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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 03 2009 13:32. Posts 15163
Just sat down at the table

P.S. Another Question -How do you size your bluff 4bets and why?






Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #28944963709: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/06/03 12:50:52 ET
Table Pamina V 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Minusevvvv ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 3: vvv-venlo-01 ($38.75 in chips)
Seat 4: DoC.LemOn ($25 in chips)
Yannick PONS will be allowed to play after the button
Minusevvvv: posts small blind $0.10
vvv-venlo-01: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn 9d9h
DoC.LemOn: raises $0.75 to $1
Minusevvvv: folds
vvv-venlo-01: calls $0.75

Flop (Pot : $2.10)

   Kd5d3s
vvv-venlo-01: checks
DoC.LemOn: bets $1.30
vvv-venlo-01: calls $1.30

Turn (Pot : $4.70)

   Kd5d3s9c
vvv-venlo-01: bets $1.25
WTA50100 joins the table at seat #2
takeonmenutz joins the table at seat #6
DoC.LemOn: raises $5.75 to $7
vvv-venlo-01: calls $5.75

River (Pot : $18.70)

   Kd5d3s9c6d
vvv-venlo-01: bets $17
DoC.LemOn:



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93% Sure! Last edit: 03/06/2009 13:43

OpWestAcct   United States. Jun 03 2009 13:47. Posts 640

Fold

Fuck me 

newbie.cjb   United States. Jun 03 2009 13:49. Posts 3096

raise

my lose is a win. my wins are nothing. 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 03 2009 13:50. Posts 15163

It puts me exactly all in

93% Sure!  

dryath   Australia. Jun 03 2009 14:00. Posts 1317

i fold here, and ur bluff 4b size is just gonna be same as ur normal 4b size. Which of course depends on whether you are IP or OOP and also the size of their 3B. usually gonna be somewhere around 25BB (usually tiny bit bigger at micros)


Sicks Macks   United States. Jun 03 2009 14:02. Posts 3929

fold

Mr. Will Throwit 

gororokgororok   Netherlands. Jun 03 2009 14:04. Posts 3941

i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 03 2009 14:05. Posts 15163


  On June 03 2009 13:04 gororokgororok wrote:
i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25



Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs?

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Kilay   Netherlands. Jun 03 2009 14:26. Posts 1960


  On June 03 2009 13:05 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
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Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs?


Not many of those around, first way for a reasonable sample size and then you can start considering it.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 03 2009 14:40. Posts 15163


  On June 03 2009 13:26 Kilay wrote:
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Not many of those around, first way for a reasonable sample size and then you can start considering it.



Well when someone 3bets me 5times in a row I can't really wait for a big sample size can I? -.-

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barbieman   Sweden. Jun 03 2009 14:55. Posts 2132

why are you raising button preflop when you know he will 3bet you -.-
Tighten up your raising range and loosen up your 4bet value range.


NewbSaibot   United States. Jun 03 2009 15:08. Posts 4947

Play dependent. I find stupid donks are either calling or folding regardless, so I make it the absolute minimum possible to get a reaction. Even a minbet is often all that is required. Against tag's, if I think they would suspect my bet was for value I will again keep it on the lower side, to scare them off. Against really aggressive players I would be inclined to make it much larger, so they get the impression I am prepared to go all the way with the hand, even though I'm not.

Anyway, I think villain was definitely bluffing you here and you need to shove. He may even have picked up 2 pair on the turn. I find when fishy villains raise a draw, it becomes their signature play, meaning they ALWAYS raise draws. I would suspect he would be min-checkraising or donk leading the flop if he really had a flush draw.

bye now 

lebowski   Greece. Jun 03 2009 15:29. Posts 9205

minraise btn= ez game vs maniac 3bettors
HU dudes have figured this out long ago

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Wreckognize   . Jun 03 2009 15:52. Posts 1263

depends on your read, i could go either way but i think id have a hard time getting away at these stakes.


Uptown   . Jun 03 2009 18:25. Posts 3557


  On June 03 2009 13:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
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Well when someone 3bets me 5times in a row I can't really wait for a big sample size can I? -.-



Change tables imo.
fwiw I 4bet to 2.5x for value and for bluffs for balance.

But I'm starting to experiment cutting down on my bluff bets so hm.


Half Pot! 

rednalluk   Sweden. Jun 05 2009 18:28. Posts 626

5 times in a row on NL10 and with the stats your saying? Pics or it didnt happen imo
On a more serious note, i'd either change table or tighten up and stick in in with alot more. Absolutely no need to start 4b-bluffing. There is alot of money to be made without that trick in your bag. If you want to do it anyway....man, then i have no good advice you havent already been given. Another thing you might want to try is to call and c/r alot of board, because i guess he has like 90%+ c-bet after he 3bets??
gl hf


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jun 05 2009 18:43. Posts 15163

Nah it was at NL25, NL10 its just Apollo and me ;o

93% Sure!  

egood   United States. Jun 05 2009 23:47. Posts 1883

i snap here.


 



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