On January 17 2012 02:39 D_smart_S wrote:
Has anyone here heard any of the strange sounds coming from nowhere? There is an increasing number of reports of such sounds in the sky with no apparent reason for them. From Guatemala through America to Mexico and in many other countries. Nobody has any idea what those sounds are lol.
PS: obv Baal doesn't know shit about Buddhism, as usual.
Buddhism and Hinduism and some other eastern religions are a different type of religion. They are not about faith as Loco stated. You might want to learn about meditation and where it can take you, Balls. Most of what you "know" about Buddhism is misinterpretation and misunderstanding by Westerners due to their knowledge of Western religions. Meditation is the science of the body and mind. It is very deeply connected to Quantum Mechanics. It's not about some blind faith.
stop posting garbage videos unless you first give the slightest shred of evidence about the soul you claim to exist.
How in the fuck does meditation relates to the study of sub-atomic particles you dumbfuck, you managed to make me lose my patience, you are an utter idiot not worth dicussing my time, if you want at least a reply from me, prove that the soul exist first.
nothing can be proven to you. Your firewall is impenetrable. How would you comment on my two videos from the 10th or 11th page (the man and the woman).
Let me guess: Suddenly upon awakening an incredible implanted false memory was encoded in their brains for absolutely no fucking reason giving the illusion of experience.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On January 17 2012 02:37 whamm! wrote:
the monk could've just waited for the internet and twitter/fb and get the same results. i see this act as no different from drinking poison because your leader tells you to do so, what a waste.
i like Joe Rogan's views since I agree with him, not because he teaches me a lot of stuff - that i need to figure out on my own.
yes is his message was to post pictures of his boobs to acquire e-fame then he could've
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On January 16 2012 22:15 Loco wrote:
That's my point though. That is not Buddhism. You don't "follow" in Buddhism, since it is a religion that doesn't require faith: it advocates knowledge only. You don't "blindly follow" when it comes to a practice like meditation. You practice it, and if it gives you benefits, it didn't require you believing or following anything.
Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a fanatical Buddhist, but generally, Buddhists are the last people you'll have annoying you to follow their path.
If a monk can self-immolate without flinching, then he's cultivated something that Joe Rogan's "free mind" couldn't do, and in that light, he's the one who looks really, really absurd by making some stab at what is clearly a religion that can develop more exceptional people than he is and will ever be.
So here, for good measure (even tho most have seen it already) I raise your Joe Rogan, whamm:
And cretare christians would get eating by lions and not flinch, and muslims would fly into a building and not flinch.
Afterall Buddist believe in reincarnation so where is the value in that, same with every martyr, there is no value in throwing your life away if you believe you will be 72 virgins, in heaven or an eagle
youre missing loco's point entirely, and i think you confuse flinching figuratively with actual flinching, and the conclusions you can derive from that.
On January 17 2012 04:57 D_smart_S wrote:
nothing can be proven to you. Your firewall is impenetrable. How would you comment on my two videos from the 10th or 11th page (the man and the woman).
Let me guess: Suddenly upon awakening an incredible implanted false memory was encoded in their brains for absolutely no fucking reason giving the illusion of experience.
well, all those evangelists are business ventures. I wouldn't be as trusting.
On January 13 2012 21:00 Baalim wrote:
look what yo did Dsmart your stupid posts woke up Loco from his slumber.
What you call spirituality is just bullshit same as religion why because its based on the same random assumptions based on "faith" lacking the slightest shred of evidence of logical thinking, there is no reason to believe in a thing you call "soul", there is no reason to believe that our consciosness is something beyond the simple biological process of the brain, in fact all evidence points that our conciosness doesnt trascend it in any form, damage the brain and your consciousness will be damaged, so yeah no matter how much your ego struggles to be great, we are just semi-smart animals meaningless to the cosmos.
There is a difference between "there is no evidence" and "I haven't seen and don't want to see any evidence". I have posted on numerous occasions that there is proof of the existence of the soul but you have to research several different deep topics that I am sure you will not since you are very egocentric and wouldn't want to come here stating "hey d_smart I think you are onto something". Also, the existence of the soul would most probably falsely incline to you that there is God which means that religion is not completely bullshit which means you were dead wrong which would lead to cognitive dissonance and you would be an even more hardcore atheist. This is just human psychology and your brain would try to protect its beliefs in order not to change which would cause lots of stress and thinking. Here are the topics that combined prove the existence of the soul (which has nothing to do with God): Quantum Physics, Kirlian Photography, Near Death Experience, Afterlife research, Entheogens, Out of Body experience.
To most people science is mostly what they see on TV - microchipping animals to understand their behavior, putting substance A into substance B to see what happens and developing the new iPhone. But Science is, in fact, everything which gives us understanding of the Universe which we live in through experimentation and result analyzes even if it sounds out of this world and is something that we can't see with our eyes. So if you want PROOF, please go on and spend a day researching Quantum Physics and a few of the other topics of your liking and pleaaaaaase shy away of government sites and wikipedia. Find some interviews, documentaries, challenge your belief system.
You are absolutely wrong, i dont say there cant be a soul or that i wouldnt be interested in looking at evidence, I am absolutely willing to accept new ides if there is evidence for them thats the process how science and knowledge grow.
I wouldnt jump into religion if you somehow proved the existence of a "soul", as i said i take the scientific approach, if you prove there is a soul then thats all you did, proved there is a Soul, i dont see how that would prove white bearded invisible men.
Now that we stablished that im willing to acept evidence please show it to me and dont tell me "oh go read this book and this book", show me clear empirical evidence because so far:
- Quantum Physics: it doesnt prove anything spiritual]its the study of sub atomic particles thats it, the thing is that its so fucking complex and mind blowing that scammers always mention it to give a pseudo scientific value to their bullshit, you DONT understand quantum physics, neither do i or almost anybody in this forum, the rule of thumb is, if you dont have a PhD in Physics or better, you are not qualified to talk about quantum physics
- KIrlian Photography :that has been proven to be a hoax, a very shitty one and actually, its perfectly know how these cameras work and why they are obvious hoaxes, crazy that you mention it
- Near death experiences: The Body releases DMT just before death, if you know anything about DMT you would easily understand all the testimonials of these experiences... DMT is whacky as fuck when lucid
- Out of Body experiences: This are just anecdotal evidence, that is just as valid as ppl claiming that aliens kidnapped them, if they can have them and actually see things they wouldnt be able to they would pass a controlled test... which nobody has done so far, otherwise James Randy would shit his pants
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palak United States. Jan 17 2012 07:04. Posts 4601
On January 17 2012 00:23 Jas0n wrote:
this thread reminds me of this picture
LOL
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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hoylemj United States. Jan 17 2012 10:37. Posts 840
On January 17 2012 04:09 Baalim wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 02:39 D_smart_S wrote:
is this the 1st time the soul has been posted on Youtube?
On January 15 2012 15:09 Zorglub wrote:
Did anyone ever think about the concept of interpretation? Words, symbols, numbers, situations, concepts, forms, metaphors etc. are all subject to your personal interpretation, they depend upon your internal knowledge and the ways your brain (or mind) associates these concepts and abstract thoughts with your own subjective knowledge and experience. In this sense, every religion may be true to a certain individual, because it all depends on their own subjective knowledge, experience and interpretation.
This is a cool topic and stuff but I am not sure if it applies when people start trying to proclaim universal truths
also I think the whole point of the scientific method is to remove this subjectivity in as universally accessible way as possible (ie the goals of being verifiable, repeatable in experimentation). The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
falsifiability is completely different from confirmation, you can disprove a scientific theory with contradicting evidence but you can never confirm a theory with supporting evidence.
huh, I know, I was trying to cover that with, "ought to be universal insofar as we're.. currently capable of understanding." I probably could of worded it to be, ".. insofar as its currently understood according to available evidence."
but I was thinking too much about D_smart_S coming in and pointing out that schizophrenics can see (real) things that the rest of us simply don't have access to lolol
I think we're agreeing here?
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On January 16 2012 10:57 Night2o1 wrote:
The kicker for science is that if something is legitimately confirmed in a scientific way, it ought to be universal insofar as we're (we're = human beings, without super powers) currently capable of understanding.
everything in this sentence is wrong
Yo I don't think blatant trolling is what we're looking for here, all this looks like is that you were crushed so hard that you can't even comprehend a reply except for whimpering, feeble, "no.. no... plzzz stop hurting me"'s
IF I'm wrong in my understanding of the topic I'm happy to entertain other points of view.
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LikeASet United States. Jan 17 2012 11:06. Posts 2113
On January 16 2012 22:15 Loco wrote:
That's my point though. That is not Buddhism. You don't "follow" in Buddhism, since it is a religion that doesn't require faith: it advocates knowledge only. You don't "blindly follow" when it comes to a practice like meditation. You practice it, and if it gives you benefits, it didn't require you believing or following anything.
Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a fanatical Buddhist, but generally, Buddhists are the last people you'll have annoying you to follow their path.
If a monk can self-immolate without flinching, then he's cultivated something that Joe Rogan's "free mind" couldn't do, and in that light, he's the one who looks really, really absurd by making some stab at what is clearly a religion that can develop more exceptional people than he is and will ever be.
So here, for good measure (even tho most have seen it already) I raise your Joe Rogan, whamm:
And cretare christians would get eating by lions and not flinch, and muslims would fly into a building and not flinch.
Afterall Buddist believe in reincarnation so where is the value in that, same with every martyr, there is no value in throwing your life away if you believe you will be 72 virgins, in heaven or an eagle
You are really naive on this topic, Baal. My girlfriend told me the same thing, funnily enough.
You're not understanding this at all. There is not a single man of faith who could do what this Buddhist monk has done. Beliefs only go so far. The strength of a belief cannot make you not utter a sound and not move an inch while your body is in flame for 10 minutes. This man had accomplished something exceptional: like the Buddha, he was self-realized; he was no longer attached to the illusion of identity like we all are. And don't tell me this is religious mumbo-jumbo when the first things you should have learned from the findings of neuroscience is that we have no free will and our experience of being an individual is clearly an illusion of the mind.
A Buddhist monk who has realized himself will no longer be reincarnated. That is the goal of the Buddhist. There was nothing left for him to do in this world but to serve others, and this was the necessary thing for him to do. He didn't "throw his life away", he accomplished the goal: the end of suffering and the end of samsara, and wanted others to be able to do the same without being oppressed. It was an act of compassion, nothing like martyrdom. Notice that he is the one who is composed while burning alive, while the others are wailing around.
And Bill Hicks was not religious but he was driven by a religious impulse: self-discovery/self-transcendence was huge for him and he came to the same conclusion that the Eastern philosophies teach. It wasn't Bertrand Russel who taught him that everything is illusory:
He owes everything that he became after his alcoholism to the insights gotten from psylocybin, which basically only serves in replicating religious experience easily.
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On January 16 2012 20:36 whamm! wrote:
hey idiots. listen to this. lol
He fails within the first 30 seconds. "Being a Buddhist is ridiculous!"
Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about Buddhism would call it a ridiculous ideology and compare it with all those other religions he mentioned. Let's hear him talk about the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism and how they're ridiculous instead of a vague statement.
I hate this pop culture shit, seriously. It saddens me to think this is where most people get their philosophical information from. I have nothing against Rogan as a human being or even as a comedian, but as a thinker? I don't find the things he says very meaningful when he speaks about how to enjoy life and "free your mind" while he just seems on a rant, high on marijuana and ends with "y'know... that's dumb." I'm just left thinking: "well, y'know... that's not deep." Why do we need you to tell us that we should think for ourselves? I don't know about you guys, but if I have the choice between looking up to Buddha or fucking Joe Rogan, I'm not picking Joe Rogan.
being a buddhist is stupid, sorry but just become it has some good parts and even if most of its good, being a buddhist, which means believing in all the fucking bullshit it comes with is idiotic.
Believing in Karma is idiotic, believing in reincarnation is idiotic, there is no reason to believe such things besides wishful thinking, especially the Karma part isnt just irrational, is pathetic.
I might not look up to Joe since he has some retarded ideas, but i much rather look up to Bertrand Russel or hell even Bill Hicks way before i do to Gautama
The Karma/Reincarnation stuff basically comes down to the notion of the immortality of our true being, which can be gotten at logically by studying Kant/Schopenhauer and which leads to the somewhat sympathetic view of palingenesis. It is of course slightly different from metempsychosis - since it is not concerned with an individual soul - but I would think you see both as being as ridiculous.
i wonder how Baal has taken entheogens and is like SOOOOOO skeptic and sooo closed-minded. I mean a trip on shrooms, lsd or dmt would blow ones mind, opening it to a million possibilities to explore. You go through an ego death and all that. How did he keep his ego so inflated, what's the secret, Balls?
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
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terrybunny19240 United States. Jan 17 2012 13:08. Posts 13829
Loco say:
--snip--
: nice posts even tho I don't agree with all of it, learned some stuff
I read that chapter 7 essay, the argument appears to me as, 'since (typically) everything which recognizes its existence wants to continue to exist, none of us is an individual/unique.' Why does acknowledging that everyone else has the same desire to exist strip us of our individuality rather than simply enhance our respect for one another? I also don't understand how it implies a universal soul/being, which I think is what you're describing in your above post, to me it seems enough to acknowledge that there were, are, and will be eternal, unending processes occurring in the "universe" -- but nothing more.
(there is a bit more to the essay but lemme know if/how I'm totally missing the point)
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Syntax United States. Jan 17 2012 13:21. Posts 4415
D_smart, how could you call Baal close-minded when all he's done is answer every one of your posts as logical as possible, when all you do is tip toe around your own beliefs over and over again. You'd rather attack him about how 'hes living in a close minded box,' rather than addressing his, from what i've gathered, completely rational argument? In my opinion, you're getting straight owned like was said before. You get all hyped up over things that we don't know the answers to (yet) and go on and on about theories that have been said to be possible but lack, by far, the necessary evidence to be proven otherwise.
And you posting those 'sound' videos and saying "they're just creepy" makes it obvious that you actually believe there's a possibility that something supernatural probably has something to do with it and i'm willing to go out on a limb here and say that someone like baal is going to laugh hysterically of how stupid that assumption would be. (as would i)
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On January 17 2012 11:09 D_smart_S wrote:
i wonder how Baal has taken entheogens and is like SOOOOOO skeptic and sooo closed-minded. I mean a trip on shrooms, lsd or dmt would blow ones mind, opening it to a million possibilities to explore. You go through an ego death and all that. How did he keep his ego so inflated, what's the secret, Balls?
Great example of you taking a stab at his character rather than his argument. So because he doesn't agree with you and presents arguments and rebuttals which you've done a poor job of countering imo, his ego is now inflated? For your sake, i'd research more on science and how we come about answers because you seem to have a poor understanding of that or more precisely, you jump to premature conclusions based on non-grounded assumptions (even if they're brought up in a scientific way. stuff like superposition are not proven, the rabbit hole documentary, which ive seen multiple times is more pseudo-science than anything) Do you think that because particles at a subatomic level react differently than how we've theorized physical reality should, is enough grounds to go along and believe a whole lot of other nonsense, based on that one inconclusive finding? Not too long ago, we couldn't explain certain areas of our universe due to the, what we thought, was unnatural movement of such stars/galaxies/planets, but thanks to stephen hawking and his findings on black holes, we now know what fills that void with mass and now the math plugs in. But before we realized this, i wonder how someone like you would have interpreted it all? Probably wouldn't posted a link to it saying how "creepy" it is, insinuating that because we don't understand it that it's grounds that it might be supernatural, which clearly nothing ever is.
see the logical fallacy i think you're making is that you think that because one thing is unanswerable, you believe that everything as a whole is, or is at least somewhat unanswerable but science has easily proven otherwise. just give it some time and soon that weird noise videos that you posted will be scientifically answer, in fact i think they already were if i'm not mistaken but i could be wrong.
So let's summarise - if i say something and don't give a proof that means I am basing my opinions on nothing. If I say something and post a youtube video that talks on the subject that means that I think solely that video proves what I am saying and that's the only thing I base my opinion on. Moreover, as I have come to realize, videos cannot ever be considered a source of information. Especially from youtube. Another thing I have learned is that if someone else doesn't understand something that means that I don't understand it either. So, basically the only way that I can prove something is if I post all the books in pdf, all the videos, documentaries and interviews and other sites on which I have based my opinion on and at the same time everyone else has to understand it because if that's not the case it would mean that I don't understand it. That's a tough criteria, dude.
And how the fuck do you think I can prove complex things in one post?!? I am posting bits and pieces of information that are just the beginning of the proof. And when I see that something as easy to grasp as the double slit experiment doesn't flow and doesn't mean anything to those of you with which I am arguing then how the fuck can I continue with my argumentation?
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On January 17 2012 13:26 D_smart_S wrote:
So let's summarise - if i say something and don't give a proof that means I am basing my opinions on nothing. If I say something and post a youtube video that talks on the subject that means that I think solely that video proves what I am saying and that's the only thing I base my opinion on. Moreover, as I have come to realize, videos cannot ever be considered a source of information. Especially from youtube. Another thing I have learned is that if someone else doesn't understand something that means that I don't understand it either. So, basically the only way that I can prove something is if I post all the books in pdf, all the videos, documentaries and interviews and other sites on which I have based my opinion on and at the same time everyone else has to understand it because if that's not the case it would mean that I don't understand it. That's a tough criteria, dude.
And how the fuck do you think I can prove complex things in one post?!? I am posting bits and pieces of information that are just the beginning of the proof. And when I see that something as easy to grasp as the double slit experiment doesn't flow and doesn't mean anything to those of you with which I am arguing then how the fuck can I continue with my argumentation?
Hehe, actually what you posted with sarcasm is how it really works, and yes it is that hard to scientifically "prove" something, and even then it could still be disproven so it's not a dogma and infallible by any means, life is tough.
And about the doule slit experiment... I think it's a way easier explanation to say that maybe the measuring device they used somehow made the electrons behave differently than to give another way more complex explanation.
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terrybunny19240 United States. Jan 17 2012 14:34. Posts 13829
D_smart_S:
No u fucking retard, videos, books, etc are not PROOF. They can only serve to break down a LOGICAL SERIES OF STEPS towards a THEORY, CONCLUSION, or IDEA. If YOU can't recognize the logical series of steps and LAY THEM OUT YOURSELF then you don't UNDERSTAND a damn thing. THAT IS HOW BABBY IS FORMED!
I hope this writing style is easier for you to understand.
On January 17 2012 02:39 D_smart_S wrote:
Has anyone here heard any of the strange sounds coming from nowhere? There is an increasing number of reports of such sounds in the sky with no apparent reason for them. From Guatemala through America to Mexico and in many other countries. Nobody has any idea what those sounds are lol.
Did you hear about the part where opening the sound tracks in Audacity reveals all the unusual
sounds to be added in post-production due to obvious tells such as having no delay compared to the rest of the real audio,
being much purer than a recording camera microphone could ever produce,
having the exact soundtrack inserted as some other allegedly mysterious sound videos have inserted et cetera et cetera?
This "strange sound" thing is nonsense, there aren't any two with even remotely similar "mysterious" sounds anyway.
If there were no strange sounds anywhere on this massive planet, now there you would have me sold on something suspicious taking place.
"Nobody has any idea what those sounds are lol" is also clearly bullshit, don't make me brake out the Richard Feynman image I made just for you.
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