Ideal Poker: the Players Revolution - Page 5

On December 08 2014 22:44 TimDawg wrote:

pussy's, both of you, clearly.

I'm just looking for a decent poker player...

so basically you have this briliant idea which only you are able to comprehend
therefore everyone else is a moron. sounds about right

On December 08 2014 21:51 diggerflopboat wrote: Show nested quote + On December 08 2014 14:57 bigredhoss wrote: lol i guess i have a soft spot for him he has like 4+ banned accounts on 2+2 and seems to be convinced that john nash was the creator of bitcoin. nono, lets not misquote, I am saying he has been touring the world for the last 20 years talking about the coming advent of bitcoin in a lecture called ideal money.. I can't explain something as a whole, in parts, to multiple separate people. Collectively we'd remain dumb.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sho...12990&postcount=14056 (referring to the possibility of satoshi nakamoto being john nash)

'Maybe you should read it and then comment. You know how I know you haven't? Because its obviously john nash. Its not a question, its a matter of you stopping your laughing long enough to realize how ignorant you are being.'

Ok listen, what we want to ask is, why is John Nash predicting a poker revolution, and how did a 10 year old lecture predict a poker revolution 1 year ago....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ideal-poker-1353102/

https://www.scribd.com/doc/224948379/Ideal-Poker

Political Evolution There perhaps will always be “rake", like also “death and taxes". But it is sometimes remarkable how poker strategies can evolve. And in relation to that I think that it is possible that “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " are like a political faction that will become less influential as a result of poker revolution. The “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” view of things did not come into existence until after the time when what we can call “Black Friday" had become established in the US. And by this label we wish to differentiate between any theoretical or ideal concept of justice and the actual form of governing regime structure that came to exercise state power on the poker community. (All over the world varieties of sites make claims to have systems very properly or even ideally devoted to the interests of the professional or recreational players of those sites and always an externally located critic can argue that the site is actually a sort of despotism.) PSFTCIAFBIDOJ implicitly always have the argument that some good managers can do things of beneficial value, operating with the skins, and that it is not needed or appropriate for the players or the “customers" of the chips supplied by the site to actually understand, while the managers are managing, what exactly they are doing and how it will affect the “ROI" circumstances of these players. I see this as analogous to how the PSFTCIAFBIDOJ were claiming to provide something much better than Ponzi schemes that they could not deny existed in all other sites. But in the end the “dictatorship of the proletariat” seemed to become rather exposed as simply the dictatorship of the regime. So there may be an analogy to this as regards those called “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” in that while they have claimed to be operating for high and noble objectives of general poker welfare what is clearly true is that they have made it easier for their sites to “print money". So I see the entire privately raked community as in a weak sense comparable to the “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency" relating to the functions of poker sites as seen by the players. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of sites operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the player of the raked sites. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of poker revolution might lead to the expectation on the part of players in the “great game types" that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the rake policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to players who may have alternative options for where to place their “deposits".

I will try and smoke weed before addressing these kids, but its amazing how many of you spend time in your day commenting without giving 2 seconds or 2 thoughts about what you are commenting on. Bigredhoss quotes old realtime thoughts, they are a year old. We have a plan now and a new technology "counterparty".

Btw, during the last players uprising where some players got booted off stars for sitting out this thread was locked: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...decentralized-poker-software-1021113/

Its about creating a decentralized game run by the players, the problem is too many of you will comment without realize that your complaints and remarks have already been solved.

If anyone truly cares about the cliffs in this thread, the pseduo lecture "ideal poker" spells out a solution by which the players create their own crypto network of counterparty wallets linked by a universal poker coin. Think of it like sieging a castle except the castle is an industry monopoly the armies are the players and any allies and the crypto-network is the moat we are now diverting through all the underground tunnelways taking away any hope of survival or escape.

It's free and it's self perpetuating because early adopters gain the most. The crypto network allows the players to organize and do things they could not before such as monitor the games collusion, create a union, and create single unique identifiers.

How is he able to spell out our perfect strategy:

Of course when a poker currency, for a time, does have a specification of its value beyond the local fiat of administrators in its national home, like the money of PS and FT had a peg to the U.S. dollar a few years ago, then international observers can wisely distrust the reliability of such a stabilization of its rake. Such forms of value definition are not necessarily unsound, particularly when a small poker economy, like that of Merge, links its currency to that of a larger area like that of the USA. But it is obvious that this sort of thing puts a burden on the foundation of the rake that is used as a reference basis. For example, if all sorts of non-US countries decided to define the values of their rake as less than with the US sites, without actually joining into any system of cooperative regulations associated with that, then the effect of that would seem likely to destabilize the stability of the US sites if it would otherwise be highly stable and of high rake.

This is a news article about the elephant in the room:

http://www.pokersites.com/news/pokers...portedly-pushing-bitcoin-igaming-4480

As well as keeping up with the latest industry trends, Bitcoin is also being touted as a way for online poker sites to remain operational in both regulated and unregulated markets. Because the currency isn’t overseen by a government and doesn’t exist outside of the internet, it would, technically, be legal for operators to use it as a real money gaming option. Of course, this theory hasn’t yet been tested and would likely raise other legal issues. However, it’s certainly an option that both players and online poker sites are looking to explore in the coming months. In response to the recent speculation, members of the community have been asking what it would mean for rake costs. Because Bitcoin would be a cheaper currency option (for now) than traditional methods, it could mean the savings would be passed onto players in the form of reduced charges and rake.

This is lecture written by John Nash 10+ years ago...

Illustrating the principle of these optional choices, the people of Sweden recently had the opportunity of voting in a referendum on whether or not Sweden should join the Eurocurrency bloc and replace the kronor by the euro and thus use the same currency as Finland. The people voted against that, for various reasons. But it cannot be irrelevant whether or not the future quality of a rake is really assured or whether instead that it depends on the shifting sands of poker site decisions or the possibly arbitrary actions of a bureaucracy of officials (PSFTCIAFBIDOJ). The voters in the U.K. are expecting to have the opportunity to vote in a referendum relating to the adoption, for the U.K., of the euro (which is already adopted in Ireland). Here they have a dramatic conflict, since the pound was the original currency of “the gold standard", with its value pegged to gold in 1717 by Isaac Newton who was then Master of the Mint. (Of course it was not irrelevant that George II, the king then, was an early Hanoverian and also ruled territory in Germany.) In recent years the rake has had a comparatively good rating with regard to inflation, inferior to the rating of the Swiss franc but superior to most currencies of the world. So the British have the alternatives of accepting adoption of the euro when first voting, or after a delay, or never. We can legitimately wonder how the speediness of its adoption or delays in its adoption might affect the policies operating to control the actual exchange value of poker deposits. The constitutional structure of the authority behind rake is of the “chips" character in that nothing is really guaranteed as far as the value of the chips is concerned. But this is typical of all currencies used in the world nowadays.

Have we figured out what "ideal poker" is yet?

Ugh.. Don't see why your posting in such belittling manner. You seemed to forget to address any realistic outlook or progress it needs to have a direction. You also seem to have no experience dealing with crypto currency and banking institutions. There's already a problem ahead even before we get into impossibility of running a 'ideal poker site/network regulated by the players'. Not many people will want to deal with holding funny unstable currency when we already have options to play in a regulated site with world standard currency(USD and EUR).

Cashing in/out with crypto is not an easy task and you'll most likely have to go back to BTC ->USD unless you're willing to pay premium vig to the exchange. No other crypto is respected at the moment besides bitcoins and all coins reverts back to bitcoins paying premium. I've done over 100k+ transaction in just bitcoins alone and let me tell you cashing in/out can be long and painful task. It may be easy when youre dealing with couple thousand dollars but when you start moving real money, the time it takes to cash out, vig you pay, verifications from exchange/bank and the currency swings are worse than paying high rake. Coinbase recently banned us from doing transaction with Seals and more exchanges will follow suit when regulations get closer.

So how will you get this done when Bitcoin poker isn't even respected by its own Bitcoin exchange?

Andrew see post #87 and figure out what "Ideal poker" is. I don't mean figure the concept out, I mean, what is the significance.

Don't bring up a whole bunch of problems that have solutions that you refuse to learn about and read before you comment. I have asked you and others many times to sign up for a wallet and receive a coin before arguing, until then you are just monkey to me barking about things you don't understand or know anything about...

am I supposed to respect that?

In before you and others still refuse to discuss the topic and continue to attack my persona.

Coinbase recently banned us from doing transaction with Seals and more exchanges will follow suit when regulations get closer. So how will you get this done when Bitcoin poker isn't even respected by its own Bitcoin exchange?

This, now I understand that you have experience with bitcoin. This is helpful, however I also realize that you have certainly not understood my "plan". I'll address your questions, if you'll be sincere.

Coinbase banned you because of the US regulations and fear, but coin-base is not a decentralized exchange, tell me the law vs a decentralized exchange?

In other words every single idea you have heard of has a privatized interest to it, essentially a 3rd party taking a profit from its service in one way or another. You are not considering a Universal Poker Coin until you understand that is there no 3rd party. Universal Poker Coin creates a network that BECOMES the law. Because it exists regulation must adjust. This is what bitcoin is doing, it is exactly what Nash explains in "ideal money", and "ideal poker" tells the players how to create their own community uprising using their own community coin.

Once players start to discuss ideal poker, ideal money, bitcoin, the industry monopoly is going to start to dissolve over night. This is why almost daily now there is dramatic regulation change all over the world in regards to igaming. Everyone is trying to adjust, but only the players have access to the "ideal" strategy.

On December 09 2014 18:22 diggerflopboat wrote: Don't bring up a whole bunch of problems that have solutions that you refuse to learn about and read before you comment. In before you and others still refuse to discuss the topic and continue to attack my persona.

Because the currency isn’t overseen by a government and doesn’t exist outside of the internet, it would, technically, be legal for operators to use it as a real money gaming option. Of course, this theory hasn’t yet been tested and would likely raise other legal issues

What solutions? I haven't seen you write anything meaningful besides linking us to a 3rd tier affiliate site with articles written for SEO. Are you reading these articles yourself? because if you agree with any of these no name authors, you clearly shouldn't be posting on a subject you have no understanding of.

The last thing we need is another gray area. In business where there's lot of money involved, gray means black over time.

On December 09 2014 18:59 AndrewSong wrote: [i]Because the currency isn’t overseen by a government and doesn’t exist outside of the internet, it would, technically, be legal for operators to use it as a real money gaming option. Of course, this theory hasn’t yet been tested and would likely raise other legal issues/[i] What solutions? I haven't seen you write anything meaningful besides linking us to a 3rd tier affiliate site with articles written for SEO. Are you reading these articles yourself? because if you agree with any of these no name authors, you clearly shouldn't be posting on a subject you have no understanding of. The last thing we need is another gray area. In business where there's lot of money involved, gray means black over time.

Can we change the tone because I know you are worth my explaining now...

Counterparty is the link I just sent you. It is widely known in the bitcoin world but not the public that counterparty is effectively bitcoin 2.0. It is not bitcoin 2....it is a platform which allows any group to create there own coin at zero cost, think bitcoin X. This is important because bitcoin took millions to bootstrap. Universal Poker Coin costs zero. Generally no community has realized the true power of counterparty and poker players naturally might be the first to harness its power.

I and others have already been all around the laws of this, its already been analyzed, documented and discussed right down to the constitution. None of this is a secret in the bitcoin world among, say, developers, its just not yet public knowledge. We are going to spread this knowledge through the adoption of our coin.

thank you. more comments and questions please?

On December 09 2014 18:59 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2014 18:22 diggerflopboat wrote: Don't bring up a whole bunch of problems that have solutions that you refuse to learn about and read before you comment. In before you and others still refuse to discuss the topic and continue to attack my persona. Because the currency isn’t overseen by a government and doesn’t exist outside of the internet, it would, technically, be legal for operators to use it as a real money gaming option. Of course, this theory hasn’t yet been tested and would likely raise other legal issues What solutions? I haven't seen you write anything meaningful besides linking us to a 3rd tier affiliate site with articles written for SEO. Are you reading these articles yourself? because if you agree with any of these no name authors, you clearly shouldn't be posting on a subject you have no understanding of. The last thing we need is another gray area. In business where there's lot of money involved, gray means black over time.

geez, see post #87 and figure out what "Ideal poker" is and its significance, how hard is that?

On December 09 2014 19:12 dogmeat wrote: geez, see post #87 and figure out what "Ideal poker" is and its significance, how hard is that?

I'm sorry if I'm terribad at explaining, as soon as someone with charisma figures it out they can take over. Nonetheless Andrew has been sent some "Naj Coin". Now we can discuss it and figure out what it is about and see if it stands up to all your concerns (provided it works and they receive it). It took a long time to FINALLY get to this point so I hope we are all not to exhausted from our "thread battle".

I'm looking forward to answering Andrews complaints and in the meantime early adoptors obviously gain the most...

I clicked for the LULz... was NOT dissapointed haha what a train wreck

On December 09 2014 20:34 Baalim wrote: I clicked for the LULz... was NOT dissapointed haha what a train wreck

ur not allowed to troll unless you possess some universal poker coin: naj coin.

Andrew got a wallet and gave me his address so has naj coin now so he gets the "conch shell"..

takes 10 seconds, put your cypto currency where your mouth is https://counterwallet.io/#
save your password, send or post your address and you'll get naj coin, then we can discuss it and you can bash the whole concept if you want.

so he wants every1 to sign up for a wallet and receive a coin. seems like elaborate scheme to get a holecardviewer.exe on poker players' computers

On December 09 2014 21:29 Skoal wrote: so he wants every1 to sign up for a wallet and receive a coin. seems like elaborate scheme to get a holecardviewer.exe on poker players' computers

yup or it could be that I realize that ignorant people fear things they don't understand so I am looking for someone that understands crypto currency and already knows the site "counterparty". Its like everyone here thinks they have something smart to say but doesn't realize that they are just showing their lack of knowledge on the subject...(I did not create the site, you don't download anything, the whole point is it is safer than using this forum)

Listen...Andrew received some coin...and hopefully they will discuss it with me in front of us and ya'll can express your concerns to them.

theres like a 93% chance this guy is gnarly. same retarded links to websites and articles that he never reads, and replies to everyone 4-6 times before anyone else writes back

On December 09 2014 21:44 RaiNKhAN wrote: theres like a 93% chance this guy is gnarly. same retarded links to websites and articles that he never reads, and replies to everyone 4-6 times before anyone else writes back

we are waiting on Andrew because they understand the technology I want to discuss "publicly".

We are going to take the industry into our own hands over night. I need a trusted member here that understand crypto currency and receives a Naj Coin. Obviously no one will trust any explanation I give.

I think we're unintentionally getting trolled. First you come in linking John Nash's "Ideal Money" with "Ideal Poker" and then state that Satochi (founder of bitcoin) is John F. Nash himself. All this is fine since you can have your own opinon. However, I hate to tell you but Counterparty that you highly praise of is nothing special and seems to be just a extended version of coloredcoin or blockchain protocol. I am still beating my head around why you think this wallet is so grand because it's a trustless P2P environment running on a open software. If you weren't aware, wallet like this has been around for a long while and there's constantly new ones popping out. This service is a middle-man that lives off of exchange. It doesn't provide any solution for what I have asked. All the assets, NAJCOIN, or anything you create here requires someone to hold, collect and distribute those assets which carries a counter party risk. Hence the name, Counter party.






This is what diggerflop sent me that will enlighten you. 100 play money coins...