oh and that Religion and OCD video is actual university class being recorded, not just any random youtube.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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zulu_nation8 United States. Jan 16 2012 12:15. Posts 1929
On January 15 2012 15:09 Zorglub wrote:
Did anyone ever think about the concept of interpretation? Words, symbols, numbers, situations, concepts, forms, metaphors etc. are all subject to your personal interpretation, they depend upon your internal knowledge and the ways your brain (or mind) associates these concepts and abstract thoughts with your own subjective knowledge and experience. In this sense, every religion may be true to a certain individual, because it all depends on their own subjective knowledge, experience and interpretation.
This is a cool topic and stuff but I am not sure if it applies when people start trying to proclaim universal truths
also I think the whole point of the scientific method is to remove this subjectivity in as universally accessible way as possible (ie the goals of being verifiable, repeatable in experimentation). The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
falsifiability is completely different from confirmation, you can disprove a scientific theory with contradicting evidence but you can never confirm a theory with supporting evidence.
I am neither religious nor ritualistic. You just lack analyzing skills so when you are presented with something new you have to quickly give it definition by putting it in a group with something that you have already defined. Preferably, when something is challenging your belief system it goes in a group with something you have defined as negative. If you learn a bit about psychology you might learn a lot about yourself and how deeply you are brainwashed since a little kid. Find a documentary on brainwashing or an interview of a brainwashinig expert, you would have difficulty watching the whole thing because you will feel deeply attacked and would shut down any access of your brain. Seriously, learn how brainwashing works, it's not just a loose term that I throw around. There is a whole science to it. The leaders of this world know that they cannot physically control the population so they do it by controlling their minds through brainwashing. You are so clueless it's funny.
i have had psy classes, i've read on diferent subjects of behaviourism, and i come from ex comunist country, so i know first hand all about being "brainwashed".
You are far away from being a critical thinker, and your analysing skills consist of watching (more like fast forwarding, i doubt you have the capability to pay attention and concentrate to more then 5 min content of a 20min video)
Go read about symptoms of different dementias, and if you actually do, you will find so many of you behaviours translate into symptoms of some kind of mental dis-balance. But obviously, new age movement says that you are an evolutionary step in humans, that ADD is skills to multitask, that schizophrenia is way to communicate with the invisible forces out there, etc.
i wish i had capability to have stronger belief's, because this society is mostly built upon "confidence", "belifs", "goals" and whole bunch of other subjective and arbitrary concepts (which is main reason why "brainwashing" is widespread in human history)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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terrybunny19240 United States. Jan 16 2012 12:26. Posts 13829
On January 15 2012 15:09 Zorglub wrote:
Did anyone ever think about the concept of interpretation? Words, symbols, numbers, situations, concepts, forms, metaphors etc. are all subject to your personal interpretation, they depend upon your internal knowledge and the ways your brain (or mind) associates these concepts and abstract thoughts with your own subjective knowledge and experience. In this sense, every religion may be true to a certain individual, because it all depends on their own subjective knowledge, experience and interpretation.
This is a cool topic and stuff but I am not sure if it applies when people start trying to proclaim universal truths
also I think the whole point of the scientific method is to remove this subjectivity in as universally accessible way as possible (ie the goals of being verifiable, repeatable in experimentation). The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
falsifiability is completely different from confirmation, you can disprove a scientific theory with contradicting evidence but you can never confirm a theory with supporting evidence.
huh, I know, I was trying to cover that with, "ought to be universal insofar as we're.. currently capable of understanding." I probably could of worded it to be, ".. insofar as its currently understood according to available evidence."
but I was thinking too much about D_smart_S coming in and pointing out that schizophrenics can see (real) things that the rest of us simply don't have access to lolol
I am neither religious nor ritualistic. You just lack analyzing skills so when you are presented with something new you have to quickly give it definition by putting it in a group with something that you have already defined. Preferably, when something is challenging your belief system it goes in a group with something you have defined as negative. If you learn a bit about psychology you might learn a lot about yourself and how deeply you are brainwashed since a little kid. Find a documentary on brainwashing or an interview of a brainwashinig expert, you would have difficulty watching the whole thing because you will feel deeply attacked and would shut down any access of your brain. Seriously, learn how brainwashing works, it's not just a loose term that I throw around. There is a whole science to it. The leaders of this world know that they cannot physically control the population so they do it by controlling their minds through brainwashing. You are so clueless it's funny.
i have had psy classes, i've read on diferent subjects of behaviourism, and i come from ex comunist country, so i know first hand all about being "brainwashed".i have had psy classes,
you have to shoot either yourself or your psychology teachers.
"i know first hand all about being brainwashed" - rofl that's so funny :D:D:D
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
I am neither religious nor ritualistic. You just lack analyzing skills so when you are presented with something new you have to quickly give it definition by putting it in a group with something that you have already defined. Preferably, when something is challenging your belief system it goes in a group with something you have defined as negative. If you learn a bit about psychology you might learn a lot about yourself and how deeply you are brainwashed since a little kid. Find a documentary on brainwashing or an interview of a brainwashinig expert, you would have difficulty watching the whole thing because you will feel deeply attacked and would shut down any access of your brain. Seriously, learn how brainwashing works, it's not just a loose term that I throw around. There is a whole science to it. The leaders of this world know that they cannot physically control the population so they do it by controlling their minds through brainwashing. You are so clueless it's funny.
i have had psy classes, i've read on diferent subjects of behaviourism, and i come from ex comunist country, so i know first hand all about being "brainwashed".i have had psy classes,
you have to shoot either yourself or your psychology teachers.
"i know first hand all about being brainwashed" - rofl that's so funny :D:D:D
Whats so funny exactly? that i'm able to admit that i was brainwashed when i was a kid? you think your analytical skills were sharp at 12 years old? lol
first hand experience about a subject kills youtube watching any day of the week.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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hoylemj United States. Jan 16 2012 18:54. Posts 840
TimDawg United States. Jan 16 2012 21:55. Posts 10197
^^video sums up a lot of what i think
these threads are always real dumb and useless to debate others with
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
On January 16 2012 20:55 TimDawg wrote:
^^video sums up a lot of what i think
these threads are always real dumb and useless to debate others with
Except these threads tend to be the only ones where there is some serious discussion about actually meaningful things. Is it really that harmful to have serious discussions once in a while? Even if it turns to drama often? Why do people feel the need to drop in and state how uninteresting it is to them? I don't have the slightest clue. They never turn into "my religion is right and yours is wrong" as far as I know.
Everyone who comes in here and posts some silly comment like yours (sorry Tim) about how "this topic is useless to debate" should at least precise what he believes is stupid to debate and why. If you want to say that debating which faith is better or worse than the other, or whether there is a God or not, or a soul, then fine, I agree, they are entirely useless. They never go anywhere. But the threads generally get into psychology and philosophy, which are interesting to most people who have an interest in ...things other than mindless entertainment, I would presume.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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zulu_nation8 United States. Jan 16 2012 22:48. Posts 1929
On January 15 2012 15:09 Zorglub wrote:
Did anyone ever think about the concept of interpretation? Words, symbols, numbers, situations, concepts, forms, metaphors etc. are all subject to your personal interpretation, they depend upon your internal knowledge and the ways your brain (or mind) associates these concepts and abstract thoughts with your own subjective knowledge and experience. In this sense, every religion may be true to a certain individual, because it all depends on their own subjective knowledge, experience and interpretation.
This is a cool topic and stuff but I am not sure if it applies when people start trying to proclaim universal truths
also I think the whole point of the scientific method is to remove this subjectivity in as universally accessible way as possible (ie the goals of being verifiable, repeatable in experimentation). The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
falsifiability is completely different from confirmation, you can disprove a scientific theory with contradicting evidence but you can never confirm a theory with supporting evidence.
huh, I know, I was trying to cover that with, "ought to be universal insofar as we're.. currently capable of understanding." I probably could of worded it to be, ".. insofar as its currently understood according to available evidence."
but I was thinking too much about D_smart_S coming in and pointing out that schizophrenics can see (real) things that the rest of us simply don't have access to lolol
I think we're agreeing here?
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On January 16 2012 10:57 Night2o1 wrote:
The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
On January 16 2012 20:36 whamm! wrote:
hey idiots. listen to this. lol
He fails within the first 30 seconds. "Being a Buddhist is ridiculous!"
Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about Buddhism would call it a ridiculous ideology and compare it with all those other religions he mentioned. Let's hear him talk about the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism and how they're ridiculous instead of a vague statement.
I hate this pop culture shit, seriously. It saddens me to think this is where most people get their philosophical information from. I have nothing against Rogan as a human being or even as a comedian, but as a thinker? I don't find the things he says very meaningful when he speaks about how to enjoy life and "free your mind" while he just seems on a rant, high on marijuana and ends with "y'know... that's dumb." I'm just left thinking: "well, y'know... that's not deep." Why do we need you to tell us that we should think for ourselves? I don't know about you guys, but if I have the choice between looking up to Buddha or fucking Joe Rogan, I'm not picking Joe Rogan.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
i'm not fan of Rogan, but what he meant there, is that attaching yourself to any type of "mainstream" , preset ideologies, is all the same. No matter how "good the road" is for Buddhism.
i don't disagree, to the point that you should use ideologies, but not blindly follow them. Wethere its Buddhism, Islamism or just general mentality were "everything is positive" even if the benifits might be EV+, or seem to be,
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
That's my point though. That is not Buddhism. You don't "follow" in Buddhism, since it is a religion that doesn't require faith: it advocates knowledge only. You don't "blindly follow" when it comes to a practice like meditation. You practice it, and if it gives you benefits, it didn't require you believing or following anything.
Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a fanatical Buddhist, but generally, Buddhists are the last people you'll have annoying you to follow their path.
If a monk can self-immolate without flinching, then he's cultivated something that Joe Rogan's "free mind" couldn't do, and in that light, he's the one who looks really, really absurd by making some stab at what is clearly a religion that can develop more exceptional people than he is and will ever be.
So here, for good measure (even tho most have seen it already) I raise your Joe Rogan, whamm:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Jas0n United States. Jan 17 2012 01:23. Posts 1866
On January 16 2012 20:36 whamm! wrote:
hey idiots. listen to this. lol
He fails within the first 30 seconds. "Being a Buddhist is ridiculous!"
Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about Buddhism would call it a ridiculous ideology and compare it with all those other religions he mentioned. Let's hear him talk about the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism and how they're ridiculous instead of a vague statement.
I hate this pop culture shit, seriously. It saddens me to think this is where most people get their philosophical information from. I have nothing against Rogan as a human being or even as a comedian, but as a thinker? I don't find the things he says very meaningful when he speaks about how to enjoy life and "free your mind" while he just seems on a rant, high on marijuana and ends with "y'know... that's dumb." I'm just left thinking: "well, y'know... that's not deep." Why do we need you to tell us that we should think for ourselves? I don't know about you guys, but if I have the choice between looking up to Buddha or fucking Joe Rogan, I'm not picking Joe Rogan.
being a buddhist is stupid, sorry but just become it has some good parts and even if most of its good, being a buddhist, which means believing in all the fucking bullshit it comes with is idiotic.
Believing in Karma is idiotic, believing in reincarnation is idiotic, there is no reason to believe such things besides wishful thinking, especially the Karma part isnt just irrational, is pathetic.
I might not look up to Joe since he has some retarded ideas, but i much rather look up to Bertrand Russel or hell even Bill Hicks way before i do to Gautama
the monk could've just waited for the internet and twitter/fb and get the same results. i see this act as no different from drinking poison because your leader tells you to do so, what a waste.
i like Joe Rogan's views since I agree with him, not because he teaches me a lot of stuff - that i need to figure out on my own.
Has anyone here heard any of the strange sounds coming from nowhere? There is an increasing number of reports of such sounds in the sky with no apparent reason for them. From Guatemala through America to Mexico and in many other countries. Nobody has any idea what those sounds are lol.
PS: obv Baal doesn't know shit about Buddhism, as usual.
Buddhism and Hinduism and some other eastern religions are a different type of religion. They are not about faith as Loco stated. You might want to learn about meditation and where it can take you, Balls. Most of what you "know" about Buddhism is misinterpretation and misunderstanding by Westerners due to their knowledge of Western religions. Meditation is the science of the body and mind. It is very deeply connected to Quantum Mechanics. It's not about some blind faith.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On January 16 2012 22:15 Loco wrote:
That's my point though. That is not Buddhism. You don't "follow" in Buddhism, since it is a religion that doesn't require faith: it advocates knowledge only. You don't "blindly follow" when it comes to a practice like meditation. You practice it, and if it gives you benefits, it didn't require you believing or following anything.
Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a fanatical Buddhist, but generally, Buddhists are the last people you'll have annoying you to follow their path.
If a monk can self-immolate without flinching, then he's cultivated something that Joe Rogan's "free mind" couldn't do, and in that light, he's the one who looks really, really absurd by making some stab at what is clearly a religion that can develop more exceptional people than he is and will ever be.
So here, for good measure (even tho most have seen it already) I raise your Joe Rogan, whamm:
And cretare christians would get eating by lions and not flinch, and muslims would fly into a building and not flinch.
Afterall Buddist believe in reincarnation so where is the value in that, same with every martyr, there is no value in throwing your life away if you believe you will be 72 virgins, in heaven or an eagle
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