I've been thinking. We as a race are so pathetic in our very own primal nature. Its like evolution has passed inbetween us. There has been nothing inovative in our way of thinking in the past 3000 years. Only thing thats changed is technology and we've learned to adapt to it. And when it comes to ruining things and destroying we are the absolute champions of the universe. The devestating power of a black hole is nothing compared to a human brain. Its us that create systems that control us such as economics and its become so strong that it can now never be erased from our existance.. it can only evolve and when its threatened it would create a war so it can fuel itself. We r so fucked in the head that we somehow think living in a society where 2 billions of people are divided in groups of people who have food and swim in wealth while the 2x larger population dies in poverty is fine. The human is on top of the pyramid ... said the human. Mercantilism and cosumation have become morals. Spend more means you can impress the society more. Quality ? Please thats jsut a term used by the marketing which is another definition of something unnecessarily expensive. Dont even get me wrong im not some kind of poor kid that dreams for an iphone. I am a part of that ill society. A society which strives for happiness as it shits on everyone else ... as anyone unable to fight within, to serve his purpose is left outside of it as a dog with 3 legs. Why do I ... why do YOU deserve what you have. Yeah i bet you have learned some kind of specific skills over the timecourse of your life which you think justify the things you have, which would justify your need to run over anything that doesnt impress u in some way, which would justify your morals, your goals, unless karma and bhudism are actually real and in your next life you are a nigger in an african village that waits on UNICEF provisions.
Whats even more fucked up is that this is the only way through human history we have found to work for us to even exist. God bless Lincoln for freeing the slaves... there are no slaves at all in our days. Most of the countries live in a democratic background. If you dont live in such country, dont worry USA will bring it to you. And dont worry when the USA gets weaker someone else will do that instead of them. Its not like most people only work so they could pay their taxes,bills food, buy some clothes and new technology that feeds their happiness and self-esteem ... and thats within those 2 billions.
How do you wake up with positivism in this world? Im madly envious of such people that find the right reasons to do so. Why are you better than the one chinese kid that just died of starvation and exhaustion while you read this sentance ? How can one even whine about anything anywhere, be disappointed by troubles in work, be depressed cause of unshared love, even by a serious health problem ?
As i've kept learning more about the way our world works i've only kept hating it more. Call it extreme morals or whatever.... I just dont see a flaw in my logic which is even more disappointing
Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 13 2013 22:36. Posts 5304
well you raise some good points. As i've become more and more aware about the world i've come to hate myself more, but i can redeem myself by trying to take action.
well here's my thoughts on the world today: politics and economics.
i think there is some hope for humanity in the world. It mostly lies in our ability to defend freedom on the internet. Because that's probably the future of where elites will be needing to control our thoughts.
The people who are privileged enough to be able to think critically, and have money and time need to speak their thoughts, get more involved in politics if they want a good future. I think most of LP falls under this category of people.
It's not up to Chinese people who work 14 hours a day to speak up and resist, they have to worry about getting food so they are less responsible for atrocities that have been committed around the world than we are.
right now, i wouldn't call any country in the world democratic, because corporations have bosses, that decide a lot of the decisions made in a lot of workplaces in the world. The workers in Hollywood corporations for example don't get to vote and decide on attacking internet freedom. it's a decision made by a few powerful people to make themselves richer. We also have a lack of democracy because of biases in the media, controlling our thoughts. Although this is less of an issue in non American western countries, i still think it's pretty bad.
There's also this flaw with human nature and power. If you don't care about anyone and want to become rich, then you're going to become rich-even if it means hurting others, and these people become rich more easily because of their advantage of not caring about others. Sure there are some examples of benevolent powerful people, but it's mostly true especially in the financial sector.
That is in my belief the most democratic a country has ever been in the last 100 years, because the workers had much more democratic control over the decision making in the workplace. And those decisions have a huge influence over how we live.
I'm also disturbed by the amount of people on the internet that support neoliberal economics. I mean giving all the power and freedom to these elites just results in wage-slavery, and absolute power, over everyone. The government, education, environment and our rights.
I'll end with a video from noam chomsky criticizing one of the most neoliberal politicians in the US
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 13 2013 22:41. Posts 5304
On March 13 2013 21:11 Rapoza wrote:
Once you realize our World/reality never was/is/will be a fair place, you'll learn to accept the ways of our society.
This is the exact attitude that allows elites to control us.
Why on earth would you want to 'accept' anything that will make 99% of the population, including yourself worse off?
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K40Cheddar United States. Mar 13 2013 22:57. Posts 2202
Become the 1%
profit??!?!?
GG
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 13 2013 23:09. Posts 5304
On March 13 2013 21:57 K40Cheddar wrote:
Become the 1%
profit??!?!?
this is just speculation, but i very much doubt that even the 1% profit in the system they control in terms of wealth. If humanity was not so oppressed there would be more creativity, and more wealth for everyone because of that. Kings 500 years ago couldn't even imagine to possess things like phones, and great art, which have been realized from creativity. Imagine what the world would be like today without thousands of years of oppression.
I mean just look at north korea, the most oppressed country today. Their population is completely unable to think independently, and the country has not progressed at all as a result.
The 1% do of course, profit in the short term though. And they have much more than everyone else which is what satisfies their brain i guess.
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just accept the idea that most human beings, if not all of them, are filth
that if u had been given the same life as one of those in the 1% ud probably be doing the same thing theyre doing now
the human race is prob the worst thing that happened to our planet and, ironically, to mankind as well
That being said you can be happy if you let go of this, just try to be as good as you can and enjoy this -short- life, its doable ;
not sure it even makes sense -.-
i almost don't read this blog because of title...but after reading it, i can say that i agree with you. Seriously, humanity is so fucked up, i feel like im 95% surrounded by idiots.
On March 13 2013 21:11 Rapoza wrote:
Once you realize our World/reality never was/is/will be a fair place, you'll learn to accept the ways of our society.
This is the exact attitude that allows elites to control us.
Why on earth would you want to 'accept' anything that will make 99% of the population, including yourself worse off?
To accept does not mean to embrace.
Accept the true nature of men and stand above it at all times.
Are you trying to argue that most people are evil or just rich people? Either way it sounds like an incorrect conclusion based on cynicism and cliche's to me.
And why does consumerism automatically mean I'm a soulless shell? I believe that human's are rational beings capable of assigning value to what makes them happy. Even if they can't, I believe that no other person should have the power to decide for them what will make them happy.
On March 13 2013 21:11 Rapoza wrote:
Once you realize our World/reality never was/is/will be a fair place, you'll learn to accept the ways of our society.
This is the exact attitude that allows elites to control us.
Why on earth would you want to 'accept' anything that will make 99% of the population, including yourself worse off?
To accept does not mean to embrace.
Accept the true nature of men and stand above it at all times.
Yeah but then you come off as an asshole to the majority of people, which is undeserved, but yeah thats the best way to threat the world, except when you get to a point of weakness then you are in a really shitty spot.
Dont think i've used the term democracy well, my bad, ive just wrote what i've wrote and clicked post. The thing about democracy is it was never about absolute equality among men, it was about laying some ground rules for everyone from ancient times, but still managing the population in 3 different classes each having way different perspectives than the other. It has only evolved since then to a more modern political system, its propaganda in the media is what makes it feel so fake i guess
@Rapoza
Yap except I've come to realize that since i was really young and the problem with it is i dont think of myself being extremely intelligent - obv way above the avarage but that would put a large amount of people up there too. What I've come to realize that there are many smart people that have a specific thing they are really good at still live in some sort of an imaginary world althought they are successful and suspectedly smart , just because they have progressed to the top with the skill they have ( not quite sure i made myself clear here hope you get it )
I've also not been searching for any kind of fairness in the world. The main problem is people make the world even more unfair by taking the short,easier way
nah ofc consumation is something good as long as it doesnt take such extreme measure such as is it in its current state, so is mercantilism in a way
and no i think that most people are just retarded, I also do believe "evilness" does not exist. People that come off as evil to others have still acted in a way that they think is right. Actually that bible quote that goes somewhere along the line of " The fastest path to hell is through good intentions " is the only meaningful thing in the book, i've not read it thought so who am i to judge it ( obv i mean reading it for sore intellectual purposes and not in a religious kind of view ), although such actions could still not be justified
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goose58 United States. Mar 14 2013 01:55. Posts 871
People are good and evil.
Slavery still exists today.
Diet/exercise/professional for that depression.
/imo
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K40Cheddar United States. Mar 14 2013 02:10. Posts 2202
On March 13 2013 21:57 K40Cheddar wrote:
Become the 1%
profit??!?!?
this is just speculation, but i very much doubt that even the 1% profit in the system they control in terms of wealth. If humanity was not so oppressed there would be more creativity, and more wealth for everyone because of that. Kings 500 years ago couldn't even imagine to possess things like phones, and great art, which have been realized from creativity. Imagine what the world would be like today without thousands of years of oppression.
I mean just look at north korea, the most oppressed country today. Their population is completely unable to think independently, and the country has not progressed at all as a result.
The 1% do of course, profit in the short term though. And they have much more than everyone else which is what satisfies their brain i guess.
To much to write, don't feel like it now. Annoying, should add something. If you think to much concering thought, "negative" if you will, your body starts reacting to it, you feel more anger, frustration, hate, so forth, not that cool. The words you chose to use to describe your feelings, are also made by us, that's pretty amazing, and im sure you want to express yourself a million times better, to really make us understand and feel what you feel. We're capable of that as well, and that's pretty amazing, and that's just one of the billion things that ain't all that pathetic.
Can relate deeply, have a super long weird, interessting version of bdd, and have had it for years. So I'm never close to neutral, where most people live their lives, im either euphoric or devestated. I feel it's fascinating when im neutral, it feels like a dream when im euphoric, and it feels as if it's always been like hell when im on a low. Where a to long sentences isn't possible, no mirrors, no light, no comprehension, no people, just pain and suffering.
Then it fades, and you are free to dream again, feel again and everything's amazing for a little while lol.
If you think like this then you should never kill a fly, mosquito or any life form. You should feel bad every time you step on an ant.
You should not be allowed to do anything at all.
Anything you do brings destruction to some living organism.
If you think like this of course you gonna be depressed.
What you gotta do is feel lucky that you are here at this time and able to enjoy what life has brought to you because for millions of years you were dust. Without soul, without thoughts, without pleasures, without hurt.
Accept it and define your own morals, and then more importantly stand by them. As simple as that, you probably won't change the world but you can at least bring some happiness in it as long as you keep a little empathy for the human race and believe in its potential like I do.
What makes us unique is the ambivalence of our nature: we are capable of the worst but also the best, you must be aware of the first and fight it the harder you can but you also should believe in the latter and open your mind to the beauties of the world (art, cultures, love, sharing, friendship, etc ...).
If you don't you'll probably lose all faith in humanity and become a sad, depressed, mean, undeveloped, dry human being. Be hard on the outside and soft inside for people who are in need and weaker, try to reform your society, be active and don't say you can't do anything that's when they win. I may sound like a hippie but I don't care what people think, as long as I live my life fully without stomping on the weak, we are lucky to live in said democratic country in which you can almost freely express yourself, the only shame would be not to use this right when the situation calls for it.
Dude says that corporation can't live without a nanny state (true for the corrupt ones) and then he criticises libertarians for wanting to get rid of the nanny state because it'll give the corporations to much powers. WTF?
Although he brings up the usual argument against libertarianism. That's cool. Well, this libertarian is giving money to schools in Africa, I've given money to people in need and I try my damned best to help people out when they need it. It's of my own free will and it feels good. I just don't feel I have the right to use force to make other people do the same.
I'm trying to live a good, moral life and support my family, help out my friends and give money to stuff I think is important. I'm a member of a small political party that wants out of the European Union and let anyone who wants to come to Sweden come to Sweden and when here work and take care of him- or herself. I want to get rid of the nanny state, I'd like people to be allowed to take responsibility for them selves, do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else and just in general go to heaven, hell or any other place they for some reason believes in in their own way.
“Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man.” - Nietzsche
"That human life must be some kind of mistake
is sufficiently proved by the simple observation
that man is a compound of needs which are hard to satisfy;
- that their satisfaction achieves nothing
but a painless condition
in which he is only given over to boredom . . ."
- Arthur Schopenhauer
I go through life without faith or hope. I have long learned that it is a deceiving tool, and while deceiving oneself tends to lead to happiness, it doesn't last, and reality just hits harder after. One should keep his expectations at the lowest, as the wise Greek philosophers advised. Life is hell, even for the privileged; we vastly overestimate our capacity for happiness. You say we have adapted to technology? Nah. Our brain and its size is still almost 100% the same as it was some 150,000 years ago, but the world changed dramatically. We can't cope with the world as it is, plasticity only helps so much. We have to rely on our defense mechanisms just so that we don't kill ourselves on the spot. We can't live in the present moment, we are slaves to time-consciousness, which is to say we are condemned to torment by our very self-reflective nature. The wise men have always known that life is suffering and came up with their own ways to minimize it. Now more than ever we need to listen to their insights on human living. It's just a matter of figuring out for yourself how far you are willing to follow them. My view on life can be summed up as such: Life is hell. Try to find a room furthest from the flames.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I just remembered this talk, move to around 6 mins:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 14 2013 07:19. Posts 5304
On March 14 2013 03:54 DustySwedeDude wrote:
I hate Chomsky.
Dude says that corporation can't live without a nanny state (true for the corrupt ones) and then he criticises libertarians for wanting to get rid of the nanny state because it'll give the corporations to much powers. WTF?
Although he brings up the usual argument against libertarianism. That's cool. Well, this libertarian is giving money to schools in Africa, I've given money to people in need and I try my damned best to help people out when they need it. It's of my own free will and it feels good. I just don't feel I have the right to use force to make other people do the same.
I'm trying to live a good, moral life and support my family, help out my friends and give money to stuff I think is important. I'm a member of a small political party that wants out of the European Union and let anyone who wants to come to Sweden come to Sweden and when here work and take care of him- or herself. I want to get rid of the nanny state, I'd like people to be allowed to take responsibility for them selves, do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else and just in general go to heaven, hell or any other place they for some reason believes in in their own way.
I agree with Achoo regarding your own moral.
Doesn't the fact that all the corrupt corporations want libertarian values so they can exploit everyone, worry you? I mean it basically means they can do whatever they want, and in the past they've set up sweat shops around the world, controlled public opinion to justify war and help commit genocide in east timor. it's the right, for the rich to do anything they want to the rest of the population. I don't see how you can have corporations the way they are run atm without government, it will just result in absolute corporate tyranny.
As far as Chomsky goes, his view of no government is fine as long as power in corporations is decentralized and made democratic. I am also for less govt but not until corporations and workplaces become democratic, instead of just the will of 1 person or a few at the very top.
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On March 14 2013 03:54 DustySwedeDude wrote:
I hate Chomsky.
Dude says that corporation can't live without a nanny state (true for the corrupt ones) and then he criticises libertarians for wanting to get rid of the nanny state because it'll give the corporations to much powers. WTF?
Although he brings up the usual argument against libertarianism. That's cool. Well, this libertarian is giving money to schools in Africa, I've given money to people in need and I try my damned best to help people out when they need it. It's of my own free will and it feels good. I just don't feel I have the right to use force to make other people do the same.
I'm trying to live a good, moral life and support my family, help out my friends and give money to stuff I think is important. I'm a member of a small political party that wants out of the European Union and let anyone who wants to come to Sweden come to Sweden and when here work and take care of him- or herself. I want to get rid of the nanny state, I'd like people to be allowed to take responsibility for them selves, do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else and just in general go to heaven, hell or any other place they for some reason believes in in their own way.
I agree with Achoo regarding your own moral.
Doesn't the fact that all the corrupt corporations want libertarian values so they can exploit everyone, worry you? I mean it basically means they can do whatever they want, and in the past they've set up sweat shops around the world, controlled public opinion to justify war and help commit genocide in east timor. it's the right, for the rich to do anything they want to the rest of the population. I don't see how you can have corporations the way they are run atm without government, it will just result in absolute corporate tyranny.
As far as Chomsky goes, his view of no government is fine as long as power in corporations is decentralized and made democratic. I am also for less govt but not until corporations and workplaces become democratic, instead of just the will of 1 person or a few at the very top.
in an interesting turn of events it seems China has the best system after all
i don't have anything meaningful to contribute here just yet, but enjoyed the thread so far
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Gnarly United States. Mar 14 2013 07:52. Posts 1723
Sometimes, when I get depressed, I appreciate the simple fact that I can be depressed.
Well, I haven't seen a poll that says that corporation wants libertarianism (if they did, why doesn't the libertarian party get all the contributions?).
As it is now the government in the US and the governments of Europe are on the side of the corporations against the people. Obama is spending more money on war and military (ie: buying crap from the military corporations) then Bush every dreamed of. Obama is increasing spendings. Politicians is bailing out big companies and banks.
Yes, some companies are assholes. That is true, just as some people does bad things and a lot of governments wages unjust wars.
In a libertarian world the way to riches is to offer something enough people wants. In our world the way to riches is to offer something the politicians wants. What politician wants is often decided by their own personal gain. The problem is not who has the power, but the fact that anyone has the power of modern day governments. We need stronger personal rights, a stronger constitution and less government power over the people. No one has the right to tell me what to do as long as I don't hurt someone else by doing whatever I'm doing.
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ShLiM United Kingdom. Mar 14 2013 08:42. Posts 940
We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities... still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.
Charles Darwin
pretty much sums it up.
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The only thing I can contribute to this blog is this:
“Moral judgments are symptoms and sign languages which betray the process of physiological prosperity or failure” -Nietzsche.
We all want to be strong willed and powerful, creative and have goals that guide us etc. Those that fail (because admittedly it requires a lot of suffering) some times get miserable and bitter and their evaluations of everything around them are poisoned and biased by the way they resent themselves or the ones that are better. Do your best to feel content with who you are, struggle trying to reach the person you'd really want to be and I assure you, all this pessimism which you credit to "extreme morals" or "flawless logic" (while patting yourself in the back) will at least appear less certain. Self delusion 101: when something is not right with you, feel better by blaming everything else, find reasons to start pointing fingers so that you can feel the long lost sense of superiority.
I'm not saying that life isn't full of troubles btw
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On March 14 2013 02:55 Mariuslol wrote:
I feel it's fascinating when im neutral, it feels like a dream when im euphoric, and it feels as if it's always been like hell when im on a low
I can relate to that except i m not fascinated when im neutral. Its the only time i feel completely calm and relaxed and this i doubt occurs more than a few days a year
You are also right about me not being able to express myself good enough, not quite sure i can do it in my own language and my knowledge of english is nowhere near i want it to be, but at least im doing something about it now.
@ Loco
What you're doing sounds great. Except how did you get there. It feels impossible to me to be free of faith and hope and maybe the main problem is im doing only half of what you're doing. I expect the worst, but in the mean time hope for the best which often leads to a trainwreck. I cant just expect the worst since i do find the power of the mind & instincts to be ridiculously strong. Not in a way where you attract what you think like that retarded cheap attempt to score easy cash of a movie, but in a way which lets u be ambitious and pursue your goals, since if you are depressed and then even lack the motivation to get out of that state and achieve your goals you would be better of lobotomized. I dont think anyone can function properly without hope. I also used to believe that making decisions out of pure rationality is the best thing to do, but instincts happen to also be a powerful thing and im glad i take them into consideration now instead of just ignoring them. I was also about to buy some books about Schopenhauer few weeks back but i felt it would just put me in a shittier spot at this point.
I disagree about not living in the moment. Many people have already made that work and its seems like the only possible way to evolve further at least on an emotional level, problem is majority of the population is retarded so they put the YOLO concept in that too
@ lebowski
Sorry if I made it look like im patting myself on the back. You missed the part where I said im a part of that whole thing. I dont see how being a part of something that i hate makes me feel better. And I only said that about the logic because i simply cant find a crack in it which worries me and it was a provokation for someone to challenge it.
Just did bad cause the blog could be seen by 2 different point of views which are both right: 1 - type that would take the provocation and reply to it and 2- type that observe it and judge it.
Failing proccess could lead to selfdestruction if one does not have the proper mental setup to deal with it and the more it occurs the harder it is to protect the positive mental status where in the end it becomes a closed circle of failz.
I probably came off as an majorly angry person that, but its because I wrote this im not like that at all. And i did set some questions that i need to discuss in an anonymous surroundings, but with people that actually use their brains before writing . I always blame myself for any fail I have untill perfection which probably is the main problem. Consdering I am trying judge anything at all less, since judging is the easiest solution, Im guessing i made a few steps back in that direction
Glad the thread has become something interesting to read
On March 14 2013 07:42 ShLiM wrote:
We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities... still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.
Charles Darwin
pretty much sums it up.
Reminds me of an aphorism by Cioran which if I translate from the French would sound something like this:
"At the zoo. All these beasts have a decent presentation, except the monkeys. We can sense that man is near."
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On March 14 2013 08:05 lebowski wrote:
The only thing I can contribute to this blog is this:
“Moral judgments are symptoms and sign languages which betray the process of physiological prosperity or failure” -Nietzsche.
We all want to be strong willed and powerful, creative and have goals that guide us etc. Those that fail (because admittedly it requires a lot of suffering) some times get miserable and bitter and their evaluations of everything around them are poisoned and biased by the way they resent themselves or the ones that are better. Do your best to feel content with who you are, struggle trying to reach the person you'd really want to be and I assure you, all this pessimism which you credit to "extreme morals" or "flawless logic" (while patting yourself in the back) will at least appear less certain. Self delusion 101: when something is not right with you, feel better by blaming everything else, find reasons to start pointing fingers so that you can feel the long lost sense of superiority.
I'm not saying that life isn't full of troubles btw
You're not saying that life isn't full of troubles but you want to glorify the blind force that is nature. Glorifying the struggle for the sake of the struggle. Reason is seen as betrayal of those instincts which allow us to thrive through egoism. I don't understand why you deliberately wish to look at nature as your friend or something you should obey to (except because it makes you feel good). Does "nature" really have our best self-interest in mind? (I'm aware that the language is tricky here...) Did it equip us for happiness? Why should a man be happy to be man, rather than a lower animal, a plant, or nothing? I guess what I'm getting at is why should you look at consciousness (as we know it) as anything other than a disease?
Not only that, but there is no return to innocence. Misery is the price we have to pay for knowledge.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On March 14 2013 02:55 Mariuslol wrote:
I feel it's fascinating when im neutral, it feels like a dream when im euphoric, and it feels as if it's always been like hell when im on a low
I can relate to that except i m not fascinated when im neutral. Its the only time i feel completely calm and relaxed and this i doubt occurs more than a few days a year
You are also right about me not being able to express myself good enough, not quite sure i can do it in my own language and my knowledge of english is nowhere near i want it to be, but at least im doing something about it now.
@ Loco
What you're doing sounds great. Except how did you get there. It feels impossible to me to be free of faith and hope and maybe the main problem is im doing only half of what you're doing. I expect the worst, but in the mean time hope for the best which often leads to a trainwreck. I cant just expect the worst since i do find the power of the mind & instincts to be ridiculously strong. Not in a way where you attract what you think like that retarded cheap attempt to score easy cash of a movie, but in a way which lets u be ambitious and pursue your goals, since if you are depressed and then even lack the motivation to get out of that state and achieve your goals you would be better of lobotomized. I dont think anyone can function properly without hope. I also used to believe that making decisions out of pure rationality is the best thing to do, but instincts happen to also be a powerful thing and im glad i take them into consideration now instead of just ignoring them. I was also about to buy some books about Schopenhauer few weeks back but i felt it would just put me in a shittier spot at this point.
I disagree about not living in the moment. Many people have already made that work and its seems like the only possible way to evolve further at least on an emotional level, problem is majority of the population is retarded so they put the YOLO concept in that too
lolol, I feel the opposite. Whenver I read the ancient Greeks and Schopenhauer I feel very cheerful. Cioran wrote: "The more I read the pessimists, the more I love life. After reading Schopenhauer, I always feel like a bridegroom on his wedding night.” It only hits hard for those who are incurable optimists, I suppose.
I don't know how I got there, but I understand what you're saying. You are right that no one can function properly without hope, which is why I am completely sterile, but that's where I get an ounce of pride... because that's who I wanted to become... that's real superiority in my eyes. It's easy to have goals and ambitions and strive, that is the design of nature. The undoing of that is the truly hard and painful work.
Care to share with me how people manage to live in the present moment?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
If I were lying to myself I wouldnt actually realize it so kind of pointless for me to reply, but i wrote badly there, what i meant was i dont expect a perfect world, but yeah i do seek fairness.
Loco if I knew ... :D Guessing its somewhere in the lines of set basic goals and priorities, manage your time properly and only think about the thing you're doing right now which increases its quality too. You gotta fill up your everyday plan. Bet im missing most of it. But that sounds like a good thing for a longrun happiness/achievements ratio
On March 14 2013 08:05 lebowski wrote:
The only thing I can contribute to this blog is this:
“Moral judgments are symptoms and sign languages which betray the process of physiological prosperity or failure” -Nietzsche.
We all want to be strong willed and powerful, creative and have goals that guide us etc. Those that fail (because admittedly it requires a lot of suffering) some times get miserable and bitter and their evaluations of everything around them are poisoned and biased by the way they resent themselves or the ones that are better. Do your best to feel content with who you are, struggle trying to reach the person you'd really want to be and I assure you, all this pessimism which you credit to "extreme morals" or "flawless logic" (while patting yourself in the back) will at least appear less certain. Self delusion 101: when something is not right with you, feel better by blaming everything else, find reasons to start pointing fingers so that you can feel the long lost sense of superiority.
I'm not saying that life isn't full of troubles btw
You're not saying that life isn't full of troubles but you want to glorify the blind force that is nature. Glorifying the struggle for the sake of the struggle. Reason is seen as betrayal of those instincts which allow us to thrive through egoism. I don't understand why you deliberately wish to look at nature as your friend or something you should obey to (except because it makes you feel good). Does "nature" really have our best self-interest in mind? (I'm aware that the language is tricky here...) Did it equip us for happiness? Why should a man be happy to be man, rather than a lower animal, a plant, or nothing? I guess what I'm getting at is why should you look at consciousness (as we know it) as anything other than a disease?
Not only that, but there is no return to innocence. Misery is the price we have to pay for knowledge.
Life affirmation doesn't mean glorifying nature. Nature equals indifference, the will to live goes against that indifference; I take it you mean life? If I were to speak in praise of nature I would do so because I felt that someone makes an ill judgement somehow associated with the devine. A man has no reason to be happy to not be an animal or a plant, other than perhaps to desperately feel better over something... Consciousness as a disease is a weird thought, it makes more sense to me to see it as an accident originating in the social habits of humans. Consciousness is possibly dangerous, but only to the extent that it simplifies and thus falsifies the unconscious thoughts, emotions and perceptions (that become conscious through the effort of conceptually articulating them).
Your post raises too many hard questions for me to try to form a decent answer as a reply (supposing I could) so this is what you get =)
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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traxamillion United States. Mar 14 2013 15:59. Posts 10468
your reality is what you make it bro
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 14 2013 16:17. Posts 5304
On March 14 2013 07:02 DustySwedeDude wrote:
Well, I haven't seen a poll that says that corporation wants libertarianism (if they did, why doesn't the libertarian party get all the contributions?).
As it is now the government in the US and the governments of Europe are on the side of the corporations against the people. Obama is spending more money on war and military (ie: buying crap from the military corporations) then Bush every dreamed of. Obama is increasing spendings. Politicians is bailing out big companies and banks.
Yes, some companies are assholes. That is true, just as some people does bad things and a lot of governments wages unjust wars.
In a libertarian world the way to riches is to offer something enough people wants. In our world the way to riches is to offer something the politicians wants. What politician wants is often decided by their own personal gain. The problem is not who has the power, but the fact that anyone has the power of modern day governments. We need stronger personal rights, a stronger constitution and less government power over the people. No one has the right to tell me what to do as long as I don't hurt someone else by doing whatever I'm doing.
i mean the policies of the both the big parties have had the same-near similar economic principles of the libertarian party. That is, to deregulate, give freedom to the banks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 which was the main cause of the 2008 financial crisis.
'In a libertarian world the way to riches is to offer something enough people wants. In our world the way to riches is to offer something the politicians wants.'
okay, so you realize that the first sentence includes what can be done in the 2nd sentence? And if all politicians we're removed, it would just be higher ups in corporations instead that make those decisions. Explain to me how in a libertarian society how these people would have to worry about accountability at all?
And yeah government is really bad i agree. That's because corporations have power over them with propaganda. politicians have to fit the exact model of public opinion to get elected. And the media is a dominate force over public opinion.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Mar 14 2013 18:15. Posts 15163
thats why i largely ignore the news and try to feed my mind with positive stuff, id rather be happy than enlightened. I get shitloads of negatives in my sales job and in poker, if you bother thinking about this stuff too you gonna be one depressed mofo
I'll have to come back to this thread when I'm sober and more awake. Me drunk? Who would have guessed it? (champagne for the pain).
Something in the air? I actually had this exact same discussion with a client today for 2 hours. It was pretty boss. The interesting part about it is that during that period even though we were discussing how absurd, ridiculous, w/e existence is, we in someway actually were completely lost in transcendence and not at all concerned with the fact that we didn't exist and then now we do for a bit and then sometime at some point we will no longer exist. He gave me a plant. I now take care of this plant and every morning when I wake up and make my coffee and examine and take care of this plant I also am not concerned about the cold hard truths of existence. Then I drink my coffee and listen to good music and look at the sun and the blue sky and the birds chirping and go on occupying myself with x, y, z and hope to recreate similar transcendence in conversation, doing, creating, being, similar to this post I am currently writing right now which if it weren't for what I had just written would not have considered my existence and even now since I am full of wine and cognac and good vibrations from the excellent spotify channel I am currently taking part in everything is pretty a ok... until it's not but for now it is so that's pretty cool.
Joe Rogan podcast helps a lot. I live in a shitty spot and honestly haven't met anybody who I can really relate with my weird thoughts before tuning in years ago. Now at least there's a bunch of people like me in tl and the jre! Problem solved
Life is so much better because Germany didn't win world war 2 and I wasn't born in Africa, the middle east or North Korea. Just think how lucky we are man and stop focusing on things you can't really solve
On March 14 2013 05:38 Loco wrote:
“Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man.” - Nietzsche
"That human life must be some kind of mistake
is sufficiently proved by the simple observation
that man is a compound of needs which are hard to satisfy;
- that their satisfaction achieves nothing
but a painless condition
in which he is only given over to boredom . . ."
- Arthur Schopenhauer
I go through life without faith or hope. I have long learned that it is a deceiving tool, and while deceiving oneself tends to lead to happiness, it doesn't last, and reality just hits harder after. One should keep his expectations at the lowest, as the wise Greek philosophers advised. Life is hell, even for the privileged; we vastly overestimate our capacity for happiness. You say we have adapted to technology? Nah. Our brain and its size is still almost 100% the same as it was some 150,000 years ago, but the world changed dramatically. We can't cope with the world as it is, plasticity only helps so much. We have to rely on our defense mechanisms just so that we don't kill ourselves on the spot. We can't live in the present moment, we are slaves to time-consciousness, which is to say we are condemned to torment by our very self-reflective nature. The wise men have always known that life is suffering and came up with their own ways to minimize it. Now more than ever we need to listen to their insights on human living. It's just a matter of figuring out for yourself how far you are willing to follow them. My view on life can be summed up as such: Life is hell. Try to find a room furthest from the flames.
"Happiness is not a place but a way of travelling". Now I'm not judging you whatsoever but your sayings are at odds with your own philosophy. Denying reality and "finding a room furthest from the flames" are per se in contradiction with you going through life without hope or faith...
We all have hopes or faith, and you too, or else you'd have committed suicide a long time ago. You undoubtedly picture life as a nightmare but yet, seem to enjoy it in a way. Or maybe you like to roll yourself in self-pity and try to convince that your reality is also everyone's. You might call me delusional but believe it or not, I do enjoy life and you might also consider that death is not the end of our existence as "things" (Call it whatever you want: Soul, essence, eternal energy, etc ...). Consciousness is only misleading, not because you can "sense" does it mean you "are".
I'm denying reality? How the hell do you come to that strange thought from what I said? I have an attitude of denial towards the will to live, so I'm arming myself against the biological-incentive (<-- edited, put the wrong word earlier) system that we have built-in, but not denying reality. My intent a couple years ago was to understand human psychology and create a sort of science of happiness, an eudemonology (to the best of my ability). I came to the conclusion that living life like most people are doing does not facilitate happiness. My idea of happiness is more along the lines of the one of the ancient Greeks, eudaimonia, or the preserving of tranquility.
Well, I guess I should have precised: I have no hope/faith in humanity or things getting better. My hopes are things like "I hope my cat isn't sick" or things like that. I am glad that there are good human beings alive doing good things, but I think humanity is doomed and I would not mourn our species if we were suddenly about to become extinct.
I enjoy life too, I'm not anhedonic. I just think it's more bad than good. We are young and privileged people so we don't really realize this most of the time and we as a society suffer from an optimism bias which makes us feel like things are better than they really are. I just saw my girlfriend's great grandmother yesterday and she can no longer interpret her situation as being better than it really is because she can no longer do anything on her own, not even walk. She kept telling me she was miserable and would rather die, like a broken record. This is the reality that people try to hide from when they run around with their boners looking for the next exciting thing while they still have their health.
Probably the only thing that we can't doubt is that we are, so I don't know what you're on about with this last sentence. We can definitely argue that we cannot know "who we really are" but to straight up deny that you exist just because you "sense" that you exist is absurd.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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vasoline73 United States. Mar 15 2013 18:21. Posts 808
Take an 8th of shrooms or some LSD? Both are pretty amazing non addictive "safe" drugs that can put a new spin on perception.
(Fooled by Randomnes, The Black Swan, Antifragile, Dynamic Hedging)
To me, being hard on the outside and recognize that you are soft inside means to protect yourself from too much (any?) exposure to environmental factors that you don't wish to assimilate into one's personality. Humans are truly products of their environment. This is the reason I stopped excessively browsing message boards where you will always end up constantly reading posts by r-tards, or listening to debauched pop music, etc, can wear down anyone is what my long experience with a former period of depression has taught me.
Bad night to come to LP for lolz. Between learning of the existence of rape porn and now that video I now have not 1 but 2 new definitions for the phrase "fucked up" to the point of being fucked up that we as a people could consider developing a new word to truly emphasize the fuckedupness of fucked up that these items portray. There's always alcohol to drink and sinatra to listen to?
Brasil. Mar 14 2013 00:37. Posts 5230
