to see your statistical proof of such a claim, which I will then rip apart as a mistake in correlation vs causation since most Atheists come from high-income backgrounds and are therefore more likely to be indoctrinated by Secularist mediums like the media and universities.
Belief OR complete disbelief in God is faith-based. Science does nothing, and will never do anything to explain the starting point of the Universe or Human Life - and no, Evolutionary Theory does nothing to prove how Life started. The primordial ooze argument has been completely debunked as junk science. It's a gaping whole in evolutionary theory, among many holes, read up on your science fellas. I'm not a religious person and I do acknowledge that scientific evidence outright shits on literal biblical interpretations, which are only applicable to religious fundamentalists - who we all believe are stupid (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, doesn't matter).
Ben Shapiro is not a Fundamentalist and knows more about science than you or I have forgotten I'd venture to guess. I just think Atheists are hilarious when they think science somehow disproves God. It doesn't and it can't. Just because Religious Fanatics suck doesn't mean we should look down upon all theists. That is the epitome of intolerance, irrationality, and hypocrisy.
No intelligent atheist will ever make the ridiculous claim that science disproves the existence of god, you cannot prove the non-existence of anything, science cant prove there are no leprechauns or ghosts, however there is no evidence of the existence of any god, ghost or leprechaun, therefore the rational position is to not believe.
And that is when I talk about a broad concept of god, when we talk about specific gods with certain traits those may be disproved, for example, an all-loving, all-powerful god that allows innocent children die in agony by the thousands every day cannot exist, also an omniscient god that grants free-will also cannot exist since perfect knowledge of the future denies the concept of free will etc.
And yes, theism should be looked down upon, the same way we should look down upon Astrology, mediums who speak with the dead an the rest of people who believe with no evidence.
so... the best American Millenial thinker believes in god, free will etc?
it's tough to listen to this dude's anti-left argumentation when he focuses so much on his own biased bs
In my opinion the best Millenial free thinker in the US, yes. And yes he believes in God and Free Will. Does this surprise you? A belief in God is not an indictment nor a boost to ones intellectual resume.
Except that believing in something that we have no logical or empirical evidence of is by definition irrational.
But indeed not all great minds are immune to indoctrination, but make no mistake, it todays society it is a great statistical indicative of intellect
Atheists are inherently more rationale than theists? What a hilarious proposition. I'd love to see your statistical proof of such a claim, which I will then rip apart as a mistake in correlation vs causation since most Atheists come from high-income backgrounds and are therefore more likely to be indoctrinated by Secularist mediums like the media and universities.
Belief OR complete disbelief in God is faith-based. Science does nothing, and will never do anything to explain the starting point of the Universe or Human Life - and no, Evolutionary Theory does nothing to prove how Life started. The primordial ooze argument has been completely debunked as junk science. It's a gaping whole in evolutionary theory, among many holes, read up on your science fellas. I'm not a religious person and I do acknowledge that scientific evidence outright shits on literal biblical interpretations, which are only applicable to religious fundamentalists - who we all believe are stupid (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, doesn't matter).
Ben Shapiro is not a Fundamentalist and knows more about science than you or I have forgotten I'd venture to guess. I just think Atheists are hilarious when they think science somehow disproves God. It doesn't and it can't. Just because Religious Fanatics suck doesn't mean we should look down upon all theists. That is the epitome of intolerance, irrationality, and hypocrisy.
Religion is retarded because you have to comply with all the man made bullshit, rituals and dogmas. It's not about believing in a greater life form capable of creation but rather agreeing to give your power to people that can only tell you a ridicolous baseless story without any kind of reasonable proof. You can believe in whatever you want and that's fine but if you believe in somebody's else story made for the sole purpose of gaining money and power at your expense I have the right to think you aren't very bright.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 11 2015 00:28. Posts 6374
“Hug me I am Muslim” is under arrest for bomb threats on MP
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ban baal
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 11 2015 01:36. Posts 2226
"Our foreign policy is not a political issue. It is a matter of life and death. It is a matter of the future of mankind." Harry Truman
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
religion of peace
we should take the higher moral ground
islamophobia is bad
people are scared of terrorists and are missing out on the peaceful muslims
it's their culture it deserves respect even though we have fought for centuries to not be like them
i've never read the quran but i can say with all certainty that it doesn't speak about conquering the world with force, instructing to lie for this purpose, beheading infidels and raping their women and children
all people are equal regardless of what they think and do (this cracks me up every single time. never gets old really)
i could go on forever, dunno some people are funny aren't they :D
how the fuck could you be so dumb? np reality is coming for you aswell very soon dont worry
), I'm even sure I have been guilty of this in the past and might occasionally still be guilty of it. And also, I do have an agenda, even if I want to have a honest and open debate, I'm more interested in changing the minds of others than I am of changing my own mind - I do think I'm correct about stuff when I voice my opinion). 
