How has poker changed in 4 years?

Hi friends , enemies, playas, hatas, supah naytaaas,


Online poker 4 years ago vs online poker now , biggest difference?

muricans

people are older

no italians/french/americans

90% of the regs from 2008 went busto

Is the above true? If so, how come?

Are there a lot of new sites or is it the same top names?

On December 16 2012 09:44 AndrewSong wrote: 90% of the regs from 2008 went busto

Busto regular from 2008 confirming this statement.

lol, same here

In 2008 I was playing 5-10 times the stakes I'm playing now

On December 16 2012 10:33 Maz wrote: Are there a lot of new sites or is it the same top names?

www.pokerscout.com

people are way better preflop, postflop its still a shitfest and theres lots of room to manuever , although ppl stack off way tigher in general, 2 pair isnt the nuts anymore

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88 is the new AA

more and more threads like these

compare 2008 fedor and pacquiao to their current state.

French players + not so many bumhunters 4 y ago

Regs are kinda weird today, i dont really feel they are better - at least not up to midstakes. Most of the time i PKR the regs i play they are breakeven or losing small over a large sample (but winning after rakeback)
Regs in 2008 would maybe wait until you showed them aggression before they played back at you, while 2012 regs will just assume you have a wide range in every spot and call down a 3 barrell vs someone they never saw before with A high f.e

[x] beating NL 25/50 2 years ago
[ ] beating NL 4 today

On December 16 2012 15:52 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 10:33 Maz wrote: Are there a lot of new sites or is it the same top names? www.pokerscout.com

wtfff ???

Site/Network Players Online

PokerStars • reviews
N 102689

PokerStars.it** • reviews
N 58700
PokerStars.es** • reviews
N 61549
PokerStars.fr** • reviews
N 63939

how can they have almost twice the number of players in just those 3 countries, than the rest of the world?

da fuq

On December 17 2012 06:31 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2012 15:52 TalentedTom wrote:   On December 16 2012 10:33 Maz wrote: Are there a lot of new sites or is it the same top names? www.pokerscout.com wtfff ??? Site/Network Players Online PokerStars • reviews N 102689 PokerStars.it** • reviews N 58700 PokerStars.es** • reviews N 61549 PokerStars.fr** • reviews N 63939 how can they have almost twice the number of players in just those 3 countries, than the rest of the world?

bug / semi counting from .com

On December 16 2012 09:44 AndrewSong wrote: 90% of the regs from 2008 went busto

QFT! In 2008 I was playing 2/4 - 5/10. Now I don't even play anymore and work a regular job in a bank...

[x] reg from 2008
[ ]busto

On December 16 2012 09:44 AndrewSong wrote: 90% of the regs from 2008 went busto

90% of the regs from 2008 were from the USA and the DOJ busted their rolls.

[ ] reg from 2008
[x] busto

Mesmerizeplz now has facial hair

[x] busto in 2008
[x] reg in 2012

see for yourself http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/id/5555

in 2008 neilly was playing the same games he's playing now

k4ir0s - i'm a professional mtter.

im stateside skiing for a winter after 2 years traveling grinding which is very tiresome and stressful.

i'll be back on the fulltime stars mtt grind in feb/march at the latest.

so ya, in 2008 I didn't understand much, so your point is you have that much time on your hands?

Jlost88 and Woodbrave helped me plug my leaks in Las Vegas and to get me to play pretty much only MTT's in the summer of 2009, any hands b4 that i call null and void through the stoners act of #imustbeJesus@thismanyfollowers

Douche.

btw k4iros - in mtt's - you play where its profitable. That simple. I'm on Hero Poker now, theres nothing to play. and well, FT the 109 and 33 2r1a other day, seems a lil higher.

always online mtt's, look at my nano graph at sharkscope b4 u think to judge.

On December 17 2012 19:59 NeillyJQ wrote: Busto in 2008 [x] Busto in 2012 [x]

I kid!

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

Total Won:

$974,585.68

So how come he's busto.

Because he was(no idea currently) a sick degen who crushed mtt's then donated by playing games he shouldn't have been in. Say what you want about him, but he's a good MTTer who has consistently shown results.

On December 17 2012 21:19 nlloser60 wrote: http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ Total Won: $974,585.68 So how come he's busto.

thats prizes, not profit

90% of the regs from 2008 are busto and 90% of the regs in 2012 that i search up on PKR are breakeven over several 100.000 hands or slightly winning/losing (mostly winning small after rakeback).



Thanks a lot politics + video coaching sites !

On December 18 2012 01:26 VanDerMeyde wrote: 90% of the regs from 2008 are busto and 90% of the regs in 2012 that i search up on PKR are breakeven over several 100.000 hands or slightly winning/losing (mostly winning small after rakeback). Thanks a lot politics + video coaching sites !

by PKR do you mean PTR? I thought you couldn't search people on PTR anymore

On December 18 2012 04:39 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2012 01:26 VanDerMeyde wrote: 90% of the regs from 2008 are busto and 90% of the regs in 2012 that i search up on PKR are breakeven over several 100.000 hands or slightly winning/losing (mostly winning small after rakeback). Thanks a lot politics + video coaching sites ! by PKR do you mean PTR? I thought you couldn't search people on PTR anymore

Yes PTR back on ongame

has to be others who were nl25 grinders back in 08 who made it to high stakes

can't be that hard

On December 18 2012 06:06 Joeingram1 wrote: has to be others who were nl25 grinders back in 08 who made it to high stakes can't be that hard

i was breakeven at nl25 at the end of 2009 over 250k hands. Now im breakeven at nl400 over 250k hands.

According to my calculations, at the end of 2015, you'll be breakeven at nl5000 over 250k hands.

in 2008 the long run wasnt that long

2008 was like right before everyone started to search up Kaintd77 on PKR and opening many tables each for bumhunting right ?

[x] I could play online and make $200 an hr in 2008

[x] i could play online and make $200 an hr in 2012 but the government won't let me

On December 18 2012 13:52 YoMeR wrote: [x] I could play online and make $200 an hr in 2008 [x] i could play online and make $200 an hr in 2012 but the government won't let me

A+

After blackfriday, I made a friend on sc2 on twoplustwo chat. I played a lot of sc2 during then as a substitute for my poker withdrawal and he was always there. He played some poker too and claimed to be a 100nl reg. I did some PTR stalking and saw that he's actually a barely break even 50nl rb pro and threw a lot of jokes from the 100nl reg claim.

After few month of solid sc2 grinding, I made a blog post saying how ill have ppl watch me play for small hourly. He read my blog and asked me if he can be part of that. Knowing his bankroll, and considering him a close friend that I recently spent countless of hours with, I let him sweat me for free. We talked a lot and still played lot of games untill D3 came out. I abandoned sc2 and conquered the D3 world. He didn't play d3 much so I lost touch with his progress.

Fast forward to now, he's playing up to 50/100 regularly and made over 250k+ from 3 digit bankroll in little over a year.

[x] hope is still there

Party poker 2008 > winning the lottery

On December 18 2012 17:19 AndrewSong wrote: After blackfriday, I made a friend on sc2 on twoplustwo chat. I played a lot of sc2 during then as a substitute for my poker withdrawal and he was always there. He played some poker too and claimed to be a 100nl reg. I did some PTR stalking and saw that he's actually a barely break even 50nl rb pro and threw a lot of jokes from the 100nl reg claim. After few month of solid sc2 grinding, I made a blog post saying how ill have ppl watch me play for small hourly. He read my blog and asked me if he can be part of that. Knowing his bankroll, and considering him a close friend that I recently spent countless of hours with, I let him sweat me for free. We talked a lot and still played lot of games untill D3 came out. I abandoned sc2 and conquered the D3 world. He didn't play d3 much so I lost touch with his progress. Fast forward to now, he's playing up to 50/100 regularly and made over 250k+ from 3 digit bankroll in little over a year. [x] hope is still there

NO WAY.

sounds sick lol

FUCK YOU ANDREW ;OOOO

What if...


What if that happens to everyone who watches Andrew....

On December 18 2012 08:01 Mariuslol wrote: According to my calculations, at the end of 2015, you'll be breakeven at nl5000 over 250k hands.

your posts make me LOL hard man, good stuff ))

On December 18 2012 17:19 AndrewSong wrote: After blackfriday, I made a friend on sc2 on twoplustwo chat. I played a lot of sc2 during then as a substitute for my poker withdrawal and he was always there. He played some poker too and claimed to be a 100nl reg. I did some PTR stalking and saw that he's actually a barely break even 50nl rb pro and threw a lot of jokes from the 100nl reg claim. After few month of solid sc2 grinding, I made a blog post saying how ill have ppl watch me play for small hourly. He read my blog and asked me if he can be part of that. Knowing his bankroll, and considering him a close friend that I recently spent countless of hours with, I let him sweat me for free. We talked a lot and still played lot of games untill D3 came out. I abandoned sc2 and conquered the D3 world. He didn't play d3 much so I lost touch with his progress. Fast forward to now, he's playing up to 50/100 regularly and made over 250k+ from 3 digit bankroll in little over a year. [x] hope is still there

Fish on a heater!

lol that dude must be on a helluva ride.

In other news, AndrewSong probably the winningest person on this forum.

meanwhile in 2012..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/995365

Harder, less people play, fenced markets... what's not to like? Couldn't we just go back to 2004, please?

People stacked off with top pair regularly. Party Poker 10/20NL in 2007/8 makes .5/.10 nl look hard. My $/per hour about 1/4th of what it was back then and before.

People in 2008 said that ''the games are nothing like they used to be'' regurarly i remember

I think its usually people on big downswings that stand behind this type of talk

So wait, are you saying that everything is how it used to be?