PuertoRican   United States. Feb 29 2012 01:43. Posts 13044
Date: Saturday, March 3rd
Preliminary Card (Showtime Extreme): 19:00 LP.net
Main Card Time (Showtime): 21:00 LP.net
Live Streams: Live on Showtime - http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)
- The event was expected to host the finals of Strikeforce's Heavyweight Grand Prix with Josh Barnett taking on Daniel Cormier, but the bout did not materialize due to Cormier's lingering hand injury.
- Gegard Mousasi was expected to face Mike Kyle at this event, but Kyle withdrew due to injury.
- Derek Brunson was scheduled to face Ronaldo Souza on this card. However, the Ohio State Athletic Commission denied his fight license based on an eye exam he had submitted. Bristol Marunde has signed as his replacement.
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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 29 2012 02:27. Posts 13044
Rousey > Tate (via motorboat)
Thomson > Noons (I love them both... )
Daley > Misaki (Never seen Misaki fight)
Jacare > Marunde (Marunde is a late replacement)
Sayers > Smith (I'm sick of thinking Smith is average, kid is below average)
Kaufman > Davis (KO, followed by motorboat)
Fodor > Healy (Should be a good match, both fighters are decent fighters. Healy is an oversized Lightweight, so hopefully Fodor is prepared)
Heun > Couture
Bowling > Saling (I'm surprised Bowling is so low on the card)
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whamm!   Albania. Feb 29 2012 02:49. Posts 11625
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RaiNKhAN   United States. Feb 29 2012 03:10. Posts 4080
I think Noons is pretty overrated. Just lost decisively to Masvidal, and Thomson should be a level above that. He's also really small and tiny.
Daley is just kinda because Misaki isn't taking things that serious since Pride died. He's getting old and just fought Akira Shoji haha. Misaki is mostly standup and Daley should have the edge there. One of the issues is Daley might punch himself out of it since Misaki is incredibly durable.
Cormier is a bit of an educated guess. He keeps improving so rapidly while Barnett doesn't. Barnett shouldn't be able to take him down and it'll be a close fight on the feet.
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PplusAD   Germany. Feb 29 2012 11:29. Posts 7180
On February 29 2012 07:58 Nazgul wrote:
-150 $225 Thomson
-300 $450 Daley
+120 $100 Cormier
I think Noons is pretty overrated. Just lost decisively to Masvidal, and Thomson should be a level above that. He's also really small and tiny.
Daley is just kinda because Misaki isn't taking things that serious since Pride died. He's getting old and just fought Akira Shoji haha. Misaki is mostly standup and Daley should have the edge there. One of the issues is Daley might punch himself out of it since Misaki is incredibly durable.
Cormier is a bit of an educated guess. He keeps improving so rapidly while Barnett doesn't. Barnett shouldn't be able to take him down and it'll be a close fight on the feet.
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Thought Cromier vs Barnett is off ?
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Feb 29 2012 11:49. Posts 7080
Is it? Line is still up I bet on it today.
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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Feb 29 2012 11:58. Posts 8623
It's on but at a later date I think.
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Raidern   Brasil. Feb 29 2012 12:15. Posts 4243
How many fights have you watched from Cormier, Naz? I only watched the fight against Pezao. These odds are a surprise to me.
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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 29 2012 21:50. Posts 13044
On February 29 2012 07:58 Nazgul wrote:
-150 $225 Thomson
-300 $450 Daley
+120 $100 Cormier
I think Noons is pretty overrated. Just lost decisively to Masvidal, and Thomson should be a level above that. He's also really small and tiny.
Daley is just kinda because Misaki isn't taking things that serious since Pride died. He's getting old and just fought Akira Shoji haha. Misaki is mostly standup and Daley should have the edge there. One of the issues is Daley might punch himself out of it since Misaki is incredibly durable.
Cormier is a bit of an educated guess. He keeps improving so rapidly while Barnett doesn't. Barnett shouldn't be able to take him down and it'll be a close fight on the feet.
- Noons looked better in his last fight against Billy Evangelista, but Thomson is just a more well rounded fighter what has been plagued with injuries in the peak of his career.
- Daley looked better in his last Strikeforce fight, even though he got wrestle fucked. It took awhile for him to get taken down since Daley has been working hard on TDD.
- Cormier vs. Barnett is not on this card. Cormier isn't sure when he can return yet, due to his injured hand.
MMA websites think he will return at the next Strikeforce card, which is on May 19th at Strikeforce 40.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Feb 29 2012 22:17. Posts 7499
On February 29 2012 01:49 whamm! wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL WTF
That might be the funniest gif I've ever seen.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 01 2012 00:13. Posts 13044
Ronda Rousey is a -350 favorite against champion Miesha Tate (+250).
Rousey is bigger, stronger, and has a lot of experience in Judo matches vs. some of the best guys out there, and has been working a lot on her BJJ (as seen in her training with Nick Diaz).
Tate is smaller, not as strong, and has a lot more MMA experience than Rousey, but Tate left team Alpha Male over 1 month ago and is training at some random gym in Southern California with some former muay thai champion, no idea where she's training her ground game at, which is most important in this match.
It's hard to say who has the better striking since Tate's striking isn't great, and Rousey only has 4 MMA fights where she ended them all in under 2.5 minutes in total by arm bar.
I would think Rousey could eat a couple shots before getting into the clinch and taking Tate down to the floor.
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 01 2012 05:35. Posts 7292
On February 29 2012 01:49 whamm! wrote:
I want to use this in a animated .gif hold'em hand to describe dick waving. G SUS it's perfect
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 02 2012 21:03. Posts 13044
Main Card (Showtime)
Champ Miesha Tate (134.5) vs. Ronda Rousey (134.5)
K.J. Noons (156) vs. Josh Thomson (155)
Paul Daley (171) vs. Kazuo Misaki (169.5)
Lumumba Sayers (185) vs. Scott Smith (186)
Bristol Marunde (184) vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (184.5)
Preliminary Card (Showtime Extreme)
Alexis Davis (135.5) vs. Sarah Kaufman (135.5)
Roger Bowling (170) vs. Brandon Saling (170.5)
Caros Fodor (155.5) vs. Pat Healy (155)
Ryan Couture (154.5) vs. Conor Heun (155)
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2c0ntent   Egypt. Mar 02 2012 23:10. Posts 1387
ronda trying to make out with tate
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PplusAD   Germany. Mar 02 2012 23:27. Posts 7180
Only fight i ever hope for some boring ground lay and pray with occasionall breast rubbing
God i never noticed that Miesha Tates body when cutting weight is absolutely perfect !
Holy cow is her body hot in that video
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 03 2012 13:10. Posts 13044
PuertoRican   United States. Mar 03 2012 16:40. Posts 13044
On March 03 2012 13:34 EvilSky wrote:
Ronda is built like a man, Id much rather see her fight cyborg :O
Manly-frame maybe, but built like a man makes her sounds like a freak like Cyborg.
With Rousey, she has a very strong core and upper body, and her arms semi-thick with muscle. When it's fight time, her body looks damn good cuz she doesn't have all that extra water weight in her. Guys who take pictures for muscle magazines cut water weight sometimes for their pictures so their skin looks tighter which makes their muscle definition stand out more.
Tate has a good body when she's cutting weight and not cutting weight, but her frame is more girly than Rousey, and she's not as strong and her core strength isn't the same, so I don't see Tate getting Rousey down to the floor unless she somehow trips a top judo fighter who's worked on trips/throws most of her life.
I just tuned in to catch the end of r2 for the daley fight. Is it me or does daley look huge?
holy fuck thats a nasty cut
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NotSorry   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:12. Posts 2603
Daley just running hoping Misaki bleeds out before kicking his ass
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LikeASet   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:14. Posts 2113
yes, japanese guys one time. Boo piece of sh.. Daley
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NotSorry   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:16. Posts 2603
I had rd1 and rd3 for Misaki, rd2 could of went either way, good decision
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:18. Posts 13044
On March 03 2012 22:09 dazed wrote:
I just tuned in to catch the end of r2 for the daley fight. Is it me or does daley look huge?
holy fuck thats a nasty cut
Daley a little smaller than usual, which is cuz he made weight this time. He misses weight off and on in every fight league.
Also, he's short for the Welterweight division (5'9), compared to people like Nick Diaz (6'0), Carlos Condit (6'2). GSP is also short (5'10).
He fought scared though, so maybe he needs to miss weight again so he can get his fire back.
I'm glad they didn't screw Misaki, that happens a lot when it comes to a decision in USA, but then again in Japan they always screw over non-Japanese fighters and give out a lot of Draws to Japanese vs. Japanese fighters.
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LikeASet   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:38. Posts 2113
jeebus christ this thompson guy, fkn worst than watching fitch, plz kj knock him the f out
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Etherone   Canada. Mar 03 2012 23:44. Posts 753
On March 03 2012 22:38 LikeASet wrote:
jeebus christ this thompson guy, fkn worst than watching fitch, plz kj knock him the f out
nope
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:46. Posts 13044
Josh Thompson looked like shit tonight, wrestle fucking his way in all 3 rounds to a victory and threw less than 20 shots in total on the ground.
Thompson looked better 2 years ago b4 he got hurt.
Fight of the night so far is still Kaufman vs. Davis.
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NotSorry   United States. Mar 03 2012 23:53. Posts 2603
Yea Kaufman vs Davis was a great example of women mma
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f1shcake   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:03. Posts 287
DAMNNNN do they really have to show a slow motion version of the final arm bar
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dUUd_   Estonia. Mar 04 2012 00:14. Posts 1840
On March 03 2012 23:11 f1shcake wrote:
Kaufman looks like she doesnt want her arm broken
who would
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LikeASet   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:15. Posts 2113
kinda breaks my heart, poor sexy Miesha, get well soon
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LikeASet   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:17. Posts 2113
LOL WOMEN, can't let shit go
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f1shcake   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:19. Posts 287
On March 03 2012 23:17 LikeASet wrote:
LOL WOMEN, can't let shit go
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Raidern   Brasil. Mar 04 2012 00:19. Posts 4243
haha very entertaining main event
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Daut   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:20. Posts 8955
what a fucking badass
"i dont feel that bad about it"
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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f1shcake   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:21. Posts 287
too bad cyborg is a rioder. Ronda vs cyborg would have been really interesting.
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 00:21. Posts 13044
Tate was partially right in her pre-fight video when she said wrestlers have the edge over judo fighters.
Top judo fighters have super strong cores and almost never get taken down in MMA, there's just so top judo fighters in MMA right now so it's hard to compare.
Top judo fighters in MMA have been Yoshihiro Akiyama, Ronda Rousey, Karo Parisian, Manny Gamburyian.
Ronda has Judo Gene LaBell in her corner for all her fights~
On March 03 2012 23:21 PuertoRican wrote:
Top judo > top wrestling.
Are you sure about that? Top Judo may be better than mediocre wrestling.
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 01:14. Posts 13044
^ I have no proof, just giving my opinion. I think it's one of those skills that it all depends on who is the person using it.
How I look at it is, what is wrestling exactly? Controlling your opponent and getting them to the ground to pin them.
If you aren't able to get someone to the ground, you're forced to stand and fight.
Judo fighters are usually stand up fighters, some have better submission game than others or just choose to use it more than others while some of them like to stand and bang.
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whamm!   Albania. Mar 04 2012 01:29. Posts 11625
wrestling is gay, seriously.
they're super strong, sick worth ethic blah blah. they're good counters to BJJ guys who have shitty stand up exclusively, but worth very little against equally strong everything else. ground and pound left this sport 4 years ago.
The problem I have with judo throws/trips is that theres a lot of variance. In theory the judo user should have a dominate position like sidecontrols but the way the opponent lands can get wild with a lot of scambling. Like most recently I remember Dong kim did a judo throw and he wound up on the bottom.
I see wrestling as a safer way to get your opponent down to the ground. You're always going to be in top position and in the opponents full guard but just the way they land makes sweeps very hard
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 01:40. Posts 13044
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whamm!   Albania. Mar 04 2012 01:47. Posts 11625
Rousey needs to chill with the way she executes armbars. I mean give the other fighter some time to tap out and shit.
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 01:58. Posts 13044
^ She does, which is what makes it even harder to watch at times. This is the 2nd arm she's damaged in a row.
The reason why she doesn't let go until the referee stops it, (which is what you're supposed to do), is because in her first Strikeforce match against Sarah D'Alelio, she did a flying armbar and she felt D'Alelio's arm pop and heard her scream, Rousey then said to the ref that she tapped and the fight was stopped. D'Alelio said she was fine after the fight was over and acted like it was a bad call, but if you're in a submission and you speak out and say something, you lose the fight, it's called a verbal submission. D'Alelio did scream something out while in the submission. (The referee doesn't know if you're just saying "ouch" or "help", or cant get your words out at all.)
Her fight vs. Julia Budd was an accident, Budd had tapped, but the way the fighters were angled didn't let the referee see the tap so either one of the fighters flipped over and Ronda still had the armbar in tight and then she bent it even further back and Budd tapped again. The referee, Kim Winslow, is notorious for bad reffing though.
Miesha Tate didn't want to tap as you could see with the first armbar, then with the second armbar she didn't want to tap until it was already too late. I was expecting the referee to stop it, but he was apparently too newbie to notice the arm going the other way, ala Mir vs. Big Nog #2.
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rofl...
I went to check Rousey's twitter, and noticed she posted 14 hours ago "okay, this is my last tweet before the fight, if you wanna buy "rowdy wear" its now on sale here: http://www.rondamma.com/store/ "
She was already selling t-shirts as her being the champion.
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whamm!   Albania. Mar 04 2012 02:16. Posts 11625
I think this is the 3rd time she's broken an arm in her career of less than 7 fights? pretty suspect that it's all her opponents fault of not tapping out.
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[cF]TridenT   United States. Mar 04 2012 03:18. Posts 154
Rousey will you marry me...
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Mar 04 2012 03:20. Posts 7080
On March 04 2012 00:14 PuertoRican wrote:
^ I have no proof, just giving my opinion. I think it's one of those skills that it all depends on who is the person using it.
How I look at it is, what is wrestling exactly? Controlling your opponent and getting them to the ground to pin them.
If you aren't able to get someone to the ground, you're forced to stand and fight.
Judo fighters are usually stand up fighters, some have better submission game than others or just choose to use it more than others while some of them like to stand and bang.
I'm actually on the exact opposite side of the argument. I think that guys like GSP/Koscheck do take Akiyama down if they ever fought, but regardless GSP and Koscheck are not even wrestlers of the caliber that Akiyama was a judo practitioner at.
Karelin in MMA gogo :D
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 03:22. Posts 13044
She's 5-0 in her pro career. She messed up the arms of 2 girls (her last 2 fights), for the reason I stated a few posts above.
Like I said, she let go of the armbar in her fight with Sarah D'Alelio, and there was a bunch of controversy afterward. So she said she wouldn't let go of the arm again until the referee stops it, instead of when she feels it pop.
Miesha had the chance to tap, she's the one who let her arm get as bad as it did, but the referee is also partly to blame cuz he could have stopped it when he saw it bending like that, Ronda Rousey was at no point to blame in that fight.
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Mar 04 2012 03:25. Posts 7080
It seemed fine to me too, but her post fight comment was pretty retarded after you just injure someone. She doesn't need to feel bad or anything but you can at least say it sucks. If she has the image of fucking people up then it's because of comments like that.
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PplusAD   Germany. Mar 04 2012 07:21. Posts 7180
On March 03 2012 23:21 f1shcake wrote:
too bad cyborg is a rioder. Ronda vs cyborg would have been really interesting.
It would have been a one sided humiliation
If Cyborg was in an Armbar of Rousey she would just pick her up rampage style and slam her.
But most likley she would KO rousey before it even gets to the ground.
Rousey has no stand up skills at all and Cyborg could fight at 145 mans muay thai no problem at all
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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Jhyun88   United States. Mar 04 2012 08:39. Posts 1383
God forbids she starts going for knee-bars. She'll start retiring people.
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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Mar 04 2012 09:23. Posts 8623
I think she's highly entertaining and people needs to start tapping in time. If Tate had any regard for her health she'd tap to that long before. That shit was deep.
Remember how everyone gave GSP shit for not having killer instincts and not putting his knee's tighter vs Hardy?
When someone gets out of it because they just flat out refuse to tap in time they're celebrated as total bad asses, guess what, if you try to be a bad ass against someone who won't have non of it you'll break shit.
I don't really care what you guys think or what Rousey's past history is:
That was so completely and entirely Tate's fault for not tapping.
If you want to try to bridge in the opposite direction and slip out when you have such long arms
and someone has the added benefit of you being stuck in gloves; feel free.
Just know that you are going to break your arm. And it did in this case.
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PplusAD   Germany. Mar 04 2012 10:02. Posts 7180
How is it even a question ?
Ofc it was 100% Tates fault.
Tapp or Snap
Its as easy as it gets
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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Daut   United States. Mar 04 2012 10:58. Posts 8955
if cyborg and rousey fought next month, im setting the line cyborg -175
cyborg is just so much bigger and stronger that i think she can use her strength to keep it standinga decent amount. but fuck ronda is so goddamn good. terrence chan said last night that he thinks ronda is further ahead of her division than jon jones is
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2c0ntent   Egypt. Mar 04 2012 11:04. Posts 1387
do females have like a lower arm strength to body weight ratio, implying a natural weakness towards arm bars? just curious... I know people in men's have won with the same submission like 7 times in a row (guillotine) so many its just the fighter.. but arm bars aren't as common in men's from what I see.
has there been any discussion on this? I almost feel like I brought it up last thread but 2 lazy 2 srch
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PplusAD   Germany. Mar 04 2012 11:17. Posts 7180
On March 04 2012 09:58 Daut wrote:
if cyborg and rousey fought next month, im setting the line cyborg -175
cyborg is just so much bigger and stronger that i think she can use her strength to keep it standinga decent amount. but fuck ronda is so goddamn good. terrence chan said last night that he thinks ronda is further ahead of her division than jon jones is
i am setting it -350 cyborg
Have u seen how many punches she did eat from Tate ?
She would have been knocked out cold by Cyborg.
Ronda has some nice judo trows and some very good smooth transitions on the ground + a decent armbar
Thats about it.
She has absolutely no standup ...
She shines so bright because female MMA fighters basically do suck a ton. (Kinda like Royce Gracie did shine in early UFC because most guys just sucked compared to todays standard)
Well cyborg however doesnt suck.
She is very good in all aspects
all that flashy ground movement the casual fan is so excited about just did happen because Tate lacks the ability to control on the ground.
Cyborg even on the ground would lay heavy like a rock on her and Rousy wouldnt be ably to do anything near to what she did with Tate
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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Daut   United States. Mar 04 2012 13:21. Posts 8955
On March 04 2012 10:04 2c0ntent wrote:
do females have like a lower arm strength to body weight ratio, implying a natural weakness towards arm bars? just curious... I know people in men's have won with the same submission like 7 times in a row (guillotine) so many its just the fighter.. but arm bars aren't as common in men's from what I see.
has there been any discussion on this? I almost feel like I brought it up last thread but 2 lazy 2 srch
ive always thought armbars were a terrible submission. easy to escape from and give up position. rousey is very good at them, but her opponents are not great at defending either
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On March 04 2012 10:04 2c0ntent wrote:
do females have like a lower arm strength to body weight ratio, implying a natural weakness towards arm bars? just curious... I know people in men's have won with the same submission like 7 times in a row (guillotine) so many its just the fighter.. but arm bars aren't as common in men's from what I see.
has there been any discussion on this? I almost feel like I brought it up last thread but 2 lazy 2 srch
ive always thought armbars were a terrible submission. easy to escape from and give up position. rousey is very good at them, but her opponents are not great at defending either
Terrible submission? Most certainly not.
Difficult to master and incorporate into no-gi MMA effectively? Extremely.
From the guard they are a great submission but the reason you'll see much fewer
mounted armbars is that most fighters won't look for it at all because they don't have the skill
to make it +EV.
When you have world class BJJ black belts competing in MMA you do see quite a lot of armbars.
This is because the fighters will be world class BJJ black belts. They pull off mounted armbars in competitions all the time.
No-gi & Gi Pan Am champion Gunnar Nelson armbars Alexander Butenko 1st rd instead of
punching him like an idiot
And regarding females being more susceptible to being armbared: I think you're crazy .
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 17:10. Posts 13044
Armbars work, and is not a terrible submission.
Giva "The Arm Collector" Santana made his career with armbars, and is now going to be fighting his second match in Bellator pretty soon. (Bellator season 6 is gonna have a ton of good matches)
Some people don't like doing armbars cuz they end up in bottom position if their opponent escapes the armbar. Ronda Rousey showed how she does her armbars in a segment on Inside MMA, she grabs the arm while still sitting up and pulls back with her whole body, which sounds like common sense but I've seen plenty of failed armbar attempts where people aren't doing it right, Joe Rogan has mentioned it a couple times while in a live cast of UFC "he needs to put his legs together, or, he needs to lift his hips more and lean back further".
Once people in the UFC stop fearing the wrestlers getting top position on a failed armbar, will be the day we see more armbars work and possible some more snapped arms by people who wont tap or by people who don't know their own strength like Paul Harris.
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Also, the talk about Cyborg vs. Rousey isn't worth talking about atm, for a few reasons:
1. Cyborg is suspended for 1 year at least from Strikeforce, they haven't said whether she will be able to come back or not, just that she loses her belt and she has to stay away for 1 year.
2. They didn't say what they are doing with the 145 pound women's division, there was rumors of it merging with the 135 pound division but no concrete word yet. Either way, there was not enough women for Cyborg to fight at 145, which is why she didn't defend her belt for over a year.
3. Cyborg fights at 145 and her body is super lean when she fights, so she'd have to drop 10 pounds of pure muscle to make 135.
4. Rousey's stand up is probably the worst I've seen in the women's division at Strikeforce. It got better since her last fight, but it still is really bad and Cyborg would TKO her b4 they got to the ground.
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rofl at her ground and pound, she did the same shit in her sparring video. I think she forgot this was a real fight and not sparring.
Notice how she puts all her body into pulling Tate's arm, I seen someone within a month ago in UFC be in that position and try to pull the other 1 arm with both of his arms instead of using his whole body, and the guy obviously didn't get the arm bar cuz he was only using arm strength instead of full body strength.
On March 04 2012 16:10 PuertoRican wrote:
rofl at her ground and pound
HAHAHAHA, that was just the most hilarious shit I've ever seen in high level MMA.
That beats Silva's last minute triangle by far.
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Daut   United States. Mar 04 2012 19:23. Posts 8955
armbars are a low percentage sub. there's a reason that there was a streak of like ~25 straight UFC events where not one armbar was hit. and when they are its usually on fight night cards with much lower level guys fighting.
unless its from guard like you said it often gives up position because getting out of it, especially when sweaty is not too hard. there are 2 basic escapes
1. get your elbow under their hips, from there its over
2. if you cant get the elbow out, then you have to go the other way
even with a gi armbars are relatively easy to escape. as long as you dont flail your arms around like a retard and keep them close to your body when your guard is passed you should not be in danger of being armbarred. and from guard, shucking off an armbar is pretty simple.
if you can get to s-mount armbars are amazing. or if someone sticks their arm up in the air to defend strikes grab it. but manufacturing one against someone who knows how to defend is very tough, and you may end up on the bottom of side control if you miss. fuck that
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 04 2012 20:30. Posts 13044
I'm not a BJJ guy, so I wont say much about what works and what doesn't, unless I trained I wouldn't give too much insight on it, only what I've seen and heard/read from watching videos and interviews.
As a spectator, I think it just depends on the person doing the armbars. Just like any other martial art, it depends on who the fighter is. Especially nowadays, it seems like everyone is a black belt in BJJ in the UFC.
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"Thank You".
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican   United States. Mar 05 2012 22:00. Posts 13044
The full "Strikeforce: Tate vs. Rousey" paydays included:
Pat Healy: $22,500 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
def. Carlos Fodor: $12,000
Ryan Couture: $10,000 (no win bonus)
def. Conor Heun: $8,000
Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other "locker room" or special bonuses Zuffa, LLC oftentimes pays.
In other words, the above figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.
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Although the Ohio Athletic Commission suspends all competitors for a minimum seven days, eight fighters received longer ones. In addition to Tate (left elbow), Souza (possibly broken hand), Bowling (possibly broken hand) and Heun (possibly broken hand) – who all can be cleared early by a physician to end the indefinite suspension – other suspensions went to:
Kazuo Misaki: Suspended 45 days to due a facial laceration
Alexis Davis: Suspended 30 days to due a facial laceration
Pat Healy: Suspended 30 days to due a head laceration
Brandon Saling: Suspended 30 days for precautionary reasons