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Handnr: 1029187
Submitted by : Fayth

PokerStars Hand #111726272056: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2014/02/12 16:41:50 ET
Table Rostia V 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Romulaz ($674.64 in chips)
Seat 3: Anders VII ($276.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($625.35 in chips)
Seat 5: z4muz ($415.20 in chips)
Seat 6: BigGOGl ($570.97 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $2
z4muz: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero Ah8d
BigGOGl: folds
Romulaz: folds
Anders VII: folds
Hero: raises $8 to $12
z4muz: calls $8

Flop (Pot : $24.00)

   2d9sTh
Hero: bets $11.46
z4muz: calls $11.46

Turn (Pot : $46.92)

   2d9sThAd
Hero: checks
z4muz: bets $32
Hero: calls $32

River (Pot : $110.92)

   2d9sThAd8c
Hero: checks
z4muz: bets $164
Hero:

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Nitewin   United States. Feb 12 2014 16:52. Posts 1179

I'd call because it's SB vs BB, and you look weak.

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Daut    United States. Feb 12 2014 16:53. Posts 8899

i only call if he can have at least a few of the following in his range: KJ KQ 87 86 or worse value. dont think hes turning 9x into a bluff enough otherwise. think it comes down to whether he 3bets KQ/KJ, bets them on the turn, and how he plays 87 86. if he can have even T9/KJ/87 i think it becomes a call. but if for some reason he never has KJ/KQ/T9/87 then you gotta make an exploitive fold. without reads have to call cause unless you were being tricky you have the complete top of your range but not happy about it.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 12/02/2014 16:54

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 12 2014 18:11. Posts 14899

optimal play is 100% call it's not rly a spot unless you check nutted hands or JQ on he turn interesting question is worst hand we call
Exploitively I have no idea, are people really too tight NL400 BvB? you did cap your range there.

93% Sure! Last edit: 12/02/2014 18:13

Baalim   Mexico. Feb 12 2014 20:36. Posts 33131


  On February 12 2014 17:11 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
optimal play is 100% call it's not rly a spot unless you check nutted hands or JQ on he turn interesting question is worst hand we call
Exploitively I have no idea, are people really too tight NL400 BvB? you did cap your range there.



this makes no sense and not it isnt an 100% call in optimal play, also villian isnt going to overbet exploit us when we check call this turn.

In fact your hand is pretty much as strong as any raggy ace, villian is not value overbetting a worse 2 pair here ever so its all about his bluffing frecuency here and against most oponents its a fold

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro OnlineLast edit: 12/02/2014 20:41

cariadon   Estonia. Feb 12 2014 20:38. Posts 4008

he's a little out of his league

Lemon thanks but no thanks ?


cariadon   Estonia. Feb 12 2014 20:41. Posts 4008

There must be a tool that generates hand discussion replies by using poker terms and concepts totally randomly.


careface_   Canada. Feb 12 2014 21:26. Posts 788


  On February 12 2014 19:41 cariadon wrote:
There must be a tool that generates hand discussion replies by using poker terms and concepts totally randomly.



such a problem in every poker hand discussion nowaways, how to over-use poker terms without understanding them, just name dropping the terms


Fayth    Canada. Feb 12 2014 21:43. Posts 10085

of course I check nutted hands on the turn, too many people just float on bb vs sb

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

redrain0125   Canada. Feb 12 2014 21:45. Posts 5451


  On February 12 2014 19:41 cariadon wrote:
There must be a tool that generates hand discussion replies by using poker terms and concepts totally randomly.



lool


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 13 2014 01:24. Posts 8899

Isnt turn pretty much best line most of the time? I mean double barrelling there turns our hand into a bluff and gets value out of really thin range ... seems pretty stnd?
Is river considered a bluff catch basically?


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 13 2014 03:06. Posts 33131


  On February 12 2014 19:41 cariadon wrote:
There must be a tool that generates hand discussion replies by using poker terms and concepts totally randomly.



Lol i like the idea:

Your range is totally capped in a vacuum, so you need to depolarize it with an exploitive merge but thats only if metagame is relevant, otherwise just stick with game theory optimal and check/call most of your range especially if you have blockers to his nuttier hands.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 13 2014 06:19. Posts 14899


  On February 12 2014 19:36 Baalim wrote:
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this makes no sense and not it isnt an 100% call in optimal play


it depends on how you select the hands that make up your calling frequency when trying to play close to optimal/unexploitable especially if villains bluffing % is unknown or he's balanced as well, Ike Zazano etc. decide it based on absolute hand strenght and kicker + blockers mostly for simplicity it makes the frequency easier to control.

Ike talks about this:
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/arti...es-xflixx-NL500-Team-Online-Week-2013
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/arti...xx-Part-2-NL500-Team-Online-Week-2013

93% Sure! Last edit: 13/02/2014 07:28

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 13 2014 06:28. Posts 14899

93% Sure! Last edit: 13/02/2014 07:23

Kusimuumi   Finland. Feb 13 2014 06:42. Posts 185

Dude, step back and look at the big picture for a second.

You have been struggling with penny limits for years and your bankroll is less than your postcount. Do you really think you should be giving advise? You should be mindful of the damage you can cause if people mistake it as valuable.

I am not young enough to know everything. 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 13 2014 07:23. Posts 14899

That is very true, thank you my last post was out of line.

93% Sure!  

TianYuan    Korea (South). Feb 13 2014 07:42. Posts 6792

I think Lemon handled a reply like that pretty well all things considered....

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Feb 13 2014 10:31. Posts 8915

I dont know how you can consider folding here without some read that the guy never gets out of line... also do you really cc the nuts on the turn? if you do because you expect him to be floating too much how can you fold here?
Actually yeah i guess river is pretty bad but still...

 Last edit: 13/02/2014 10:34

mnj   United States. Feb 15 2014 01:36. Posts 3848

this was a long time coming


 

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