wat would you rather have?

1) you are staked 50k to play legendary fish 'scout' http://www.pokertableratings.com/party-player-search/scout315 You get to play him for 4 tables of 5/10 hu for 4 hours. You get to keep the profits you make and give the rest back. you get to review his hh's before playing because ptr gave them to you.

2) 100 hours of personal coaching from up to 20 different poker players in the world. Also, these poker players have the ability to express logic as clearly as phil galfond. So if you got coaching from jungleman his autism magically disappears, and if you got coaching from isildur he can speak perfect english



Poll: you wanna play scout or get coacing from the best
(Vote): scout
(Vote): coaching

coaching

Coaching is way overrated. Definitely scout.

Poll: Which would you not read less?
(Vote): Thread started by Tutz
(Vote): Thread started by Stroggoz

ROFL

right now i'd pick scout, but if i was playing professionally and planned to do so for the foreseeable future i'd snap-take the coaching.

100 hours seems like a lot though, i think there's a decent chance the first 15 hours would be more valuable than the last 85.

What's scout's level ? I guess it's quite difficult to assess, but would he beat low stakes ?
Keep it mind that he once won a MTT.

Coaching. Not even slightly close.

expectation of that scout prop is maybe around 10k and the coaching is clearly worth much much much more. I'd take the coaching over 20 hours with scout nevermind 4

edit: tho that's for me personally obv

Pretty easy answer considering Im down vs scout lifetime

Can anyone tell us who "scout" is for those of who don't know?

On April 02 2012 08:49 TopGear wrote: Can anyone tell us who "scout" is for those of who don't know?

updated op with a ptr link.

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on same page as ket. this is personalized coaching. you basically redeem 2-4 hours a week over the course of 6-12 months and you improve a shitload. you can also use this coaching to learn new games. teach a man to fish etc

4 hours vs scout or 100 hours of coaching? hmmmm doesn't seem fair lol. maybe if it was playing scout for 4 hours a day for a few weeks or something this would be closer.

I think its closer than people realize. For example if you assume the scout prop is worth 10k, and 100 hours of coaching is worth more, its like saying you would pay at least $100 an hour for elite coaching. So w/ 20 hours against scout, you're saying you would pay $500 an hour for coaching, and at "4 hours a day for a few weeks" you would be paying $1500 an hour for coaching.

A lot depends on bankroll, skill level, and ambitions as a poker player, but I feel like $500 an hour really has to be the upper limit. I would be surprised if there aren't a few players in the top 20 who offer that already.

Easy coaching and it's not even close. Gimme 4 hours vs scout every day for a year at 25/50 and it becomes close. Taking into consideration that he will probably get better while playing and develop reads on you as well, I don't think he is exactly a retarded guy, in fact most likely smart.

On April 02 2012 12:57 NMcNasty wrote: I think its closer than people realize. For example if you assume the scout prop is worth 10k, and 100 hours of coaching is worth more, its like saying you would pay at least $100 an hour for elite coaching. So w/ 20 hours against scout, you're saying you would pay $500 an hour for coaching, and at "4 hours a day for a few weeks" you would be paying $1500 an hour for coaching. A lot depends on bankroll, skill level, and ambitions as a poker player, but I feel like $500 an hour really has to be the upper limit. I would be surprised if there aren't a few players in the top 20 who offer that already.

Depends, OP said they would all teach at least at good as galfond, I wouldn't take up most winning players as coaches just because most have no idea how to teach, but if they can all teach their thoughts well 100 hours coaching with say Phil Ivey just becomes invaluable, not even taking into account that you would probably become really really good, earn his respect and might just get staked for life anyway. That vs 4 hours vs scout at 5/10? lol

And most people that are crushing simply don't coach strangers.

Dunno if you can coach soulreading. I think a lot of poker-styles are at the top are due to natural selection as much as the players ability to implement them via a logical thought process.

stakes are too low, for 50k, should be playing him HU at 25 50
if that was the case i'd take the scout match

otherwise the coaching is more +EV

edit i just reread what OP wrote about coaching

100 hours from phil ivey / tom dwan would be holy shit

yeah i think the coaching is worth around 250k at least. however almost no one would be able to make 250k$ out of it. and scout match worth $10kish i guess. if i was to rewrite the poll i would have the limit you play scout at dependent on what limit you play normally or something.

None wants coaching from Isildur1

funny post... id take scout at 25/50 for 4 hours over the coaching but if i was donk then otherwise.

On April 02 2012 16:20 kingpowa wrote: None wants coaching from Isildur1

There's a lot of entertainment value though.

I don't understand how this is even close unless you have a solid career already and will never play poker seriously again.

coaching option seems soo much better

yeah this hypothetical is way too lopsided to be even considered

_100_ hours of coaching vs 4 hours of play? lol...

teach a man to fish and change ur name to scout?

hokay

lol Scout isnt even that bad anymore, he can probably beat like 100nl now if he wanted

scout would prob beat alot of mciro stake noobs hu

Anyone here ever pay 10k or more for coaching?

Question isn't close to fair.

Basically you're asking if you would prefer $10,000-$30,000 in cash from scout or $200,000+ in coaching equity.

ill take Scout and the $10k-30k because everyone else is taking coaching and the games will be unbeatable by the end of all that personal coaching

then ill invest my winnings in mega millions tickets.

4 hours with tutz girlfriend.

On April 03 2012 00:10 wobbly_au wrote: scout would prob beat alot of mciro stake noobs hu

i miss the 2010 Scout

rofl I pick coaching, easy. It was a no brainer IMO. Also, WP Byrnesam

On April 03 2012 23:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: 4 hours with tutz girlfriend.

Could this be any more random?

but scout you can flip all day long its worth way more 10k. I dont think I would get as much out of the coaching as most but ya I would still take it...

scout isnt half as fishy as he used to be. Id take the coaching

On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's more stupid than the other one. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker.

+1

I'd play Scout, nit it up and let him butt rape me for 100bb/hour taking my time to play my hands and pocket the 46k left. Then quit poker. Problem solved.

On April 04 2012 04:02 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2012 23:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: 4 hours with tutz girlfriend. Could this be any more random?

Well I really wanted to say yomers mom, but he isn't ITT so next best was your GF.

On April 04 2012 11:13 Achoo wrote: I'd play Scout, nit it up and let him butt rape me for 100bb/hour taking my time to play my hands and pocket the 46k left. Then quit poker. Problem solved.

Hopefully you buy reading lessons afterwards

coaching.
only from phil ivey himself

that coaching option looks mad sick

I would kill for some coaching with hellmuth!

On April 04 2012 16:54 hording wrote: I would kill for some coaching with hellmuth!

i would kill hellmuth for some coaching

On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker.

So you think every single person in the world would benefit more from coaching in poker than what is essentially free money?

But hey, at least I know from reading your first line that you're not serious in writing something so silly or else you'd be making yourself cringe; which would make no sense quite frankly.

On April 05 2012 01:36 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker. So you think every single person in the world would benefit more from coaching in poker than what is essentially free money? But hey, at least I know from reading your first line that you're not serious in writing something so silly or else you'd be making yourself cringe; which would make no sense quite frankly.

agree with raszi
if you are good enough to think that you'll walk over scout hu then the 100 hours has to be way more valuable =

On April 05 2012 01:36 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker. So you think every single person in the world would benefit more from coaching in poker than what is essentially free money? But hey, at least I know from reading your first line that you're not serious in writing something so silly or else you'd be making yourself cringe; which would make no sense quite frankly.

It's free money?

huh...


Everyone not taking coaching is either an idiot or not thinking this through...unless one is already accomplished at poker and never plans on playing it again...ever

On April 05 2012 03:29 Hjorturkall wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2012 01:36 taco wrote:   On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker. So you think every single person in the world would benefit more from coaching in poker than what is essentially free money? But hey, at least I know from reading your first line that you're not serious in writing something so silly or else you'd be making yourself cringe; which would make no sense quite frankly. It's free money? huh... Everyone not taking coaching is either an idiot or not thinking this through...unless one is already accomplished at poker and never plans on playing it again...ever

What if you already played poker and realized you are not that good and since then you have a good carreer and just play a bit of poker aside but just for fun ?
Why would you take those 100 hours from which you would obvisouly benefit but not that much ?

I chose playing scout, because I never played those stakes, I don't want to get "very far" at this game. I don't know his level, but even if he is a bit better than I am, I still have a good chance. For the thrill of those stakes.

Obvisouly for the majority of lpers, this is a "no brainer", especially if you play midstakes+ but not for everyone.

On April 03 2012 23:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: 4 hours with tutz girlfriend.

in my time people got demodded and banned for insulting sexually others girlfriends

i've never played with scout, but based on the replies from those who have it seems like some (including myself) were confused about the actual level of his play.

for example, i remember watching him play one time when i was thinking about taking a (very under-rolled) shot at a 5/10 full ring table where he open-limped Q9o, someone iso-raised, the button 3-bet the iso, scout flatted the 3-bet oop and open-shoved some flop where he hit a pair (i forget the exact flop, maybe J95r or something). button called with KK. i remember other hands that were similarly bad but that one stuck out for some reason. i don't remember how long ago it was, but at least 1year+.

obviously based on the comments from people who've played him, scout has improved a lot from those days. or maybe i just happened to watch him on an unusually fishy day, or he was just feeling bored because it was 5/10 or whatever.

for someone like me, i mean who knows what i'll feel like in the future, but i'd be surprised if i play more than 20k hands of poker from now til the end of 2012 and i don't really expect to get back into it. if scout is actually capable of beating, or even being only a slight loser at 100nl these days i would still take the coaching just because it would be cool to learn from the best of the best, even though it's questionable whether the EV of what i learn would get a chance to materialize. but if he was routinely making plays such as in the hand i mentioned above, i think just it becomes a no-brainer money-grab sort of spot for someone in my position.

i guess the only caveat to that is that if i got 100 hours of coaching from one of those guys i'd probably have to reconsider the amount of poker i planned to play :o

On April 05 2012 04:00 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2012 23:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: 4 hours with tutz girlfriend. in my time people got demodded and banned for insulting sexually others girlfriends

That's because your pimp hand is WEAK.

On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's more stupid than the other one. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker.

unless your a micro /recreational player with $1000 or less bankroll who may never realize the EV of the coaching

On April 05 2012 12:47 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 09:08 RaSZi wrote: Jesus christ, I cringe any time someone make a serious reply in this thread. It's more stupid than the other one. It's not close, it's not a dilemma. You take coaching. And if you care more about 4 hours of hu with a fish on stakes as low as 5-10, I don't think you will get very far in poker. unless your a micro /recreational player with $1000 or less bankroll who may never realize the EV of the coaching

yes, but i doubt a micro player would have a huge edge over scout in hu, cause if he did, he could just bumhunt heads up nlhe and get out of micros.

You guys are trolling wrong. If you're trying to look badass u go:

"LOL, a free 50-80k in 4 hours time or waste 100 hours of my life w/ the so-called top 20? How is this even a question?"

could always take the 80k and buy 100000 hours of coaching

or you could run like shit and lose to scout lol

On April 02 2012 12:57 NMcNasty wrote: I think its closer than people realize. For example if you assume the scout prop is worth 10k, and 100 hours of coaching is worth more, its like saying you would pay at least $100 an hour for elite coaching. So w/ 20 hours against scout, you're saying you would pay $500 an hour for coaching, and at "4 hours a day for a few weeks" you would be paying $1500 an hour for coaching. A lot depends on bankroll, skill level, and ambitions as a poker player, but I feel like $500 an hour really has to be the upper limit. I would be surprised if there aren't a few players in the top 20 who offer that already.

are you assuming you would never play poker again after the coaching?

On April 06 2012 09:06 tirceol wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2012 12:57 NMcNasty wrote: I think its closer than people realize. For example if you assume the scout prop is worth 10k, and 100 hours of coaching is worth more, its like saying you would pay at least $100 an hour for elite coaching. So w/ 20 hours against scout, you're saying you would pay $500 an hour for coaching, and at "4 hours a day for a few weeks" you would be paying $1500 an hour for coaching. A lot depends on bankroll, skill level, and ambitions as a poker player, but I feel like $500 an hour really has to be the upper limit. I would be surprised if there aren't a few players in the top 20 who offer that already. are you assuming you would never play poker again after the coaching?

Yes, that's what I was assuming. You got me.

On April 06 2012 12:01 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2012 09:06 tirceol wrote:   On April 02 2012 12:57 NMcNasty wrote: I think its closer than people realize. For example if you assume the scout prop is worth 10k, and 100 hours of coaching is worth more, its like saying you would pay at least $100 an hour for elite coaching. So w/ 20 hours against scout, you're saying you would pay $500 an hour for coaching, and at "4 hours a day for a few weeks" you would be paying $1500 an hour for coaching. A lot depends on bankroll, skill level, and ambitions as a poker player, but I feel like $500 an hour really has to be the upper limit. I would be surprised if there aren't a few players in the top 20 who offer that already. are you assuming you would never play poker again after the coaching? Yes, that's what I was assuming. You got me.

just saying... i appreciate the mathematical approach you're taking but this is like an initial value problem. where the scout prop falls to 0 (gain, at least) after those 4 hours or whatever it was. meanwhile i'm pretty sure most people here could benefit greatly from coaching by top players and make a shit ton of money for the rest of their life.

I d stream my coaching sessions for 100$/person and get free coaching and free moneys = everybody profits

On April 05 2012 09:35 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2012 04:00 Baalim wrote:   On April 03 2012 23:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: 4 hours with tutz girlfriend. in my time people got demodded and banned for insulting sexually others girlfriends That's because your pimp hand is WEAK.

My GF disses were legendary, one of the few times in my life where ive felt guilty about insulting somebody

On April 04 2012 14:14 n0rthf4ce wrote: coaching. only from phil ivey himself

On April 04 2012 14:14 n0rthf4ce wrote: coaching. only from phil ivey himself

And you lol

Stupid iPhone

obv the coaching.