On April 20 2012 02:26 pluzich wrote:
there are people who understand game theory and there are people who don't. Here I see three people who don't - that is the players and capaneo.
There are people who have a life and there are losers like you. Just sit down in your underwear in front of your computer and Google and Wikipedia random shit in a hope to try to sound like an expert on every topic while knowing that you have no idea what those things actually are.
Game theory? Who da fuck are you to comment about game theory? What have you ever done in your depressing life that makes you think you are an expert on anything? Do something, get some credibility, before you dare to judge other people's knowledge on stuff that you just read about 10min ago?
But I know that you will go and spend the rest of your dismal sad life with your pathetic imaginary online friends who are as human as HAL in the Kubrick movie. But probably you have no idea what Im talking about and you are now too embarrassed to Google that one.
Now we know that besides having no knowledge in Game Theory and being the thickest person on LP.net (from the shit you post in ROFL thread), you also have a very small penis.
If someone posted "you don't understand Game Theory" I would not be mad at all, despite having a game-theory related paper published. And you get mad as if you are fucking John Nash.
Been a lurker for a long time, good friend of mine showed me the ROLF thread one day and been hooked ever since, I am casual poker/SC2/HoN player. Your basic Degen and I just have to say all the flaming and fighting over the last few days has been very entertaining. Thanks for the ROLFS
On April 20 2012 12:35 morph1 wrote:
Nash equilibrium
damn this one was good
omg lol, what a witch lol
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On April 20 2012 02:26 pluzich wrote:
there are people who understand game theory and there are people who don't. Here I see three people who don't - that is the players and capaneo.
There are people who have a life and there are losers like you. Just sit down in your underwear in front of your computer and Google and Wikipedia random shit in a hope to try to sound like an expert on every topic while knowing that you have no idea what those things actually are.
Game theory? Who da fuck are you to comment about game theory? What have you ever done in your depressing life that makes you think you are an expert on anything? Do something, get some credibility, before you dare to judge other people's knowledge on stuff that you just read about 10min ago?
But I know that you will go and spend the rest of your dismal sad life with your pathetic imaginary online friends who are as human as HAL in the Kubrick movie. But probably you have no idea what Im talking about and you are now too embarrassed to Google that one.
Now we know that besides having no knowledge in Game Theory and being the thickest person on LP.net (from the shit you post in ROFL thread), you also have a very small penis.
If someone posted "you don't understand Game Theory" I would not be mad at all, despite having a game-theory related paper published. And you get mad as if you are fucking John Nash.
I can give you a kiss if that makes you feel better? + Show Spoiler +
Edit: I am not mad or anything. I actually wrote that as a joke. When you say random sentences like your first and second post. What kind of response you are looking for? Like what do you expect me to say about what you posted which has NOTHING to do with the flow of the conversation? I think I gave you the exact replies that you would want to hear when you make posts like that, didn't I?
If you want to explain the game theory and say something about it with some level of detail to make a point. I would really appreciate that. Other wise just keep on posting random one liners which makes no sense and i will do the same when i have time to have a laugh at making stupid comments. Its a freaking Poker Forum anyways. What kind of a loser would come here with the goal to learn anything anyways?
I also never said I know anything about game theory. And I don't know anything about game theory. I have took classes that talked about it but I never claim to know game theory.
PS:What is the name of the paper and publication that you have published about game theory? Please tell me I want to look it up.
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On April 20 2012 11:47 player999 wrote:
I think capaneo's point isn't "which option you should pick", it is: say you're gonna steal, it leaves the other guy no choice
This is what I mean. And why I thought this was very well played.
If you start FIRST and say I grantee you I will STEAL but I will split afterwards the other guy have no choice. He can pick steal and look like a fool and 100% loose. Or he can split and loose the money and has a chance of lets say 10%-15% of actually splitting the money as promised.
Who ever comes out saying Im going to 100% grantee STEAL and i will split with you afterwards basically have so much leverage over the other person that the 2nd guy is forced into only one rational decision. 10% chance of taking the afterwards-split deal the 0% of the money by choosing Steal its by no means a rational decision.
Wouldn't work in the prisoners case obv. Because you can not share jail sentence or death penalty or whatever. But in many cases, like this one, it is a very nice play.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
On April 20 2012 11:47 player999 wrote:
I think capaneo's point isn't "which option you should pick", it is: say you're gonna steal, it leaves the other guy no choice
This is what I mean. And why I thought this was very well played.
If you start FIRST and say I grantee you I will STEAL but I will split afterwards the other guy have no choice. He can pick steal and look like a fool and 100% loose. Or he can split and loose the money and has a chance of lets say 10%-15% of actually splitting the money as promised.
Who ever comes out saying Im going to 100% grantee STEAL and i will split with you afterwards basically have so much leverage over the other person that the 2nd guy is forced into only one rational decision. 10% chance of taking the afterwards-split deal the 0% of the money by choosing Steal its by no means a rational decision.
Wouldn't work in the prisoners case obv. Because you can not share jail sentence or death penalty or whatever. But in many cases, like this one, it is a very nice play.
I would just take steal as well because I don't trust people on their word(when it comes to money anyway) and if I get nothing, neither does he+ there is the small chance he takes split like in this vid. But thats just me
how can u shove the river, he cant possibly call with worse -TalentedTom
On April 20 2012 11:47 player999 wrote:
I think capaneo's point isn't "which option you should pick", it is: say you're gonna steal, it leaves the other guy no choice
This is what I mean. And why I thought this was very well played.
If you start FIRST and say I grantee you I will STEAL but I will split afterwards the other guy have no choice. He can pick steal and look like a fool and 100% loose. Or he can split and loose the money and has a chance of lets say 10%-15% of actually splitting the money as promised.
Who ever comes out saying Im going to 100% grantee STEAL and i will split with you afterwards basically have so much leverage over the other person that the 2nd guy is forced into only one rational decision. 10% chance of taking the afterwards-split deal the 0% of the money by choosing Steal its by no means a rational decision.
Wouldn't work in the prisoners case obv. Because you can not share jail sentence or death penalty or whatever. But in many cases, like this one, it is a very nice play.
I would just take steal as well because I don't trust people on their word(when it comes to money anyway) and if I get nothing, neither does he+ there is the small chance he takes split like in this vid. But thats just me
thats not really, the point, doesnt matter if u actually will steal or not, the point is you forced him to split
and actually, if the guy goes "WHAT? FUCK YOU!" mode and pick steal, he likely will feel bad after you take split after saying that and realize what you were doing (what the guy in the video did) and split with you afterwards because he knows now that you were always splitting
I'd still steal tho
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
My view: This is a 0 EV game if both players plays "correctly" BUT players have the option to do a pact where they both agree not to make the correct play so they can both get much higher EV than 0. If you agree to pact and swear to hold on to your word, and you don't actually do it to steal a lot of money from the other person, i think its just as bad as doing the same thing in real life in similar situations. To me, people who swore they are going to split while looking the other person in the eyes trying to look as honest as they can and actually stole are no better than scammers such as darkxprt. By breaking your word you are not outsmarting anyone, guys who split understands that its not the most +EV decision, but their own honor and dignity is more important than money.
this is a very different thing than poker (nothing wrong with lying in a poker game).
An example of a similar situation would be, you see scout (legendary fish) sit a high stake table and decide to sit there, and another pro does the same. Scout request to play heads up, and if none of you leaves, then hes going to leave and none of you will get money. Both of you don't want to get no profits, so the other pro tells you to let him play scout and hes going to give you half the profits. I'm sorry but if the pro does not hold on to his words, hes a scammer and should be ashammed.
Another "proof" that the poker player approach to this game is not really correct is, if ALL of LP played this game together, then LP's EV would be much lower than if a bunch of honest people played the game together. Even tho the decision of stealing is individually more +EV, it is "collectively" more -EV (if you steal there is a chance none get anything, if you split, there is no chance nobody gets anything), so when the majority of the players makes collective +EV decisions, the group benifitiate way more.
I'm sorry but if you watched the 100K video and you think that girl was not shady as fuck your values have gone wrong somewhere.
I agree with Floofy. And want to add something over the top.
In the first video when the dude tells you he is going to steal and then split with you afterwards.
There are three outcomes obv.
Lets say you choose steal and they other guy also chooses steal. Then you have no money AND you look like a jackass and the guy will yell at you why did you do sth so fucked up and everyone thinks you are an idiot.
If you choose split and the guy wins and splits the money (weather he steals and give you half after or just splits like in this case) its obv a win.
But lets say you split, he steals and after the show he tells you to fuck off. In this case, THE OTHER guy looks like a jackass. Everyone would feel bad for you and you are the victim here. So atleast you do feel good.
So you see when the first person talking says he is going to steal no matter what and split with you afterwards. Not only its +EV for you to always split money wise. Emotionally its also always +EV.
So you can not really loose.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
U mad? You have to be pretty shallow to give a fuck how you look like after the game, for example this chick in the 2nd vid should look like a total bitch except she isnt she s a Boss, why would she care if she looks bad on tv if she manipulated someone into losing 6 figures ? You have no right to mix up emotions + rational decisions - both things are mutually incompatible. They r not there to amuse the public, they r there to cash money. So indeed you are absolutely wrong split is -EV both emotionally and profitwise no matter what. Thinking otherwise makes you really easily manipulated
Its not like anyone loses anything here, its a game - he left with exactly the same amount of money he came in with - the quality of his life will remain the same. She played the game better then he did and to the victor go the spoils, she owes him absolutely nothing to think that she took "his money" is ridiculous
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WOW! Im surprised how much Nazgul and Talented Tom's moral compass is broken!
How can you guys possibly think that she didn't took "his" money and do something EXTREMELY wrong?
The money was there to split FOR BOTH OF THEM. They had an agreement and she LIED and manipulated the other person for her personal gain. How can you NOT see that as a problem?
If you and I find a treasure for 100k and we decide to split. And you trust me and put me in charge of selling it or sth. Then I screw you over your share. Can I say "your quality of life is the same as before, just move on!"
Same as survivor TV show. If you are going around liying and manipulating people you are a fucked up person.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
if you choose split and the other chooses steal in my eyes you look like a naive jackass. not the other way around.
i agree that saying you are going to steal and being adamant about it is the way to go. you have to force your opponent into going split. whether you give him half or not is up to you, but it is pretty much wrong to do anything else
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On April 21 2012 11:48 capaneo wrote:
WOW! Im surprised how much Nazgul and Talented Tom's moral compass is broken!
How can you guys possibly think that she didn't took "his" money and do something EXTREMELY wrong?
The money was there to split FOR BOTH OF THEM. They had an agreement and she LIED and manipulated the other person for her personal gain. How can you NOT see that as a problem?
If you and I find a treasure for 100k and we decide to split. And you trust me and put me in charge of selling it or sth. Then I screw you over your share. Can I say "your quality of life is the same as before, just move on!"
Same as survivor TV show. If you are going around lying and manipulating people you are a fucked up person.
Your analogy is flawed, because the money on this show is not guaranteed whereas finding treasure is 100% guaranteed - the EV of a split on this show (even on that 100k one) is not 50k could be closer to 25-30k - whereas the EV of splitting actual treasure of exactly 50/50 (100% of the treasure is realized, whereas on this show often times no one gets anything) , she cant be sure that hes going to fk her, this guy is not her friend, she isn't backstabbing anyone. After watching a few episodes of this show on you tube, there are A LOT of of people with honest faces who take it all. Just because he had a sincere appearance does not mean we should trust him, we don't know whats going on in his mind
I think a lot of you are confusing a game show with real life and making it too personal - the purpose of most games is to win. When you are on a game show your primary goal should be to win, otherwise your just wasting time. That's almost like saying I should stop playing this fish heads up because hes down too much money, it's completely irrational thinking. She will likely never have a financial opportunity like this ever again, she took fool advantage of it. I'd have 100% no problem sleeping at night after this (in fact I'd sleep better knowing that I made the highest EV descion)
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
This is a british show right? I was just wondering, if a person makes a promise to give the other guy half of the money afterwards (like that guy who basically told the other guy that he was 100% on choosing steal) and picks steal and the other guy picks split. Is that verbal contract between them a 'real contract' by british laws? You could obviously use the video from the show as proof of the verbal contract?
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