Jesus V. Religion - Page 8

pretty nice explanation btw palak (at least, from my low-level understanding). my internal conjecture from watching that video was that having an observer obviously changed the system in some way (tho I obv have no idea why/how); exactly the same as your conclusion.

Jesus v Religion v atom splitting

On January 14 2012 15:39 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 14:31 NMcNasty wrote: Obviously their search engines suck, but I stand corrected.   A quick judgment with absolutely no evidence to back up your statement. There's no "evidence" needed here, my point is that its a matter of perspective. "The glass is half full." "No, the glass is half empty, you obviously don't have a extended education, please provide evidence supporting your position." The evidence needed is for the claim that all pessimism can only be silly high-school mentality that you grow out of.

I didn't make the claim that all pessimism was that, merely that the blog you linked was. You provided the evidence for me when u linked a vid to a couple teenagers rambling about death accompanied by slow motion nature clips and monks chanting.

On January 14 2012 16:14 Night2o1 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 16:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:   On January 14 2012 15:37 Night2o1 wrote:   On January 14 2012 14:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:   On January 14 2012 14:15 Night2o1 wrote: pretty rofl thread, A+ job team! Its a shame baal, locoo, have been raping their arguments so hard.. nothing for me to put in here! Its astounding that D_smart_S talks about understanding quantum mechanics and then says something along the lines of 'u dont need that complex boring math or physics shit to understand it' BTW zulu what do you think of these people's beliefs and chance at salvation? o u think im the religious idiot cuz i no rike richard dawkins, aw Naw I just remember you as being religious and I always like to try to wrap my head around christian's rationalizations about the reasons those who may have never heard of their specific religion may or may not be going to hell im actually not religious, but way to assume i am because i think internet atheists are idiots, and way to assume because i might be religious i'm definitely christian, and way to project all your hilariously misinformed prejudices onto me, you see i can be condescending and dismissive too, you sound like you have a lot of interesting opinions about how like, god can't logically exist and stuff bro hmm you sure are hostile I thought you were christian because I thought you had explicitly mentioned it on the forum before, my bad. some of your posts in this thread had me rolling tho, so thanks anyway D_smart_S well I think you have gotten a sufficient amount of action on your video by now, it really is not a very good explanation of the double slit experiment at all either so...................... conclusions plz

please link to post where i explicitly mention i'm a Christian. You sound like Christianity molested you as a child, should probably go see a therapist instead of posting here.

u ok?

nah bro saints losing

On January 14 2012 14:15 Night2o1 wrote: pretty rofl thread, A+ job team! Its a shame baal, locoo, have been raping their arguments so hard.. nothing for me to put in here! Its astounding that D_smart_S talks about understanding quantum mechanics and then says something along the lines of 'u dont need that complex boring math or physics shit to understand it' BTW zulu what do you think of these people's beliefs and chance at salvation?

People like you ruin threads like these. Just latch onto other posters and bring nothing but unwarranted arrogance.

On January 14 2012 16:39 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 15:39 Loco wrote:   On January 14 2012 14:31 NMcNasty wrote: Obviously their search engines suck, but I stand corrected.   A quick judgment with absolutely no evidence to back up your statement. There's no "evidence" needed here, my point is that its a matter of perspective. "The glass is half full." "No, the glass is half empty, you obviously don't have a extended education, please provide evidence supporting your position." The evidence needed is for the claim that all pessimism can only be silly high-school mentality that you grow out of. I didn't make the claim that all pessimism was that, merely that the blog you linked was. You provided the evidence for me when u linked a vid to a couple teenagers rambling about death accompanied by slow motion nature clips and monks chanting.

I don't know who owns this blog as I just stumbled upon it yesterday, but I entirely disagree that he comes off that way. I don't see him wallowing in self-pity but actually making a point. I sympathize with his view and think Dawkins is a joke; you don't write a book about how meaningless life is, how much of a lottery it is and how much misery there is in the world to end it with a poetic "but I'm lucky to have been born and look forward to every day on this sumptuous planet and so should you".

I linked to a popular atheist/antinatalist video to give you a general idea of where they are coming from. It's not great, but it's not my fault that the real substance is found in books instead of videos. He's certainly not exaggerating that this is what life looks like when you look at it from a scientific perspective. And there's only one person talking in the video and he's not a teenager, but over 50 years old.

should probably read some emerson and put that schopenhauer down bro, it's ok to find life enjoyable

On January 14 2012 17:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: should probably read some emerson and put that schopenhauer down bro, it's ok to find life enjoyable

You said the same thing to me a year or two ago. But now it's kind of funny considering how you just reacted indignantly to someone here for assuming that you are religious, but you have no problem assuming that I'm some kind of fanatic of Schopenhauer who just refuses to find enjoyment in life.

I should give you a condescending zulu_nation8 indignant response, but as a Schopenhauer fanatic I know better how to apply self-control, don't I!




I'd also point out that I can't blame the guy for assuming you are religious, since the first two tenets of 'zulu nation' according to wikipedia are:
1)Belief in the Abrahamic God
2)Belief in the validity of the Bible (Old and New) , Qur'an and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

On January 14 2012 11:23 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 09:41 lebowski wrote:   On January 14 2012 07:48 tutz wrote: lol havent seen this thread until now, and when I open WOAHHH 6 pages of huge posts discussing religion and shit how do you guys waste so much time discussing religion here? seriously, what a waste of time this is an even funnier comment coming from you =) I didnt mean to be funny, are you trying to offend me? did I offend you in any way? are you implying that somehow I like to join pointless discussions?

am I trying to offend you? not too much, but yes
You are a person who joined a philosophical/religious debate, had nothing to contribute and called the whole discussion a waste of time.
So more or less what you were saying is that worrying about who we are, wtf we are going , what the purpose of our lives is and what should we do with them until the shit hits the fan is a waste of time.
Now that seems to me semi-funny as it is, but coming from you, a person who's been accused a bit (not from me, I semi-enjoyed the whole prank thing) for "pointless" threads/blogposts, this gets even better. =)

On January 14 2012 17:58 zulu_nation8 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 17:42 Loco wrote:   On January 14 2012 17:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: should probably read some emerson and put that schopenhauer down bro, it's ok to find life enjoyable You said the same thing to me a year or two ago. But now it's kind of funny considering how you just reacted indignantly to someone here for assuming that you are religious, but you have no problem assuming that I'm some kind of fanatic of Schopenhauer who just refuses to find enjoyment in life. I should give you a condescending zulu_nation8 indignant response, but as a Schopenhauer fanatic I know better how to apply self-control, don't I! I'd also point out that I can't blame the guy for assuming you are religious, since the first two tenets of 'zulu nation' according to wikipedia are: 1)Belief in the Abrahamic God 2)Belief in the validity of the Bible (Old and New) , Qur'an and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God. i think all of what i assumed is entirely reasonable given you brought up the term anti-natalism

So? I said I sympathized with the atheistic view that leads to antinatalism. Especially as opposed to the pollyanna-atheism of the Dawkins kind. To me an atheist has to be lying to himself if he doesn't fall into either nihilism or antinatalism. You don't have to assume that I'm a hardcore antinatalist or an atheist because I sympathize with it, and in fact I am not either.

I do like Schopenhauer, but that really doesn't say anything. Neither does the fact that I've read almost everything Cioran has done (okay maybe that says a bit more). I like reading pessimists, but that doesn't limit me to them. I do like contrast as well, you clearly don't. You go ahead and get some contrast and read this:

i don't really wanna argue about this, you can have your own worldview, and it would take too long anyway. Schopenhauer is a genius, i just personally don't like pessimistic thinkers. I will check that book out. I've always been most interested in the psychology of philosophies.

On January 14 2012 15:08 D_smart_S wrote: So you come to the conclusion that my research is just watching youtube videos because I post videos when I try to share an idea? Would you prefer to read a book or a whole page from a book I have read on the subject? The easiest way to grasp a new concept is through video because you can visualize it much much better than by reading. That's why people prefer TV than books cause it flows easier and faster into their brain. Is this a new concept to you?

Thanks for letting me know how I learn the easiest. For years I thought it was through reading and writing but luckily you've shown me that it's actually through video.

You must of retained a certain percentage of books over the years of your extensive reasearch. Just provide a photo of those books so that the titles and possibly author can be seen along with a little "Hi LP" sign and that should be fine. I'll have to take it on trust that you've read them.

On January 14 2012 18:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: i don't really wanna argue about this, you can have your own worldview, and it would take too long anyway. Schopenhauer is a genius, i just personally don't like pessimistic thinkers. I will check that book out. I've always been most interested in the psychology of philosophies.

I have always tried to 'evolve' my worldview. I don't consider myself that knowledgeable or having hit some kind of philosophical dead-end at this point either. I'm always looking to challenge it. It's just that for many years I've suffered from a weltschmerz - which is not something that I have chosen to feel - so I learned to grow with the pessimistic thinkers and look at them as friends, or compagnons de misère, like Schopenhauer put it. It's good that you at least acknowledge his genius, and I understand why his pessimism is off-putting to most: life is generally difficult enough as is, and most find solace in reading optimistic people and fantasy.

'A Short History of Decay' is probably the best place to start, but with your temperament you'd probably find it quite heavy. Lots of psychology of philosophy in there though.

On January 14 2012 17:20 CirCa wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 14:15 Night2o1 wrote: pretty rofl thread, A+ job team! Its a shame baal, locoo, have been raping their arguments so hard.. nothing for me to put in here! Its astounding that D_smart_S talks about understanding quantum mechanics and then says something along the lines of 'u dont need that complex boring math or physics shit to understand it' BTW zulu what do you think of these people's beliefs and chance at salvation? People like you ruin threads like these. Just latch onto other posters and bring nothing but unwarranted arrogance.

I don't think so, the arguments I mentioned had become pretty farcical and one-sided as far as who had any logical grounding or calm reasoning behind their points.

Infact I posted that video and question in an effort to get a related tangent going (tho obv I messed up, having thought at the time that zulu was christian), and after that I watched a full 5 minute video that another guy posted in order to give it an honest evaluation.

o, suck my dick btw

Lol D Smart you are getting owned here:

First of all nobody believes that you have read a serious book on Quantum Physics, why? because to understand Quantum Physics you kinda need to be a physicist or mathematician.

Also lol the double slit experiment i know exactly what is your retarded theory, so let me take a guess, that consciosness modifies reality, since observing electrons change their behavior, your consciousness has effects... and let me tell you this that is the exact hypotesis of "what the #$%#$% we know", its retarded and that movie is a hoax, the logical conclusion from that would be that the measuring device affects the experiment not the act of observation, which is what any reputable scientist say.

Oh man you just fell for the quantum physics hoax, you will probably love "The Secret" hah

On January 14 2012 17:53 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2012 11:23 tutz wrote:   On January 14 2012 09:41 lebowski wrote:   On January 14 2012 07:48 tutz wrote: lol havent seen this thread until now, and when I open WOAHHH 6 pages of huge posts discussing religion and shit how do you guys waste so much time discussing religion here? seriously, what a waste of time this is an even funnier comment coming from you =) I didnt mean to be funny, are you trying to offend me? did I offend you in any way? are you implying that somehow I like to join pointless discussions? am I trying to offend you? not too much, but yes You are a person who joined a philosophical/religious debate, had nothing to contribute and called the whole discussion a waste of time. So more or less what you were saying is that worrying about who we are, wtf we are going , what the purpose of our lives is and what should we do with them until the shit hits the fan is a waste of time. Now that seems to me semi-funny as it is, but coming from you, a person who's been accused a bit (not from me, I semi-enjoyed the whole prank thing) for "pointless" threads/blogposts, this gets even better. =)

first of all I didnt join the discussion. second, stop putting words in my mouth. third, if trying to offend me makes you feel somehow better go ahead suit yourself. spend your time as you please and I will do the same.

On January 14 2012 22:07 Baalim wrote: Lol D Smart you are getting owned here: First of all nobody believes that you have read a serious book on Quantum Physics, why? because to understand Quantum Physics you kinda need to be a physicist or mathematician. Also lol the double slit experiment i know exactly what is your retarded theory, so let me take a guess, that consciosness modifies reality, since observing electrons change their behavior, your consciousness has effects... and let me tell you this that is the exact hypotesis of "what the #$%#$% we know", its retarded and that movie is a hoax, the logical conclusion from that would be that the measuring device affects the experiment not the act of observation, which is what any reputable scientist say. Oh man you just fell for the quantum physics hoax, you will probably love "The Secret" hah

There was the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment which was a follow up to the double slit experiment. Basically if the observer didn't know which slit it went through, even with utilizing the detectors, you would see an interference pattern.