Prisoners Dilemma - Page 7

Imagine you're on a date with a girl, and you're asking bout likes and dislikes, it's rofl worthy the amount of lies we put out to look better.

This is just for lolz:

Absurd:

inconsistent with reason or common sense. Utterly opposed to truth or reason. Ridiculous implies that something is fit only to be laughed at, perhaps contemptuously. A ridiculous suggestion. Preposterous implies an extreme of foolishness.

I also noticed that I shortened it down to 5 minute, when I looked it up it was 15 minutes.

If 2 test subjects are put to talk, they only lie around 3-5 times in 10 minutes, but when it's random, stranger you meet at the hospital, out, date, it's A LOT MORE.

There is also a TEDTalk on the subject, and books with references that explains it. The lies can go from little white ones, to bigger one with falsehood in them.

On April 24 2012 02:55 aCa_ wrote: It easy to say stealing is the +ev choice blablahblah behind the keyboard and having no connection to these stranger but I think some of you guys would change your mind once you start to see that these are actually real fucking people. If they told you that they needed the money for their kids cancer treatment and their life depended on this money would you still be able to steal? just something to think about.

this is a game show, not findafriend.com

"If they told you that they needed the money for their kids cancer treatment and their life depended on this money would you still be able to steal" seems like this person has more incentive to steal because they have less to lose, furthermore and more importantly, how do you know they are telling you the truth, seems like an awfully good lie to tell in a show like this

A similar argument could be made, "should I stop playing this fish heads up because he lost 50% of his roll, hes tilted and if he continues to play me he will lose his entire bankroll" If you knew that if this player lost his remaining bankroll he would not be able to pay this months rent, would you stop playing him? For me the answer is 100% hell no, this dumbass knew what he was getting into. What your suggesting is maybe we should get to know him and show him empathy. These are games, and the reason they are so fun is because they are against people and not computers. People are unpredictable and dynamic, that's where the fun comes from. The idea that anyone can screw you over at any moment is what makes this show / idea so appealing

It seems that capaneo/floofy think that somehow both players are entitled already to the money or at least part of it. It's not even like poker where at least you put down your own money. As someone else said they haven't won anything yet so they can't lose anything, you aren't stealing anything FROM them, they still have to beat you to win the cash.

It doesn't matter what everyone would personally do in that situation and you can't know if the guys that won actually gave something back or not, but you can't expect them to or think that they are bad people just because they won it all fair and square. It seems most people here would donate some % if the other person really needed it, which in my eyes is very impressive and definetly not something most people would do.

Both players should be expected to get lied to by the other players, like in poker when they ask "what you had in that big pot?" and you reply "nuts" when in reality you had bullshit, is it dishonest while playing? How is that any different from this game?

TL;DR: No one is losing anything, it's a game there are winners and losers.

On April 24 2012 10:19 Mariuslol wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2012 22:22 player999 wrote:   On April 23 2012 12:10 Mariuslol wrote: Besides, on average people tell 40 lies the first 5 minute they talk to a stranger. this is absolutely wrong and absurd It's an objective truth, if you see it differently that's just your subjective opinion of it, an utility xD For instance "ohh, you like to read??" "Yeaah, I read a lot" <--- One lie... "What kind of stuff do you read" (Here we ship in what we think will put us in the best light). Ahh okay cool, So what "blabla do you prefer" (Ahh I prefer, and "here we put in something a little more noble, cooler, more awesome, so that'll we'll come on better footing). And so it goes... xD

that means 1 lie every 7.5 seconds, in average, people cant even SAY 1 THING every 7.5 seconds to a stranger for a full 5 minutes, let alone 1 lie every 7.5s ON AVERAGE.

that is ridiculous

some people tell 0 lies or say, 2 lies in the first 5m, so you're saying for each of those theres another one that fires 78-80 lies in 5m? 1 every 3.75 seconds? not only the have to be compulsive talkers, to say 1 thing that is passive of being qualified as a lie, they also have to be compulsive liers to have them all be lies

cant believe im arguing this

i know what absurd means, what you said is absurd, and even multiplying the timeframe by 3, it still is

On April 24 2012 14:43 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2012 10:19 Mariuslol wrote:   On April 23 2012 22:22 player999 wrote:   On April 23 2012 12:10 Mariuslol wrote: Besides, on average people tell 40 lies the first 5 minute they talk to a stranger. this is absolutely wrong and absurd It's an objective truth, if you see it differently that's just your subjective opinion of it, an utility xD For instance "ohh, you like to read??" "Yeaah, I read a lot" <--- One lie... "What kind of stuff do you read" (Here we ship in what we think will put us in the best light). Ahh okay cool, So what "blabla do you prefer" (Ahh I prefer, and "here we put in something a little more noble, cooler, more awesome, so that'll we'll come on better footing). And so it goes... xD that means 1 lie every 7.5 seconds, in average, people cant even SAY 1 THING every 7.5 seconds to a stranger for a full 5 minutes, let alone 1 lie every 7.5s ON AVERAGE. that is ridiculous

Scroll up and read my post lol, I already said I exagerrated and wrote 5 min instead of 15 to get a point across.

3-4 posts over yours.

lal

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Most people r insecure about themselves its only natural that they would react offensive by lying to a person they've just met. When you get to know someone you ask a lot of questions some of which directly hit his ego, knowing what the other person expects and what the reality is a lie seems like the most suitable option for most so 15 lies @ 1st 5 mins doesnt really sound absurd. On avarage its probably true.It makes perfect sense and its pretty much an instinct. Its all an aftermath of retarded society beliefs and its kinda sad too

P.S. getting to know someone doesnt necessarily mean you've gone out w them somewhere, it could mean the taxi driver on the way home asking u about something or the waitress asking you something random while you choose from the menu etc.

sure, we lie a lot, we lie a lot to strangers on first few minutes

but 40 fucking lies on AVERAGE, I mean, I can see someone lying 40 times in 15m but that is the worst case scenario, not the FUCKING AVERAGE

some people are shy, they cant even say 10 things, let alone 40 things, in 15m, to a stranger

and if you go ahead and check how much of then are lies, even if its 70%, it shows how absurd 40l/15m is

On April 24 2012 18:12 Spitfiree wrote: P.S. getting to know someone doesnt necessarily mean you've gone out w them somewhere, it could mean the taxi driver on the way home asking u about something or the waitress asking you something random while you choose from the menu etc.

just look at this, does the taxi driver asks, on AVERAGE, 40 things? and are ALL the answers lies??
if you say 40 lies to waitresses in 15m, on average, you are a psychopath

Mariuslol thinks this forum is a dungeon and dragons game. His posts are wild and out of control. I wouldn't be surprised if he did shrooms.

didnt read the whole thread but im amazed by how many people fail to see what this dilemma is really about.

Everybody with a half functional brain knows what the optimal strategy to maximize money is, but this is a problem about morality.

I would add a rule, you cannot give the money back... otherwise you can circunvent the problem with "ill steal and give half of it back".

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To my answer if i feel the other person is honest i would split and feel god damn good about it, i much rather return home with an empty wallet than an empty soul..

"Oh its a gameshow" like it was somehow not real, the money is real the situation is real, its as close as the real dilemma as it gets.

Dont make the mistake thinking its like poker, its not a voluntary game of wits where the winner takes the money, this is a moral dilema and so many of you are failing as human beings i am honestly dissapointed of some of you.

agree with Baal

steal the money then donate it to charity for the lulz.

On April 24 2012 22:02 Stroggoz wrote: steal the money then donate it to charity for the lulz.

By your own reasoning you should first educate every fish you play against then before you take his money.