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Handnr: 958941
Submitted by : Joeingram1

PokerStars Hand #77344118683: Omaha Pot Limit ($50/$100 USD) - 2012/03/17 13:38:42 ET
Table Helma V 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: N Channing ($3000 in chips)
Seat 2: blodders03 ($27138.05 in chips)
Seat 3: JoeIngram1 ($10895 in chips)
Seat 4: Domce ($5910 in chips)
Seat 5: L0ve2playU ($33910 in chips)
Seat 6: Tsubi87 ($10000 in chips)
blodders03: posts small blind $50
JoeIngram1: posts big blind $100

Holecards
Dealt to JoeIngram1 AhAc6h4c
Domce: folds
L0ve2playU: folds
Tsubi87: raises $250 to $350
N Channing: folds
blodders03: folds
JoeIngram1: raises $750 to $1100
Tsubi87: calls $750

Flop (Pot : $2,250.00)

   Qs6c7s

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Daut    United States. Mar 17 2012 14:36. Posts 8955

i like to check call here and lead pot on non awful turns. check fold if turn is a spade, or a non club Q/T/9/8/5

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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Joeingram1   United States. Mar 17 2012 14:40. Posts 943

I actually didn't even think about c/c in the moment, was more deciding between b/f or c/f and choose neither. C/r could be idea also but i've found lately when I c/c on this board, i get owned on alot of turns when I have the best hand because my range is never that strong and seems a bit more +ev to make my decision on the flop


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Mar 17 2012 14:45. Posts 5230

bet fold is fine


Joe   Czech Republic. Mar 17 2012 16:58. Posts 5987

Seems kind of weird to see such a standard spot posted by a nosebleeds player...

Anyways, as a plo noob I obviously welcome any and all plo discussion.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

Daut    United States. Mar 17 2012 17:27. Posts 8955

check call mode is horrendous and you definitely get owned if you check most turns after check calling flop. but if you check call say 1500, you can lead for about 8k of the 10k effective stack on the turn and you can get it in with ok equity vs his range on almost all cards you arent check folding.

the only bad cards are the 9 non ace non 6 spades, the 2 non club queens and the 12 non club T985. thats basically half the deck you are check folding and half you are leading pot. and sometimes he may check back some of those turns with showdown value type hands like KKxx. overall i do prefer this slightly to bet/fold, but i think i check fold after 3betting a little more than most and having some check continues in my range helps

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Zanjong   Afghanistan. Mar 17 2012 17:28. Posts 3076


  On March 17 2012 15:58 Joe wrote:
Seems kind of weird to see such a standard spot posted by a nosebleeds player...

Anyways, as a plo noob I obviously welcome any and all plo discussion.



This comes off as arrogant too me. Whats the point...


Joe   Czech Republic. Mar 17 2012 17:35. Posts 5987

The point is that it surprises me to see such a frequent spot posted by a high stakes player for discussion that doesnt seem to be player dependant.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

Joeingram1   United States. Mar 17 2012 19:14. Posts 943

im sorry other joe, i guess you are expert on every frequent spot at plo


i dont have the ego/mindset where I am the best player ever and know the most +ev spot in every single spot all the time and embrace different lines to try to always get better and potentially see different viewpoints in certain hands. I know what I choose to do is not always the right play. I don't think Q67 flush draw is frequent spot for me, Q64 is diff to me then q67, Q42, 1067, I think in a way there all a bit different then each other and your play could vary on all textures but not really that far apart therefore making each spot kinda unique to me.

This specific spot seem like kinda trivial bet/fold vs villian but then started thinking maybe alternative line might be bit more +ev so I wanted to send hand to few friends on skype and get some feedback from players here that give good input


Joeingram1   United States. Mar 17 2012 19:23. Posts 943


  On March 17 2012 16:27 Daut wrote:
check call mode is horrendous and you definitely get owned if you check most turns after check calling flop. but if you check call say 1500, you can lead for about 8k of the 10k effective stack on the turn and you can get it in with ok equity vs his range on almost all cards you arent check folding.

the only bad cards are the 9 non ace non 6 spades, the 2 non club queens and the 12 non club T985. thats basically half the deck you are check folding and half you are leading pot. and sometimes he may check back some of those turns with showdown value type hands like KKxx. overall i do prefer this slightly to bet/fold, but i think i check fold after 3betting a little more than most and having some check continues in my range helps




I was thinking about last part you said when you made your original reply that it would be good to be balance in this spot vs regulars you often play with (like in this instance). I think if you can mix in sometimes c/r in these 3b pot sometimes with b/c and b/f then you might not need to have c/c in your range with 100bb stacks because if villian knows you won't always fold when you check but also raise when you check just as often than it provides enough balance.I think our range is pretty defined when c/c here and most villians usually can make perfect decisions on many turns with their hand although our definition of perfect could be different then theirs. I might be being a little results oriented from the few times I have decided to c/c in this spot and always get my head spinning a bit on later streets and found its just easier to make my flop play with aggression and go from there.


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Mar 17 2012 22:29. Posts 8915

Isnt your hand pretty much face up when you cc here?

Also why is Joe getting shit for making an innocent comment lol


 

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