UFC 189: McGregor vs. Mendes - Page 3

Along with being a small welterweight going up against one of the biggest welterweights, this will be the first time Gunnar Nelson is fighting outside of Europe.

Everyone talking like mendes is going to wrestle the fk out of mcgregor, in reality mendes has not wrestled the fk out of anyone in his previous fights and instead choose to box. Mcgregors height, reach, stance and skills + crowd will make this fight a 1 sided beatdown. This is going to be like the Joanna vs Carla fight.

On July 01 2015 16:33 jvilla777 wrote: Everyone talking like mendes is going to wrestle the fk out of mcgregor, in reality mendes has not wrestled the fk out of anyone in his previous fights and instead choose to box. Mcgregors height, reach, stance and skills + crowd will make this fight a 1 sided beatdown. This is going to be like the Joanna vs Carla fight.

I don't think Mendes will wrestle-fuck McGregor, but he has the clear wrestling advantage.

The reason why Mendes doesn't wrestle-fuck his opponents is because his striking is good enough to beat them on the feet, along with his power.

Take a look at his UFC record (not WEC record): http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Chad-Mendes

Mendes has KO`ed 5 of his 10 opponents in the UFC (all 1st round finishes); he didn't take any of those 5 guys down. In his 4 fights that went to a decision, he took all of his opponents down at last once. His one loss was that fight where he turned around real fast after getting his balance and ran right into Aldo's knee with 1 second left in the round.

So anyway, Mendes will use his wrestling when needed, otherwise, he'll keep it on the feet. Will he be able to take McGregor down at will? I think he'll be able to get most of his take downs. Will McGregor have any answer if Mendes is on top of him? Nobody really knows yet.

On July 01 2015 15:07 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2015 03:51 soberstone wrote:   On July 01 2015 02:45 PuertoRican wrote: Regarding Conor's BJJ, I wouldn't be worried about it one bit if I were betting on Chad. Forget the word "grappling," and focus on BJJ and wrestling. Chad clearly has the wrestling advantage, and I don't think Conor's BJJ is dangerous enough to submit Chad while Chad is on top. I see this fight taking place solely on the feet, unless Chad gets the take down. Disagree. The defensive BJJ of Conor is extremely important because if Conor gets taken down but can maintain guard, get up off his back quickly and safely, and avoid GnP and submissions all while doing so (yes, that would be very BJJ dependent) than he can still win the fight even with a disadvantage in wrestling. No doubt about it, he doesn't want to get taken down, but it may not be the end of the world if he does. I agree, Chad's base on top will negate any offensive BJJ from Conor, but his guard and separation skills on the mat will be very important.... you make it sound like if Chad can get takedowns he will automatically win, and I don't think that is necessarily correct, he needs to be able to hold him down and inflict punishment too. I am using the term grappling for a reason. I'm trying to encompass all the areas that might matter (offensive and defensive wrestling, 50/50 scrambles on that mat, BJJ, etc.) and Chad's wrestling advantage is certainly a huge component to anyone who isn't retarded, but to me it isn't in itself enough to win this fight. I would agree with this but you definitely win fights on takedowns alone. In Condit vs Henderson Henderson pretty much got his ass whooped but he dipped Condit like 12+ times. He always got up and didn't take much damage but for some reason takedown are worth hella points. I've been in a number of street fights where scoring doesn't matter just hurting the other guy. Takedowns themselves pretty much count for nothing it is what you do with the takedown imo

I think you mean Condit vs Hendricks.

I think this fight is actually a perfect example to point out why I don't think takedown's alone can win Mendes this particular fight if he's not able to pass guard and beat up Conor - unlike the Hendricks v Condit fight - which again is a great example of a fight where takedowns alone essentially did win a fight.

Let's consider a fight just like your example where Mendes gets repeated takedowns but can't pass Conor's guard or get much done on top and Conor is able to get up frequently (just like Hendricks vs Condit)

2 questions I would ask if we use this fight as a direct comparison:

- If Conor hits Mendes half as often as Condit blasted Hendricks in between sequences of getting rag-dolled, can Mendes avoid getting KO'd in the process?
- Does Hendricks win that fight if it goes 10 more minutes? (This is a 5-round affair, the Condit v Hendricks fight was 3 rounds)

The answer is likely no to both questions. That's where I feel the difference is. Mendes will need to do more than Hendricks was able to do on top in terms of guard passing, ground and pound, etc or else he'll either get KO'd at some point or will lose gas and lose rounds 3-5 badly.

If I was a bookie I'd institute McGregor rests Balls on Forehead at +20000, steal Irish lute with the slickness.

On July 02 2015 00:35 soberstone wrote: If I was a bookie I'd institute McGregor rests Balls on Forehead at +20000, steal Irish lute with the slickness.

Wanderlei approves.

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I'm not a doctor, but I guess the penis-looking bone is a broken rib...??? dunno.

Source:

i wanna see aldo's head on that rib cage otherwise i call BS on these random xrays in brazil
finally wrestlerfucker fans will get their wish about mcgregoat not fighting their boring heroes

Bullshit injury......................was so looking forward to the fight, this could very well end up like the Jones/Cormier/Rumble situation where the replacement ends up winning. And if Mendes wins, I think it should be pretty decisive.

Aldo doesn't strike me as the type of guy to make up a bullshit injury just to get out of a fight

why in the fuck would he fake an injury to get out of the biggest fight in his career after the UFC spent millions promoting it?

Dana is clearly at the brink of a heartattack since Mendez might derail his money train, obviously this is a legit injury

That's a fractured rib, not bruised. UFC threw Aldo under the bus here. LOL at anybody who thinks that Aldo is faking an injury.

I still can't believe they threw Conor in there with Mendes. What a dumb decision that is. Rolling the dice big time.

On July 02 2015 15:19 northsails wrote: That's a fractured rib, not bruised. UFC threw Aldo under the bus here. LOL at anybody who thinks that Aldo is faking an injury. I still can't believe they threw Conor in there with Mendes. What a dumb decision that is. Rolling the dice big time.

UFC threw Aldo under the bus? After throwing millions in promotion and than the guy manages to get injured 3 weeks out and pull out of his 5th championship fight, they give him the opportunity to fight, get paid, and have an auto-rematch clause (which has been confirmed)? That's throwing him under the bus? No.

As far as Aldo 'faking an injury' or 'being scarred', I wouldn't even acknowledge the idiot who thinks that.

Aldo is now counting on the fact that McGregor wins, or else he never becomes rich, and that actually is interesting to me. He's gambling on McGregor just like the UFC.

As far as the decision to throw in Conor with Mendes, we'll see. You could be right there.

Definitely could not push McGregor fighting back. One of the number one threats to the UFC is the narrative becoming that you can never buy a UFC ticket in advance and plan a vacation because you'll just get unequivocally fucked (which happens to be true).

They had to have McGregor fight. I personally believe Edgar would have been a tougher matchup - and obviously they do too. They had to have McGregor headline for a multitude of obvious reasons, so that rules out all the juicy 155 fights, so what does that really leave us with?

Essentially, the UFC has been forced to parlay McGregor instead of betting him straight-up, because if he wins this fight and gets to fight Aldo next (provided he can avoid getting injured and pulling out for a 6th time) - that's even bigger and better for them.

Either way, McGregor has such drawing potential that I bet this PPV still does 600k buys, 3 times as many as Aldo v Mendes 2 (which did 200k). Aldo v McGregor was apparently trending to break a million for the first time since Weidman Silva II.

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On July 02 2015 16:27 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2015 15:19 northsails wrote: That's a fractured rib, not bruised. UFC threw Aldo under the bus here. LOL at anybody who thinks that Aldo is faking an injury. I still can't believe they threw Conor in there with Mendes. What a dumb decision that is. Rolling the dice big time. UFC threw Aldo under the bus? After throwing millions in promotion and than the guy manages to get injured 3 weeks out and pull out of his 5th championship fight, they give him the opportunity to fight, get paid, and have an auto-rematch clause (which has been confirmed)? That's throwing him under the bus? No.

I meant that when you have a fractured rib you can't fight. UFC knew that and that is why they came up with a back up plan hoping that Aldo fights injured and claimed he has a bruised rib. When he pulled out they made him look like he has some pain and decided to quit. Btw I don't think Aldo is very smart to leave this money on the table. Even If he loses he still rakes in back to back 1mln+ PPVs. Gambling it all on Conor to whoop Mendes is stupid but I guess we will see soon enough if it was the right decision. Risking 5-10 mln $, when you are on 200k a fight deal is crazy.

"USADA pushes back IV ban for UFC fighters until October."

This is good news for fighters like Brandon Thatch, who is one of the two biggest welterweights in the UFC.

Calling the rib injury bullshit injury only makes you guys seem retarded and shows your lack of knowledge
A bruised rib needs at least 4 weeks rest if the injury is worse that time is prolonged. I'm glad they postponed it I'd rather see both fighters at 100% when they meet up. There was only 1 way the fight would've ended with an injured rib:
Connor abuses the shit out of Jose's rib and destroys him cause the pain is ridiculous

This isn't Ancient Rome time fix your mental game lawl

On July 02 2015 18:27 northsails wrote: . Btw I don't think Aldo is very smart to leave this money on the table. Even If he loses he still rakes in back to back 1mln+ PPVs. Gambling it all on Conor to whoop Mendes is stupid but I guess we will see soon enough if it was the right decision. Risking 5-10 mln $, when you are on 200k a fight deal is crazy.

It's a matter of perception, different people got different priorities and I doubt Aldo's are money at this point in life

way before the "injury", getting a conor clone to practice with. nobody knows if it's true or not, do you guys know Aldo personally? if not your guess is as shitty as mine

On July 02 2015 18:27 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2015 16:27 soberstone wrote:   On July 02 2015 15:19 northsails wrote: That's a fractured rib, not bruised. UFC threw Aldo under the bus here. LOL at anybody who thinks that Aldo is faking an injury. I still can't believe they threw Conor in there with Mendes. What a dumb decision that is. Rolling the dice big time. UFC threw Aldo under the bus? After throwing millions in promotion and than the guy manages to get injured 3 weeks out and pull out of his 5th championship fight, they give him the opportunity to fight, get paid, and have an auto-rematch clause (which has been confirmed)? That's throwing him under the bus? No. I meant that when you have a fractured rib you can't fight. UFC knew that and that is why they came up with a back up plan hoping that Aldo fights injured and claimed he has a bruised rib. When he pulled out they made him look like he has some pain and decided to quit. Btw I don't think Aldo is very smart to leave this money on the table. Even If he loses he still rakes in back to back 1mln+ PPVs. Gambling it all on Conor to whoop Mendes is stupid but I guess we will see soon enough if it was the right decision. Risking 5-10 mln $, when you are on 200k a fight deal is crazy.

Yah, I think UFC and Aldo's interests in trying to cover up the injury were mutually beneficial until Aldo decided he couldn't fight. They weren't throwing him under the bus, they were trying to protect his and their own pocketbooks by downplaying the injury. Normal stuff.

On July 02 2015 22:01 whamm! wrote: way before the "injury", getting a conor clone to practice with. nobody knows if it's true or not, do you guys know Aldo personally? if not your guess is as shitty as mine

Everybody know's it's true. His name is Jonas Bilharinho.

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/check-...dos-sparring-partner-jonas-bilharinho