On December 11 2015 06:57 ClouD87 wrote:
religion of peace
we should take the higher moral ground
islamophobia is bad
people are scared of terrorists and are missing out on the peaceful muslims
it's their culture it deserves respect even though we have fought for centuries to not be like them
i've never read the quran but i can say with all certainty that it doesn't speak about conquering the world with force, instructing to lie for this purpose, beheading infidels and raping their women and children
all people are equal regardless of what they think and do (this cracks me up every single time. never gets old really)
i could go on forever, dunno some people are funny aren't they :D
how the fuck could you be so dumb? np reality is coming for you aswell very soon dont worry
On December 11 2015 06:57 ClouD87 wrote:
religion of peace
we should take the higher moral ground
islamophobia is bad
people are scared of terrorists and are missing out on the peaceful muslims
it's their culture it deserves respect even though we have fought for centuries to not be like them
i've never read the quran but i can say with all certainty that it doesn't speak about conquering the world with force, instructing to lie for this purpose, beheading infidels and raping their women and children
all people are equal regardless of what they think and do (this cracks me up every single time. never gets old really)
i could go on forever, dunno some people are funny aren't they :D
how the fuck could you be so dumb? np reality is coming for you aswell very soon dont worry
who are you talking to?
Nobody in particular, I was reading some forums and watching some youtube videos very late at night and just wrote a silly post that reflects my feelings towards people who think islam is not a serious issue.
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YoMeR United States. Dec 12 2015 20:35. Posts 12435
"we could defeat ISIS easily on the battlefield"
"that's exactly what they want"
The guy is a disgrace. I am so angry at my country for electing this clown a 2nd time. If we had just left a residual force of troops in Iraq instead of pulling them all out for purely political reasons, ISIS would not exist. This is absolute fact. Noone with any real knowledge of the situation from a military intelligence perspective disputes that.
And the leftist argument is always "so what, you want to occupy everywhere forever?". Well, under these circumstances, as a matter of fact we do, just like Germany and Japan, where we have had a military presence since WWII and who are now completely different governments.
I disagree with Bush's decision to invade Hussein's Iraq, but atleast it was based on military intelligence and bi-partisan support (including Hillary Clinton's, who is just wretched)
But the way Obama has handled the situation from Benghazi on wards is the biggest disgrace. Lies, stifling of speech through political correctness, class and race warfare, violating the Constitution at a record rate, sinking our economy with terrible deals and over-regulation, record debt, making stupid awful deals with fucking Iran (who is barely better than ISIS), and abandoning Israel.
Obama plays the hand he was dealt like Hellen Keller at a high stakes NL table and is taking not just the US, but the world down in a flame of shit. We need new leadership ASAP.
yea fuck obama. let's get donald trump in on this action. He'll have the answers!
eZ Life.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 13 2015 15:47. Posts 6374
"we could defeat ISIS easily on the battlefield"
"that's exactly what they want"
The guy is a disgrace. I am so angry at my country for electing this clown a 2nd time. If we had just left a residual force of troops in Iraq instead of pulling them all out for purely political reasons, ISIS would not exist. This is absolute fact. Noone with any real knowledge of the situation from a military intelligence perspective disputes that.
And the leftist argument is always "so what, you want to occupy everywhere forever?". Well, under these circumstances, as a matter of fact we do, just like Germany and Japan, where we have had a military presence since WWII and who are now completely different governments.
I disagree with Bush's decision to invade Hussein's Iraq, but atleast it was based on military intelligence and bi-partisan support (including Hillary Clinton's, who is just wretched)
But the way Obama has handled the situation from Benghazi on wards is the biggest disgrace. Lies, stifling of speech through political correctness, class and race warfare, violating the Constitution at a record rate, sinking our economy with terrible deals and over-regulation, record debt, making stupid awful deals with fucking Iran (who is barely better than ISIS), and abandoning Israel.
Obama plays the hand he was dealt like Hellen Keller at a high stakes NL table and is taking not just the US, but the world down in a flame of shit. We need new leadership ASAP.
yea fuck obama. let's get donald trump in on this action. He'll have the answers!
Hard to believe Trump actually says these things lol
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 13 2015 19:18. Posts 2226
what's hard to believe is that almost every douchebag in late night "comedy" now listens to the network and producers going "yeah you know what tv needs? another guy preaching politics into the camera behind a desk, that'll be hilarious"
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On December 13 2015 18:18 Santafairy wrote:
what's hard to believe is that almost every douchebag in late night "comedy" now listens to the network and producers going "yeah you know what tv needs? another guy preaching politics into the camera behind a desk, that'll be hilarious"
wonder if this is somewhat of a John Oliver effect considering his show's ratings hit the roof and they might capitalize on his 3 months break
and actually as i've mentioned this i just remembered i watched his last episode yesterday and dogmeat you should too to seewhats up with refugees to terrorism/crime ratio ( if i remember correctly you were all for banning migrants )
edit: since i doubt you ll download and watch it - since 9/11 in the USA - 800, 000 migrants from such regions have come out of which only 3 were arrested due to terrorism activities concern
yet in the EU we have this propaganda where its like every 3rd migrant/refugee is a terrorist
Last edit: 14/12/2015 02:47
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 14 2015 13:09. Posts 6374
On December 14 2015 01:22 Spitfiree wrote:
yet in the EU we have this propaganda where its like every 3rd migrant/refugee is a terrorist
id like see to that, thou all i can see are deep stories about the pilgrimage of these poor souls
i cant fathom how you can be so oblivious to millions of ppl without identity breaking laws, crossing borders ilegally, destroying property, using violence. over 200k refugees got lost before registration in germany. 200k unknowns, possibly terrorists, murderers, rapists, criminals, infected with various diseases (20% hiv, 20% hepatitis, etc) and i m not even talking about the impossibility of intergating 1M ppl a year (80% males), while they werent even capable of integrating 2nd and 3rd generation offsprings of LEGAL immingrants from 60s. or that they are carrying their idiotic mediaval culture. im terrified by governments not enforcing laws.
your 3 out of 800k argument is laughable, do you think they have resources to monitor that many ppl? secret services are officialy operating with 5% radicals, 3% capable of commiting violent acts. but i guess you know better. even if its 0.1%, no sane person can justify letting them in. they should be concentrated in camps on the border
the vast majority of muslims supports sharia (obv since its one of the key elements of islam), this is confirmed by various pools. and 95+% of ppl from afghanistan and pakistan think stoning women is right. i d love them as fellow citizens, are you retarded?
lol still the terrorists argument, really? the terrorist incidents aren't nearly as scary as the constant violence that muslims are increasingly bringing to europe. my gf lives near a mosque she's afraid as fuck to get out of home alone to not get raped, tell me if this is normal to you spitfiree
Dogmeat If you d download and watch the video you ll be amazed what resources they have.
Agree with you ClouD about violence however your gf either lives in a ghetto or is super naive. Are you telling me muslims are waiting for women to rape and beat in front of mosques as a default ? Funny I've been pretty much all around Europe, but nah fuck that I've been to Istanbul and the asian part of Turkey and yet even there nothing like that would be common. As a default muslims are obviously more violent however you wont beat radicalism with radicalism which is what dogmeat suggests
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 14 2015 19:32. Posts 2226
On December 13 2015 19:35 lebowski wrote:
yeah, let's not listen to what Trump's saying, let's focus on those who make fun of him, they're more important
what's funny is that i didn't mention trump :D i'm talking about the jon stewartification of television. every chump on tv now sits at a desk telling everyone how to be oh so progressive. on every issue and every non-issue. or did you think that video was funny? or... did you think it was educational? because i don't think it's good comedy or good politics
but i agree, let's listen to trump, not lazy comics reaching for material every week parroting the same garbage. trump says illegal immigration is bad, i think that's pretty uncontroversial but to each his own. you shouldn't ridicule the state of politics in the USA if you can't see how the media is culpable for people being unable to think like adults
on topic it seems like nothing more than foolish optimism to think if you just let people into your country from a violent and backwards place that they'll as a group suddenly be more well behaved than they were back home, let alone more well behaved than the locals. that seems to me like just maybe it should be an important factor in whether they deserve to be there in the first place
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Dec 14 2015 19:44. Posts 3093
Come on now. You know people aren't going after Trump for saying 'illegal immigration is bad'.
In fact, you yourself, in this very thread, 10 days ago, stated that 'Closing borders to Muslim immigration is an extreme proposition, one that will probably never become reality'. But then that is pretty much exactly what trump proposed to do, less than a week after you described it as extreme. That you now characterize trump's platform as 'saying illegal immigration is bad' (when there are virtually no people who state the opposite, that illegal immigration is good) seems disingenious coming from you. (I mean that as a compliment, because I think you're too smart to accidentally think that is the part of his platform people criticize. )
lol POKER
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 14 2015 20:06. Posts 2226
we've seen for weeks people and the media calling him racist, he hates latinos, and so forth
progressives go after anyything they can foment outrage about
and now people are calling him hitler, like i'm supposed to be worked up that a leading political candidate said something outrageous, something that i indeed think would probably not actually happen, 11 months before election day?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Dec 14 2015 20:08. Posts 6374
On December 14 2015 18:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Dogmeat If you d download and watch the video you ll be amazed what resources they have.
Agree with you ClouD about violence however your gf either lives in a ghetto or is super naive. Are you telling me muslims are waiting for women to rape and beat in front of mosques as a default ? Funny I've been pretty much all around Europe, but nah fuck that I've been to Istanbul and the asian part of Turkey and yet even there nothing like that would be common. As a default muslims are obviously more violent however you wont beat radicalism with radicalism which is what dogmeat suggests
how many muslims live in us? 10M? 50M? you are funny
also love how you havent adressed any of my points, stick to raging in hh section
ban baal
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Dec 14 2015 20:33. Posts 3093
On December 14 2015 19:06 Santafairy wrote:
we've seen for weeks people and the media calling him racist, he hates latinos, and so forth
progressives go after anyything they can foment outrage about
and now people are calling him hitler, like i'm supposed to be worked up that a leading political candidate said something outrageous, something that i indeed think would probably not actually happen, 11 months before election day?
I don't like the labelling of political opponents, and I hate that we (and as someone who identifies as the political left, I honestly think we have been more guilty of this than the right) tend to equate political beliefs with morality. (The right on the other hand, imo equally stupidly, equates political stance with intelligence - but that's besides the point. ) I think these natural inclinations of people on both sides of the debate are huge detractors from what could be a fruitful debate - but when leftists turn it into an issue of morality and rightists turn it into an issue of intelligence, they just cement already established views because it's much harder to change your opinion when your original opinion derived from 'I was a selfish immoral/amoral jerk' or 'I was stupid' rather than 'I just didn't know enough about the issue'.
So honestly, I'm not fully disagreeing with what you are saying here. But I think you're wrong specifically about Trump. Trump was never attacked for 'disliking illegal immigrants' - he was initially attacked for describing mexicans as rapists, for stating that mexico sends their rapists to the US, and for stating that he would build a giant wall which he would make Mexico pay for. And while I think the Hitler comparison is off by a couple magnitudes (Hitler is not notorious for branding the Jews, he's notorious for attempting to exterminate them), you yourself described the very policy recommendation of his that has received most criticism as extreme - just that this was before he actually made the suggestion.
