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Nitewin   United States. Sep 28 2015 04:45. Posts 1552 | | |
Take % of profit as payment instead of cash upfront? I can probably grind 100k in 1/2 in a year (I did 16k in one month last year but ran into some turbulence and have really slowed down/stopped playing) if I really put the hours in. I'm looking to move up and understand the math behind poker better, to the tee. I'm also interested in how you live/improving lifestyle. I remember you saying something along the lines of, "the biggest mistake a poker player can make is not traveling because it's the best advantage to having your own hours." |
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Ryan Neilly   United States. Sep 28 2015 05:44. Posts 1644 | | |
Snapcall this deal if u are serious about improving your poker game and have the extra income.
I did a few sessions with him in the past, and he is the best coach i've had in my years of playing... i've had like 10-15 of them.
its not about how he discets hands or ne thing like that, its more about his perfect theory + an approach thats very simplistic.
if i had 2500 extra sittin around i'd take that 10 hours lol ;P maybe soon Pete good post
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 28 2015 06:35. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 28 2015 03:45 Nitewin wrote:
Take % of profit as payment instead of cash upfront? I can probably grind 100k in 1/2 in a year (I did 16k in one month last year but ran into some turbulence and have really slowed down/stopped playing) if I really put the hours in. I'm looking to move up and understand the math behind poker better, to the tee. I'm also interested in how you live/improving lifestyle. I remember you saying something along the lines of, "the biggest mistake a poker player can make is not traveling because it's the best advantage to having your own hours." |
I haven't really given that idea much thought. I tell you what... put together a write up for me about yourself, about your past results, about your recent results, make a pitch to me, and send it in PM and I'll consider it.
Haha I didn't actually say that quote! You must be confusing me with someone else. |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 28 2015 06:35. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 28 2015 04:44 Ryan Neilly wrote:
Snapcall this deal if u are serious about improving your poker game and have the extra income.
I did a few sessions with him in the past, and he is the best coach i've had in my years of playing... i've had like 10-15 of them.
its not about how he discets hands or ne thing like that, its more about his perfect theory + an approach thats very simplistic.
if i had 2500 extra sittin around i'd take that 10 hours lol ;P maybe soon Pete good post
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Thanks a lot Ryan, always appreciate the positive things you say about me. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Sep 28 2015 07:49. Posts 4742 | | |
And as long as you keep crushing the games, he'll keep saying good things!! |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Sep 28 2015 07:52. Posts 4742 | | |
Is it allowed if several low stakes people, "ship" in and to get coaching as a unit? Is that allowed?
Some years back when I did some Sc2 coaching, I used to charge around 30bucks or so, then a guy asked if him and 2 of his mates could pay for a few hours together. But maybe more stressful in Poker? |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 28 2015 08:20. Posts 34305 | | |
Ive seen those "winnings" deal and they are a mother fucking pain for both parties, I understand it feels way better to pay with imaginary money on future profits but believe me its not a good deal for you.
Paying in cash is by far the best option even if it hurts more.
By the way the price seems pretty fair |
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TimDawg   United States. Sep 28 2015 08:23. Posts 10197 | | |
i'll be sending you a PM sometime in next few days probably |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 28 2015 09:17. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 28 2015 06:52 Mariuslol wrote:
Is it allowed if several low stakes people, "ship" in and to get coaching as a unit? Is that allowed?
Some years back when I did some Sc2 coaching, I used to charge around 30bucks or so, then a guy asked if him and 2 of his mates could pay for a few hours together. But maybe more stressful in Poker? |
Okay here's what you do ... you and the other guys in the group pool together like 30-40 hand history in like HH format, then you can send that to me, then I'll send the video back to you and you can distribute it among yourselves. |
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AndrewSong   United States. Sep 28 2015 13:26. Posts 2355 | | |
| On September 28 2015 07:20 Baalim wrote:
Ive seen those "winnings" deal and they are a mother fucking pain for both parties, I understand it feels way better to pay with imaginary money on future profits but believe me its not a good deal for you.
Paying in cash is by far the best option even if it hurts more.
By the way the price seems pretty fair |
I think there's more financial incentive for a profit share. All my experience in coaching was in form of profit share/staking and I've made a lot more than I ever would coaching a single player for x hours. If the person your coaching is sharp, he's gonna suck a lot out of you in the first two hours of coaching. After that it's mostly Skype chat on hand history discussions which can be fun and also productive for yourself. I guess it entirely depends on the person your coaching and how ahead of the reg pool your strategy is. Either way if he's already a solid winning player at his stakes, he's going to net you a lot more by being committed long term vs buying couple hours and never coming back. |
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PoorUser   United States. Sep 28 2015 17:33. Posts 7472 | | |
| On September 28 2015 12:26 AndrewSong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 07:20 Baalim wrote:
Ive seen those "winnings" deal and they are a mother fucking pain for both parties, I understand it feels way better to pay with imaginary money on future profits but believe me its not a good deal for you.
Paying in cash is by far the best option even if it hurts more.
By the way the price seems pretty fair |
I think there's more financial incentive for a profit share. All my experience in coaching was in form of profit share/staking and I've made a lot more than I ever would coaching a single player for x hours. If the person your coaching is sharp, he's gonna suck a lot out of you in the first two hours of coaching. After that it's mostly Skype chat on hand history discussions which can be fun and also productive for yourself. I guess it entirely depends on the person your coaching and how ahead of the reg pool your strategy is. Either way if he's already a solid winning player at his stakes, he's going to net you a lot more by being committed long term vs buying couple hours and never coming back.
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 28 2015 18:35. Posts 9634 | | |
| On September 28 2015 16:33 PoorUser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 12:26 AndrewSong wrote:
| On September 28 2015 07:20 Baalim wrote:
Ive seen those "winnings" deal and they are a mother fucking pain for both parties, I understand it feels way better to pay with imaginary money on future profits but believe me its not a good deal for you.
Paying in cash is by far the best option even if it hurts more.
By the way the price seems pretty fair |
I think there's more financial incentive for a profit share. All my experience in coaching was in form of profit share/staking and I've made a lot more than I ever would coaching a single player for x hours. If the person your coaching is sharp, he's gonna suck a lot out of you in the first two hours of coaching. After that it's mostly Skype chat on hand history discussions which can be fun and also productive for yourself. I guess it entirely depends on the person your coaching and how ahead of the reg pool your strategy is. Either way if he's already a solid winning player at his stakes, he's going to net you a lot more by being committed long term vs buying couple hours and never coming back.
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agreed. always felt like pricing poker coaching was so difficult because hours 1-2 are probably worth 10x of 9-10. |
It's really person dependant I think, if the guy has strong fundamentals then you're totally right though. |
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DragOn_   Canada. Sep 28 2015 19:50. Posts 214 | | |
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LURPED   United States. Sep 28 2015 22:08. Posts 76 | | |
This is the best thing i've seen in a while. TY Peter
You must be on way better shit than you used to get because you are HIGH as a kite |
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lhr0909   China. Sep 29 2015 00:42. Posts 423 | | |
Hey Peter,
I want to get better at poker, have disposable income, but I basically just started (again), what would be good advice (study material) for me to get up to a level where I can get more benefit from getting coaching from you? Other words - would you coach a dude to get better at poker even he is playing 2nl? |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 01:15. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 28 2015 21:08 LURPED wrote:
This is the best thing i've seen in a while. TY Peter
You must be on way better shit than you used to get because you are HIGH as a kite |
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What do you mean? |
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LURPED   United States. Sep 29 2015 01:26. Posts 76 | | |
BIG Pete anyone good knows that allin EV accounts for like 30% of actual variance maximum...if ur allin-ev winrate is only 5bb/100 on bovada then you really can't be that good at all considering how soft it is. im beating 10/20 for 10bb/100 this yr with out batting an eye...these poor kids who play 25NL on stars and look up to u r probably better players lol Stop trying to scam them |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 01:57. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 29 2015 00:26 LURPED wrote:
BIG Pete anyone good knows that allin EV accounts for like 30% of actual variance maximum...if ur allin-ev winrate is only 5bb/100 on bovada then you really can't be that good at all considering how soft it is. im beating 10/20 for 10bb/100 this yr with out batting an eye...these poor kids who play 25NL on stars and look up to u r probably better players lol Stop trying to scam them |
All your estimations are very far off. 30% of variance? You can't have a clue of this number. 25nl games on stars tougher than 2knl on american sites? right....
You are just looking for an excuse to brag. I don't know anybody beating them for 10bb now, you show no proof and you probably are sunrunning if the real number is anything close to 10bb/100. And calling me a scammer? If the rest of your post wasn't so ridiculous I'd take this very personally. I could bring back up that thing you and Dan did to me years ago if I really need to discredit you....
This isn't a competition markus, you're really still trying to show me up after all these years? |
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asdf2000   United States. Sep 29 2015 02:22. Posts 7708 | | |
u guys used to love each other |
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LURPED   United States. Sep 29 2015 02:22. Posts 76 | | |
I'm not bragging and I don't make blogs every time i upswing on the softest site like u do.....all the regs on bovada are terrible i guess you're one of them Lol. and getting my friend who is way worse than me at poker to punt u 8 of my buyins heads up isn't a scam...(it was a troll) but u constantly acting like ur gods gift to poker because u win money on a soft site is.... Proof http://i.imgur.com/6pDRdoL.png Maybe, I should start coaching! Guys ill charge half of what BIG Pete is charging you. |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Sep 29 2015 02:42. Posts 6374 | | |
| On September 28 2015 00:22 MARSHALL28 wrote:I'm well versed in theoretical play, as well as practical applications. |
yet you come up with crap like "cbet 88+ 90% of time on J66rb BvB""
i think its overpriced, not just this offer but coaching in general |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 02:48. Posts 1904 | | |
God's gift to poker? I don't even know what you're saying. I'm trying to improve and I'm trying to get a group of people together who also want to improve. I'm not proud of these results. I haven't posted any results online in at least 3 years, maybe more. The funny thing is, if I didn't post the results I get called a scammer, but now apparently if I post the results I get called a scammer too.
Doesn't matter if he was worse than you, you deceived me into thinking I was playing you. If he was so much worse at the time don't know why you would need to do that.
And if you really want to talk about a 30k hand sample being meaningful ...
http://prntscr.com/8lngso
http://prntscr.com/8lnh7p
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Highcard   Canada. Sep 29 2015 03:00. Posts 5428 | | |
based on the coaching commitment and not just hit and run 1 hour, I think it is a fair deal |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 03:21. Posts 1904 | | |
Oh look, here's a 3rd 30k sample from just this year running almost @ 10bb....
http://prntscr.com/8lnp4a
Oh wait, I know you're about to argue that you're playing in higher stakes so the games are tougher, right?
Too bad you just said they are equivalent to 25nl on stars.
If you weren't so childish and such a hater, we could still be friends Markus. |
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Skoal   Canada. Sep 29 2015 12:31. Posts 460 | | |
https://gyazo.com/bc309ed6b7a7cef7ce3fc7f5065f71e5
these are your stats from mainsteam sites in the past 2-3 years
aka you have no volume on any mainstream sites, aka you cannot coach people for these games as you are not a winner in them. 25NL on stars is a huge slow profitless grind these days, but on bovada there are massive punters at all stakes all the time
all of your winnings are from american sites filled with fish, and while poker theory still applies, its very simplified and situational based because you're playing against a population with limited stats and reads... and your results are much less than impressive...
in the comments section of one of your RunItOnce videos you got caught being completely clueless about math/gametheory while attempting to sound smart...and if anyone looks closely at your HHs posted on this site or your comments on other peoples HHs, it is very clear that you're a poser trying to appear good
it is a free market however, so good luck to you in charging gold for copper
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Sep 29 2015 12:50. Posts 15163 | | |
So I've had lots of fun in Prague with Marshall, and he looked at my play a few months back. And if you have me on Skype or read my HHS can probably see that I'm still working on the stuff he's pointed out months back, during a single session (specifically actual approach to solid range driven mindset at the tables, not just in forum douchiness; defending the BB Correctly, post flop sizings...)
So yeah I won't bother getting into discussions about coaching rates etc. I've never paid for coaching myself as this is such a great community we have here and people help each other out, but looking back there's no way getting even just an hour wouldn't be +ev for me in the long run. |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 13:21. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 29 2015 11:31 Skoal wrote:
https://gyazo.com/bc309ed6b7a7cef7ce3fc7f5065f71e5
these are your stats from mainsteam sites in the past 2-3 years
aka you have no volume on any mainstream sites, aka you cannot coach people for these games as you are not a winner in them. 25NL on stars is a huge slow profitless grind these days, but on bovada there are massive punters at all stakes all the time
all of your winnings are from american sites filled with fish, and while poker theory still applies, its very simplified and situational based because you're playing against a population with limited stats and reads... and your results are much less than impressive...
in the comments section of one of your RunItOnce videos you got caught being completely clueless about math/gametheory while attempting to sound smart...and if anyone looks closely at your HHs posted on this site or your comments on other peoples HHs, it is very clear that you're a poser trying to appear good
it is a free market however, so good luck to you in charging gold for copper
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More haters coming out of the woodworks,huh? This feels like such a waste of time to me to sit here and address such an inane argument.
If the games I'm playing in are so easy, why am I the only one posting HH's of 1k and 2knl? Nobody else even posts 400nl hands and there are a lot of people who play poker on this site. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
Also, of course everybody disagrees with my plays, they all play lower stakes! If we all agreed, I'd probably be playing low stakes too, pretty common sense.
I don't even get why so many ppl hate on me every time I make any kind of blog post. I think I'm doing everybody here a favor, I try to give to the community, I share a lot of free strategy here. These kinds of posts, along with dogmeat's make me not really want to continue to do that. Why try to help people who just hate on me? Maybe I'm the stupid one.
My results are unimpressive huh? Let's see your results.
Oh, lol since beating one site 5/10 over a large sample means I can't beat .25/.5 on European sites.....
My results from euro sites this year....
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Skoal   Canada. Sep 29 2015 13:46. Posts 460 | | |
scam em
hear the truth
call em hataz
u always did want to be a rapper i guess |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Sep 29 2015 14:49. Posts 6374 | | |
i have to sincerely apologize, my previous post was way out of line
it was JJ5 which makes it even worse
https://www.liquidpoker.net/h/1057103
[ ] well versed in theoretical play
[ ] as well as practical applications
[x] fck meth math
i surely do not want to miss out on your "free" strategy, where you just pull random numbers out of ur ass to sound sophisticated. but i guess ppl cant call on obv bs these days
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FrinkX   United States. Sep 29 2015 14:59. Posts 7562 | | |
"If the games I'm playing in are so easy, why am I the only one posting HH's of 1k and 2knl? Nobody else even posts 400nl hands and there are a lot of people who play poker on this site. Your argument doesn't make any sense."
Perhaps the others arent as insecure as u and dont feel the need to brag to the low stakes players left on this site
"Also, of course everybody disagrees with my plays, they all play lower stakes! If we all agreed, I'd probably be playing low stakes too, pretty common sense."
Its like we all graduated and you stayed back a couple years and became the cool kid. Big fish small pond lol
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 29 2015 15:11. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 29 2015 13:59 FrinkX wrote:
"If the games I'm playing in are so easy, why am I the only one posting HH's of 1k and 2knl? Nobody else even posts 400nl hands and there are a lot of people who play poker on this site. Your argument doesn't make any sense."
Perhaps the others arent as insecure as u and dont feel the need to brag to the low stakes players left on this site
"Also, of course everybody disagrees with my plays, they all play lower stakes! If we all agreed, I'd probably be playing low stakes too, pretty common sense."
Its like we all graduated and you stayed back a couple years and became the cool kid. Big fish small pond lol
Impeccable arguments as always |
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lebowski   Greece. Sep 29 2015 16:17. Posts 9205 | | |
in the old days this would go down in a big HU battle (again)
but times are probably too nitty |
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 29 2015 21:16. Posts 10468 | | |
dude there are several of us making a living from bovada games. if you notice on 2+2, people just don't want to talk about it. Why blow up a goldmine. Everyone knows bovada is softer than stars but they don't necessarily know how much softer so people aren't all necessarily flooding over from stars because stars has its own advantages. But if we go about talking about how msnl/hsnl there is the same as micros on mainstream sites (Lets not get into this but I am positive the top 25 reg on stars would win anywhere on bovada- Some people aren't capitalized for whatever reason). Bovada is largely a sportsbetting casino so fish can pop up anywhere. Marshall is good; but iono about that whole building a community thing when you are charging 400 an hour. If people see value in it though go for it because it will likely make you better.
I used to play on Cake poker and it used to be the best, word spread and it wasn't so great anymore. That isn't really happening on Bovada right now because of the table cap (Do top grinders circumvent this?) im guessing but it could |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 29 2015 21:48. Posts 9634 | | |
lol at comparing 25nl stars to 1knl anywhere
and lol at attacks on Marshall
30% stnd deviation at 120k hands? holy shit you have to be the worst statistician ever
random attacks -> Marshall posts solid 150k overall stats ---> random attacks again
get ur shit together
though yeah that " ofc they agree with me cuz they play lower stakes " is ridiculous, i agree with about 20% of the stuff you said in the QQ thread tbh |
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handbanana21   United States. Sep 30 2015 00:34. Posts 3037 | | |
Prove you can beat stars at a good clip, and you are legit. Otherwise you will not be taken very seriously. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Sep 30 2015 01:09. Posts 4742 | | |
Won't carry much weight, but I played for 6-7 weeks 6 months ago. And I coached 2 people who grinded 100nl on Bovada xD. It's rouhgly around 5nl on Stars or so. Hard to say, usually you have 2 targets on every table, sometimes whale'like fishes. (Maybe it gets much, much harder higher up, or it just takes times. Seems like 100nl Bovada is super profitable for people who ain't that good though).
Not saying I'm good, I was beating 25nl zoom, but nothing amazing, and kept donking it off on 50nl, rinse repeat a month before getting tired. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Sep 30 2015 01:10. Posts 4742 | | |
Oh, and I think this can be easily resolved, all we need is a HU battle between longple vs Marshall!! Gogogogo, yay |
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MiPwnYa   Brasil. Sep 30 2015 03:42. Posts 5230 | | |
| On September 29 2015 23:34 handbanana21 wrote:
Prove you can beat stars at a good clip, and you are legit. Otherwise you will not be taken very seriously. |
yea just play 100k hands on stars $3/$6+ and be done with it, if anything playing in tougher games will prob improve your game |
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Rinny   United States. Sep 30 2015 03:58. Posts 600 | | |
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handbanana21   United States. Sep 30 2015 04:13. Posts 3037 | | |
he is def better than some of those coaches in the 2+2 listings. His price range is reasonable, I just think he should preface by saying hes not a stars reg, because obv everyone is going to want to know that. (I know that sounds silly, but you would be insane to go to a non stars reg for 2/4+ coaching, so it saves everyone the trouble of asking) |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 30 2015 06:19. Posts 9634 | | |
Is there a way for non americans to play on Bovada ? |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 30 2015 06:47. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 30 2015 03:13 handbanana21 wrote:
he is def better than some of those coaches in the 2+2 listings. His price range is reasonable, I just think he should preface by saying hes not a stars reg, because obv everyone is going to want to know that. (I know that sounds silly, but you would be insane to go to a non stars reg for 2/4+ coaching, so it saves everyone the trouble of asking) |
understood.
i did post 30k hands of 888/party tho obviously that doesn't mean a whole lot. |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 30 2015 06:53. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 30 2015 02:55 Rapoza wrote:
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Prove you can beat stars at a good clip, and you are legit. Otherwise you will not be taken very seriously. |
I proposed the same thing 2 years ago and i got flamed lol.
He obviously wont do it, the same way he declined Andrewsong HU challenge.
Just to make things clear: its not a hate post, just facts.
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I don't take this as an attack, you are posting facts.
I think it'd be pretty idiotic of me to purposefully choose to play in tougher games where I won't win as much money just to satisfy 'ego' or you guys who don't take me seriously.
You aren't required to take me seriously. Just ignore the post, nobody is pushing anything on you or pressuring you to do anything.
I guess a lot of guys don't have much else better to do with their time than try to attack others on the internet. |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 30 2015 07:11. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 29 2015 20:16 traxamillion wrote:
dude there are several of us making a living from bovada games. if you notice on 2+2, people just don't want to talk about it. Why blow up a goldmine. Everyone knows bovada is softer than stars but they don't necessarily know how much softer so people aren't all necessarily flooding over from stars because stars has its own advantages. But if we go about talking about how msnl/hsnl there is the same as micros on mainstream sites (Lets not get into this but I am positive the top 25 reg on stars would win anywhere on bovada- Some people aren't capitalized for whatever reason). Bovada is largely a sportsbetting casino so fish can pop up anywhere. Marshall is good; but iono about that whole building a community thing when you are charging 400 an hour. If people see value in it though go for it because it will likely make you better.
I used to play on Cake poker and it used to be the best, word spread and it wasn't so great anymore. That isn't really happening on Bovada right now because of the table cap (Do top grinders circumvent this?) im guessing but it could |
Am i being trolled here? I'd expect a post like this from dogmeat.
It seems the average person thinks it's so easy that you can play while being blind and win money. I guess you think the same thing since you said "but I am positive the top 25 reg on stars would win anywhere on bovada" which is a pretty ridiculous statement.
And I'm not charging 400/hr. It's closer to 250/hr. I'm charging 400 for 1 hour because as was already stated by pooruser, the first hour is worth significantly more than the ensuing ones. |
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careface_   Canada. Sep 30 2015 08:29. Posts 788 | | |
No disrespect or anything, but the NL25 and NL1000 comparaison is actually pretty accurate. I don't really know how you can be so delusionnal Marshall and not see that, no offence. But money is money, who cares. it's just that the guy who said that, is actually correct. |
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MARSHALL28   United States. Sep 30 2015 09:24. Posts 1904 | | |
| On September 30 2015 07:29 careface_ wrote:
No disrespect or anything, but the NL25 and NL1000 comparaison is actually pretty accurate. I don't really know how you can be so delusionnal Marshall and not see that, no offence. But money is money, who cares. it's just that the guy who said that, is actually correct. |
I have to stop getting involved in this, it's such a massive waste of my time. So many of you guys have these preconceived notions that are completely uninformed and misguided. I think probably the truth is that you lie to yourselves in order to make yourselves feel better about your own station and not being able to win at the level that you wish that you could or for whatever shortcomings and insecurities you might have but don't like.
I'm not saying all of you guys are like this, but quite a few are. It makes a bit more sense to me now why I'm getting so much hate. Are more than half of you even playing poker professionally?
I'm not sure why you guys think you understand what's even going on at the bovada 5/10 tables, particularly since the times I post hands, half of you guys can't even tell if I'm bluffing or value betting.
I think that for a lot of you guys, if you don't do a lot of introspection and work on yourselves, you can expect to live very unsatisfying lives.
I'm going to minimize the amount I contribute from here on out, I'd like to be able to have a part in the community, but I think we just have too little in common.
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AndrewSong   United States. Sep 30 2015 11:24. Posts 2355 | | |
Late to the party here but I guess I have no point keeping this on the low since I don't play poker anymore but I facecrushed 10/20 bovada to the point where they told me to take my business elsewhere and the same again on bodog(thank u Marshall I owe u big time). I maxed cashed out for a year without a break and it took them quite awhile to cash my remaining balance even after my ban. I also did pretty well on other major euro sites but it wasn't the same after party/ipoker/micro removed 10/20+. However stars is another beast. Yes, a lot of the same top dogs on Stars grind these sites but its just different. Stars is the major league of poker. I've done the whole Stars tour twice and battled hard trying to win king of the hill spot and I'm not shamed to say that I failed pretty hard. There's over whelming amount of world class players ready to get bloody for the seat. This is not to say that bovada is that soft, the 25nl comparison to 5/10nl bovada can't be serious. Some of the regs on bovada are world class with lots of 2nd tier pros that would win in stars line up with a mark. It's just softer because there's higher odds of striking a punter on the table and I'm pretty sure me, Marshall, Markus or whoever that played poker to this level can win in healthy clip in any line up with just one punter. |
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AndrewSong   United States. Sep 30 2015 11:41. Posts 2355 | | |
also I think his price is fair and might even have more value depending on how you work. It even has have hidden value if you don't have big network of good players, you might be able to charm him and gain someone to discuss hands forever for couple buyins.
if ur already solving poker by mining hands and running sims, ur probably better off keep running the sims. just being brutally honest cuz I don't giv a fk |
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cariadon   Estonia. Sep 30 2015 14:20. Posts 4019 | | |
I have no idea what sort of enlightenment Marshall can inflict upon a person who has played thousands of hours of poker in just a few hours. |
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careface_   Canada. Sep 30 2015 18:02. Posts 788 | | |
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careface_   Canada. Sep 30 2015 18:06. Posts 788 | | |
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LURPED   United States. Sep 30 2015 18:10. Posts 76 | | |
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I have to stop getting involved in this, it's such a massive waste of my time. So many of you guys have these preconceived notions that are completely uninformed and misguided. I think probably the truth is that you lie to yourselves in order to make yourselves feel better about your own station and not being able to win at the level that you wish that you could or for whatever shortcomings and insecurities you might have but don't like.
I'm not saying all of you guys are like this, but quite a few are. It makes a bit more sense to me now why I'm getting so much hate. Are more than half of you even playing poker professionally?
I'm not sure why you guys think you understand what's even going on at the bovada 5/10 tables, particularly since the times I post hands, half of you guys can't even tell if I'm bluffing or value betting.
I think that for a lot of you guys, if you don't do a lot of introspection and work on yourselves, you can expect to live very unsatisfying lives.
I'm going to minimize the amount I contribute from here on out, I'd like to be able to have a part in the community, but I think we just have too little in common.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
This is first intelligent thing you've said... Except you should read and apply this to YOURSELF. You have no idea what's going on, ever. Stop being so delusional, Peter. |
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 30 2015 18:58. Posts 10468 | | |
All i really meant by that Marshall was that low stars games are tough because of the eastern Europeans who can live on nothing. There are some pretty solid players (not saying great) that grind 25/50 NL and cash out. They kill the low stakes games on stars from what I hear. Not saying they would be better than any 1k regs but just that if they table selected a bit they would find enough fish to maintain a positive winrate. I know some bumhunters personally who are quite a bit worse than me who have success bumhunting as high as games run on Bovada. Wasn't speaking on you Marshall just on the site and that we should avoid stuff like this |
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 30 2015 18:58. Posts 10468 | | |
| On September 30 2015 05:19 Spitfiree wrote:
Is there a way for non americans to play on Bovada ? |
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 30 2015 18:59. Posts 10468 | | |
So yea I guess I was trolling, 250/hr is a good price for your coaching especially compared to the scamming fish on 2+2 who charge the same or more and don't win anywhere |
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 30 2015 19:10. Posts 10468 | | |
Lurped why u so crazy harsh; I understand fleshing out any coach but you're taking it a bit far bud. You don't even post here anymore do you? Marshall at least makes positive contributions so not sure what credentials you have to be shitting on him (care less about screenshots that could have any filters on them I.e. the 30k sample you posted) |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Sep 30 2015 23:08. Posts 4742 | | |
Hey Andrew, how did you use to run sims, and what did you specifically do with the hands you datamined?? |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Sep 30 2015 23:19. Posts 8649 | | |
| On September 30 2015 22:08 Mariuslol wrote:
Hey Andrew, how did you use to run sims, and what did you specifically do with the hands you datamined?? |
also, please include player notes, and any other relevant details for crushing 10/20  |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Oct 01 2015 03:01. Posts 4742 | | |
Ahh, I didn't really mean like that. What program is it people use, and how do you go about it if you know almost nothing about it. That kinda deal |
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handbanana21   United States. Oct 01 2015 03:28. Posts 3037 | | |
go to commercial software in the internet poker section of 2+2 |
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carlosdiaz   Mexico. Oct 01 2015 03:42. Posts 143 | | |
| On September 30 2015 17:58 traxamillion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:19 Spitfiree wrote:
Is there a way for non americans to play on Bovada ? |
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traxamillion   United States. Oct 01 2015 05:24. Posts 10468 | | |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 01 2015 06:12. Posts 9634 | | |
Is the site accessible through foreign ground though? or do i have to be in the USA ? |
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traxamillion   United States. Oct 01 2015 07:13. Posts 10468 | | |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Oct 01 2015 08:20. Posts 6374 | | |
us players vpn'ing to play on stars, rest of the world to play on bovada :D |
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Rocks2BeGood   Netherlands. Oct 01 2015 13:30. Posts 3582 | | |
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AndrewSong   United States. Oct 02 2015 08:39. Posts 2355 | | |
| On September 30 2015 22:08 Mariuslol wrote:
Hey Andrew, how did you use to run sims, and what did you specifically do with the hands you datamined?? |
I datamined every hand played at 5/10+ online. I used a comprehensive HUD that's used strictly for lab work. I knew exactly which hands otb_redbaron, katya etc defends on bb, 3bets in certain position, bluff frequency yaya.. whenever I see a strat that's different to my game, I'd run CRev or confirm it independently by thinking to myself. if I liked it, I would make it part of my strategy. Pretty much I took the laziest route possible to hang at hsnl. It was still lot of work because everyone updates their game in fast pace. Especially the ones still reigning on top. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Oct 03 2015 05:43. Posts 4742 | | |
| On October 02 2015 07:39 AndrewSong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 22:08 Mariuslol wrote:
Hey Andrew, how did you use to run sims, and what did you specifically do with the hands you datamined?? |
I datamined every hand played at 5/10+ online. I used a comprehensive HUD that's used strictly for lab work. I knew exactly which hands otb_redbaron, katya etc defends on bb, 3bets in certain position, bluff frequency yaya.. whenever I see a strat that's different to my game, I'd run CRev or confirm it independently by thinking to myself. if I liked it, I would make it part of my strategy. Pretty much I took the laziest route possible to hang at hsnl. It was still lot of work because everyone updates their game in fast pace. Especially the ones still reigning on top.
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Oh ok, that sounds really smart. Thanks for answering. I know most of the really good people never want to answer technical stuff, and when they do, they like to be vague and deep. (Which I can understand). |
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Oct 06 2015 02:39. Posts 6817 | | |
| On October 02 2015 07:39 AndrewSong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 22:08 Mariuslol wrote:
Hey Andrew, how did you use to run sims, and what did you specifically do with the hands you datamined?? |
I datamined every hand played at 5/10+ online. I used a comprehensive HUD that's used strictly for lab work. I knew exactly which hands otb_redbaron, katya etc defends on bb, 3bets in certain position, bluff frequency yaya.. whenever I see a strat that's different to my game, I'd run CRev or confirm it independently by thinking to myself. if I liked it, I would make it part of my strategy. Pretty much I took the laziest route possible to hang at hsnl. It was still lot of work because everyone updates their game in fast pace. Especially the ones still reigning on top.
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I'm very curious what your 'lab' hud looks like. Something you'd be willing to share now that you no longer play :D? |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Oct 07 2015 09:24. Posts 4742 | | |
^ I asked him once ages ago when he made his quit post. If perhaps I could get all his Poker stuff, he didn't reply, and I didn't want to push the issue, or be a dick!! (Besides, if I was him, I'd give it all to longple instead)
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Mariuslol   Norway. Oct 23 2015 02:55. Posts 4742 | | |
Ah, just rechecking here, to see if Andrew said more!! |
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