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Handnr: 928747
Submitted by : the cleaner

PokerStars Game #72141367986: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/12/14 7:36:04 ET
Table Scorpius IV 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Harpia884 ($164.70 in chips)
Seat 3: majo-K88 ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: the clêaner ($292.25 in chips)
Seat 5: soEpic ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: aurora446 ($109.55 in chips)
majo-K88: posts small blind $0.50
the clêaner: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to the clêaner TsKs
soEpic: folds
aurora446: folds
Harpia884: raises $1 to $2
majo-K88: folds
the clêaner: calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.50)

   7s6h2s
the clêaner: bets $3
Harpia884: calls $3

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $10.50)

   7s6h2s9h
the clêaner: bets $28
Harpia884: calls $28

River (Pot : $66.50)

   7s6h2s9h3s
the clêaner: bets $45.15
Harpia884: calls $45.15

Showdown
the clêaner: shows TsKs (a flush, King high)
Harpia884: mucks hand
the clêaner collected $154.80 from pot

Summary
Total pot $156.80 | Rake $2
Board  7s6h2s9h3s
Seat 2: Harpia884 (button) mucked 7h7c
Seat 3: majo-K88 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: the clêaner (big blind) showed TsKs and won ($154.80) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: soEpic folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: aurora446 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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kingpowa   France. Dec 14 2011 07:49. Posts 1525

why not bet more on river ? I'm not experienced at all with overbets, but doesn't his call on turn scream I have a strong made hand ? Do you think that he would fold JJ/QQ/KK/AA if you overbet river too ?

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Dec 14 2011 08:24. Posts 5072

whats your reasoning behind the overbet?

I don't think it needs to be that big. i think you may be getting value towned too much by sets, two pairs ect. when you bet 300% of the pot, even with your good equity. Some maths might have to be done on it this play.



I'd rather just 3barrel with some good old 4/5 sizing. you can probably easily get him off 65, 78, 88 by the river, as when the 9 hits on the turn his perceive range probably gets stronger, and he will think you are a little less likely to bluff into him. that is, if he is on that level of thinking.

Then again he will probably call alot when the flush draw misses. I actually like a check/decide with your flush draw on the flop. i think leading with it is a little too obvious and it will be hard to 3barrel bluff successfully when it misses.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 14/12/2011 08:47

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Dec 14 2011 09:12. Posts 8915

yeah I dont get the overbet either, seems pretty bad.


the cleaner   Germany. Dec 14 2011 10:19. Posts 3014

i like betting like 2x pot on turn and barrel the river if i miss. i didn't expect villain to show up with a set, since his hand shouldn't be that strong when flatting 2 streets.

turn bet was definetly to big tho.

there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 14/12/2011 10:21

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Dec 14 2011 10:42. Posts 8915

but overbetting means his range going into the river is much stronger than it would be vs a normal bet, hence you will get much less folds on the river.


the cleaner   Germany. Dec 14 2011 11:20. Posts 3014

thx for reply. my thinking was, that he should either raise his strong hands on turn or end up with hands that shouldn't be able to call a big river bet if a blank hits.

maybe i'm just being fpps again

do you like leading flop, and turn with normal size bets (close to potsize) ?

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TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 14 2011 11:44. Posts 20070

if your gonna overbet the turn, you logically should shove the river, since its consistant with your line

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EvilSky    Czech Republic. Dec 14 2011 12:03. Posts 8915


  On December 14 2011 10:20 the cleaner wrote:
thx for reply. my thinking was, that he should either raise his strong hands on turn or end up with hands that shouldn't be able to call a big river bet if a blank hits.

maybe i'm just being fpps again

do you like leading flop, and turn with normal size bets (close to potsize) ?


yeah actually even smaller then that, we dont need to bet big to make him fold stuff like overcards, and things that have some sort of pair+draw are still gonna call but the wider his turn calling range is in theory the more fold equity we have on the river when we brick. also not to mention we are giving ourselves a nice price on a solid draw.

btw Ive never actually considered taking your line so I dont wanna shit on it too much cuz maybe it has merits I just dont see much immediately.


asdf2000   United States. Dec 14 2011 15:00. Posts 7677

I think too many ppl will fold to river shove but I do think river bet should have been bigger.

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TimDawg    United States. Dec 14 2011 16:04. Posts 10196


  On December 14 2011 10:44 TalentedTom wrote:
if your gonna overbet the turn, you logically should shove the river, since its consistant with your line

this was my first thought too

still i think just betting 8-9 on the turn is better than overbetting

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D_Zoo   Canada. Dec 14 2011 16:23. Posts 4013

You aint a poet ur just a drunk with a penLast edit: 14/12/2011 16:24

player999   Brasil. Dec 14 2011 16:27. Posts 7978

I think river is a MUST overbet, 100%

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