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Raidern   Brasil. Aug 07 2012 09:04. Posts 4243

Maybe it's because I live in a hot area of Brazil, but I'd feel like a sir wearing any of the Outerwear stuff

im a regular at nl5 

TheTrees   United States. Aug 07 2012 09:48. Posts 1592

As someone who use to dress like a 15 year old and forced myself to expand my wardrobe, I can tell you it's all about what you feel comfortable with. I would figure out a basic style, go to an outlet mall with your GF, and try everything on that fits those parameters. I now mostly wear gym clothes (nike/sports gear) with nice sneakers as my daily standard. When I get semi-dressed up, I just go with a nice pair of jeans (check out lucky brand), a polo tee link/and or something like it, and a nice pair of shoes. I also love Lacoste polos and wear them quite frequently. But like I said, it's all about what's comfortable for you and we can only give you ideas. You really need to go to an outlet mall and try everything on until you find what you really like. It took me a 7 hour trip to finally figure out what I liked to wear.

 Last edit: 07/08/2012 09:49

Mariuslol   Norway. Aug 07 2012 10:07. Posts 4742

Whamm, last chapter I read in the Thinking Fast And Slow book juuuust said some shit about physical apperance, and that it really DOES matter, the only difference is that some people pretend it doesn't matter, or lie to themself. The brain will "like/dislike" someone because of their apperance, be it looks, clothing wether we want to or not, even if it's not distributed to our consciousness!!

So in a sense, you could say that we're all fags!!


Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:08. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 02:09 AndrewSong wrote:
If you're looking for alternative ways to dress while being able to treat the clothes as pajamas, it won't happen. I think best place to start would be with plain v-neck shirts with nice jeans, loafers, casual shoes or even sneakers for days you don't want to think. It'll be nice to have couple belts that can go with your shoes. I would recommend starting with v-neck shirts that is more fit around the neck. Looser ones can make you look too fat, skinny or bummed out. Ones that are loose on the neck only works if you're spending lot of time at the gym. You can find these at jcrew, saks fifth or basically any A list clothing store.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6PlBi_Umtrs...+T-shirt+www.tmart.in+Zac+Effron6.jpg

As for everyday wear - us guys only have t-shirt, polos, henley and long sleeved shirt(button up) that works for us. One of the not to do list is wearing short sleeved shirts. You don't do this period. If it's hot outside, you wear a shirt(button up) and roll the sleeves up.

You should buy some henleys too if you are looking for comfortable clothes to wear. V-neck shirts and henleys pretty much go with anything. You can throw in a blazer or a cardigan on top and u'll look fresh to head out at night. Even a nice hoodie works as well.

http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/Daniel_Waldron_vertical_blog.jpg



have never heard of henleys before. see them in stores and its kinda my style. seems rugby type shirts do fit me best but id feel like im going from dressing like a 15 year old to dressing like a 19 year old college student.



i do wear a lot of plain v-neck shirts. i got them from H&M and they cost like 6 bucks lol

im also in between sizes there. the small ones "fit" well but nearly show my midriff which is super gay. and the larges are billowy which is also a no no.

guess i gotta get more muscular to grow into em

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Darace   France. Aug 07 2012 12:08. Posts 255

American guys giving fashion tips.
Brilliant.


Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:20. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 01:37 PuertoRican wrote:
- Don't wear those board shorts and basketball shorts, unless you're going swimming or playing basketball.
- The 3rd pair of shorts are nice, just get a few more pair of those of different colors and patterns, don't get stuck in that black pattern, which is usually the most comfortable for guys to wear.
- Revamp your entire wardrobe to where you can look at all your clothes and say "damn, I look good". This consists of adding clothes little by little over time, and having at least 4 different websites saved in your Bookmarks that you check out regularly and have those stores email you every time a new sale starts.
- Don't buy a lot of clothes at one time that are of a certain style, you'll get owned when the trends change, like the Ed Hardy crap you mentioned already.
- Don't have a "favorite" outfit, that's something that you should grow out of after you graduate from high school.
- Don't be afraid to try stuff on, don't buy something just because it looks good, because you're probably seeing it look good on someone else, and might not be right for you. Once you have a sizable wardrobe of at least 15 different tops (not t-shirts), you will be able to eyeball tops and pick and choose items pretty quick.
- When you are buying items online, bookmark all of the items you want to buy, then wait at least 2 days and look at them again, you will end up saving a lot of money on clothes you don't buy on impulse.
- Get accustom to the different seasons and when the clothes come in and out of your favorite stores, this will allow you to buy some nice product on discount and also prepare you to not spend so much money at a certain time so you can get the new Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter line that is coming out soon.
- My favorite store to shop at for jeans is Guess. They always have good online/in-store sales, bonus program if you sign up for a Guess-card, and always have good looking girls working at the stores. My favorite thing to shop for at Guess are the jeans and seasonal long sleeve non-collared shirts, the shirts with collars are usually over priced. The jeans are between $100 - $130.
- In USA, I get more dressy shirts from Express, since they always have good deals on them.
- I almost forgot to add the biggest point of them all, KNOW YOUR SHIRT SIZE!!! Men look so fucking ridiculous when they don't know their shirt size or something similar to their shirt size, since most guys don't pay to have their shirts altered/fitted for them. Once you start wearing fitted shirts, you'll notice how retarded guys look with a bunch of extra fabric on their arms and on their back puffed out as they walk. There's fitted shirts you can buy, which are decent once you know your size, but it's best to pay someone to alter them for you, it's so worth it.
- There's websites where you can buy inexpensive shirts that get mailed to you in your exact size, you just have to know all of your measurements.
- In the end, it all depends on how much money you're looking to spend on clothes. If you want to actually be fashionable, it will cost you. The steps/items I listed above is a great place for you to start, which can then lead you into more creative ideas that will cost you more money to put outfits together, and this doesn't even include the super expensive brands that are a whole other story.

These are just some ideas I thought of real quick, lemme know if you have any other questions.

Always remember this: "If you stay ready, you don't got to get ready." - Suga Free



i follow most of this advice already. when you say know your shirt size what do you mean exactly? im somewhere between M and L which blows. but yesterday i was walking around nordstrom rack and there were sizes with numbers and i got scared and walked away lol. is that what you meant?

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Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:25. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 04:44 Watkyn wrote:
I'm a menswear enthusiast and also work part-time at a (high-end) menswear store as a "stylist"

Basic pointers:

- Fit is everything. You can pay $200 for a nice shirt, if it's too big (not just the size, but the general cut) it won't work. This is by far the most important thing in menswear.

- You don't have to be adventurous or be "in style", you have to feel good about yourself. Don't wear skinny jeans because GQ tells people to, don't wear Clark's Desert Boots because r/MFA (reddit) tells you to. Find a style you feel comfortable with, and stick with it. Having a "uniform" isn't a bad thing for guys if it looks good. You'll overtime change/improve your own style.

- On trousers. In the online men's style community everyone will only talk about raw denim. Raw denim is dark, unwashed denim that will age over time. I personally only wear raw denim. Another common option is chinos. The most important part is the fit. If it's bunching up at your feet, get it hemmed. If it's too loose around your calves, but another pair. You don't want it to be skin tight, but you do want it fitted. It isn't for "fashion", it just looks better. I freaking love denim, if you want to know some affordable brands/models, ask! I'm currently wearing a pair of Tellason Ladbroke Grove's

All those shorts you've posted look quite immature to me. If you see any sort of prints on it (letters or logos) you'll want to avoid them. If you want to start easy wearing nicer shorts, get a pair of plain navy shorts that end right above your knee (like this) . If you have thin legs, a slight taper (slim fit) would help. But the most important part is the length. If it's too long (like boardshorts) they'll make you look disproportionate and thus unflattering.

- Shoes. Leather shoes aren't for everyone. If you want to wear sneakers, I'd advice you to buy something easy and classic. I personally like white Vans Authentics (looks great under navy shorts without showing socks!). Converse Jack Purcell's and Superga's work too. Just look them up and see what you like. If you want to wear leather shoes, Clark's Desert Boots (preferably in beeswax) is the easiest to pull off and quite affordable. They look good under denim and chinos.. but not under shorts!

- Shirts. I only wear sportshirts. By that I mean "dress shirts" that aren't supposed to be under a suit. They are made with more casual looking fabrics. I always tuck my shirts in too. If you have the money to spend, my favorite sport shirts are by Gitman Vintage. They are made in the US, with great fits and fantastic fabrics. If you have less to spend. Brooks Brother's extra-slimfit sport shirts are great, and J. Crew is known for their cool sport shirts too. Some examples from J. Crew: 1, 2, 3.

Now, the absolute most important part about the shirt is again, the fit. A well fitting shirt isn't what you see in GQ where everything is skin tight (they pin it from behind anyway), but it also should never billow. There are a lot of guides online telling you how a shirt should fit, look it up, and try to get a feel for it. It, again, is the absolute most important part of your clothing.

Since you want pictures, you should check out some men's style blogs. What I want you to mainly look at is the fit. Some blogs:

Put This On: www.PutThisOn.com - more of a classical style (a lot of suits), but also other very valid information. Their webseries is really good too
Midwestyle: www.TheMidwestyle.com - I really like their personal styles, great fits and a good source of "real world" inspiration
The Styleblogger: www.TheStyleblogger.com - a bit too fashion-forward for my taste, dont always like his fits but there are some good ones

If you like like forums. www.Styleforum.net is my favorite. Note that you'll be getting an expensive taste after spending a couple of hours there...

If you are serious about looking awesome, send me a PM with a photo of yourself with your favorite and/or daily outfit, I'll probably be able to help you much better that way!



solid post. one comment on the j crew shirts: i think the plaid style for shirts is really fucking lame. invariably it either makes someone look like a skateboarder or a huge nerd wearing them. those shirts are not really plaid but are kinda plaid. the 3rd one is really cool though, the pencil lined shirt is much more my style

ill go through those blogs too

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Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:27. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 02:11 byrnesam wrote:
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some of this advice is really good. some of the advice isnt my style at all though. the stuff that business casual guy is wearing is stuff i would never feel comfortable in. def gonna scroll through some of the other things on those pictures though

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Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:31. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 05:44 morph1 wrote:
you don't have to be fashion expert to dress nice
wearing those basketball shorts and jiujitsu tshirts all the time is realy lame
I train bjj and beside manto shorts that I wear exclusievly when I roll... I hate any weardrobe that is bjj/mma/poker/gaming related
it's just terrible taste to wear it and you look like one of those "wannabe" egoistic tards that are trying realy hard to be part of something they are not
I saw some realy cool bjj tshirts that are somewhere descrete but even them I would avoid

simple advice... find some friends that are folowing the fashion
do some googling and just find what do you like and what should you wear

also in all of this big shops you have guys/girls that are working there and they will help you a lot if you are realy clueless
looks also what type of combinations they put on mannequin in stores and get some idea what's "in" and what's not
and yea you have try things first so you can now what fits you and what not.. so fuck internet for this things
even shoes sometimes look ugly when you hold them but when you wear them they are actualy nice on your feet




i always hated guys who wear tapout shirts, affliction shirts, MMA shirts etc. the gracie ones im wearing feel a bit more subtle and ok, but youre right, wearing them out in public is still retarded.

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Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:45. Posts 8955


  On August 07 2012 07:09 Mariuslol wrote:

Hey, I don't know a lot about Fashion, but I did what I usually do when I ponder on things....


I start searching on the internet lol!!

There seem to be a pretty big sub reddit on Male Fashion Advice on reddit. Over 122k subscribers!!


How Clothes Should Fit: http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionad...hrtv/shujins_comprehensive_fit_guide/


Matching Colors: http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionad..._epicviking_teaches_you_how_to_match/


The Basic Wardrobe: http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/mu2zu/the_basic_wardrobe_30/


Common Style Acronyms: http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/srukc/acronyms/



that color one is definitely gonna help me. going with dark grey/navy/white seems like a good basic palette.

but im kinda an in betweener on his list. i have dark hair, my eyes are sometimes brown sometimes green (change) and olive skin so sometimes im white-ish but i can get darker

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Daut    United States. Aug 07 2012 12:52. Posts 8955

it seems a lot of you guys are talking about fit and thats one of the biggest problems im having. i just fall in between sizes so frequently. i cant seem to find shirts that are just long enough and just snug enough on me. almost all of them are either too short or too billowy. and whenever i do find a shirt thats perfect it has some huge stupid emblem or design on it like the express lion.

the problem doesnt just happen with shirts its with pants too. my waist is a 33. they usually have 32 or 34 which are either too tight or falling off me.


if i wasnt so mentally challenged when it came to this stuff i would start a clothing line for the in between man where guys like me that arent medium or large and arent 32 or 34 can find shit that fits us

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okyougosu   Russian Federation. Aug 07 2012 13:07. Posts 963

use lp.net clothes shop
other than that order a decent personal designer buiseness suit for major style switch

Lammerman 

ilbh   Brasil. Aug 07 2012 13:20. Posts 275

you can't go wrong with jeans(pants) + button shirt and a tshirt underneath. let the first button opened and pull the sleeves if you think you look better that way.
it's casual and confortable.
edit: and don't put the shirt inside the pants.
edit2: first or the first 2 buttons opened

just my 2 cents. I hope you understand what I meant, cause I couldn't find any image on google to show you an example and my english sucks lol

 Last edit: 07/08/2012 14:36

Watkyn   Netherlands. Aug 07 2012 13:22. Posts 10


  On August 07 2012 11:52 Daut wrote:
it seems a lot of you guys are talking about fit and thats one of the biggest problems im having. i just fall in between sizes so frequently. i cant seem to find shirts that are just long enough and just snug enough on me. almost all of them are either too short or too billowy. and whenever i do find a shirt thats perfect it has some huge stupid emblem or design on it like the express lion.

the problem doesnt just happen with shirts its with pants too. my waist is a 33. they usually have 32 or 34 which are either too tight or falling off me.


if i wasnt so mentally challenged when it came to this stuff i would start a clothing line for the in between man where guys like me that arent medium or large and arent 32 or 34 can find shit that fits us


,
Levi's is affordable. Their 511 fit would work for you I think. They call it skinny, but it's not, especially not with your build. You can find them everywhere, also in size 33. The 514 is the slightly less slim version if that's what you prefer.

No one is "between medium or large". Every brand is cut differently. In some brands I'm an XS, most S and occasionally an M. Your build is just very hard. J. Crew makes shirts for tall sizes. have you tried those yet? If you've found a shirt you really like but isn't slim enough, you can always bring it to the tailor.

When you're in a store, ask a sales rep what brand they have might fit your build. They know the stuff they sell and might can help you with that. Don't trust them on their style advice tho, they are there to sell stuff.

There are places online where you can get custom shirts for a very reasonable price. Measure your best fitting shirt, make the adjustments you need, send the measurements to them and they'll make it for you. It'll probably take 2 or 3 times before it's perfect, but it's a very good option. You can get the exact same custom, well-fitting shirt whenever you want. www.ModernTailor.com is probably the biggest one. I've used them a couple of times.

 Last edit: 07/08/2012 13:28

PuertoRican   United States. Aug 07 2012 13:36. Posts 13030

As for the "know your size" thing, you need to know all of the different angle sizes for your upper body, like arm lengh, shoulder, neck, chest, and waist width. I'd recommend Googling tailors/alterations in your area, you get good quality work from the Asian ladies who have businesses out of their home cuz they are basically the same people making your shirt in the first place. Once you write down your shirt dimensions, you can either order tailored shirts online or have them tailored at a local shop. Know whether or not you want to tuck in your shirt or leave it hanging out, I leave mine hanging out for non-business type shirts, which means you need to have your shirt length written down cuz you want it like 2-3 inches below your belt, enough where it wont show your back when you bend over and not too long cuz it looks sloppy.

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Mariuslol   Norway. Aug 07 2012 14:04. Posts 4742


Omg, got sick idea!!

Go lift some weights in the gym, and wear the stuff that's more on the smaller side, rather than large!!

Not only will you look more dashing (bulging out eveywhere), no more "in between" problems!!


Gumster   Sweden. Aug 07 2012 14:15. Posts 2290

so much great advice in this thread, watkyn knows his shit, and i would just like to stress what he's saying, cuz this is really the shit when it comes to clothes which too many men just overlook:


  On August 07 2012 04:44 Watkyn wrote:

- Fit is everything. You can pay $200 for a nice shirt, if it's too big (not just the size, but the general cut) it won't work. This is by far the most important thing in menswear.



Do not push the river, it will flow by itself. - Polish proverb 

Critterer   United Kingdom. Aug 07 2012 15:00. Posts 5337

either hit the gym pretty hard and put on some muscle around chest/arms or get everything tailored tbh. otherwise u are always gunna have the same issue with fit.

though if your 34inch waist shorts are too loose. get them taken in to a 33 by a tailor.

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milkman   United States. Aug 07 2012 17:33. Posts 5719

im not pro at this but i do alright, i have a very very simplistic approach.
1 or 2 pairs of casual boots / dress shoes ( on the casual side ) i snag up about 6 pairs of currently stylish jeans, right now obv boot cut is way out, but something that fits well. And then down to H&M and express and pick up about 10-15 nice dress shirts, and im pretty set. I try and do this enough that i replace everything once a year to stay up to date.

I get totally boned when it comes to wearing shorts tho, i have no idea what to do.

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patti   United States. Aug 07 2012 18:31. Posts 550

If you can afford it...bespoke everything


 
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