oh, SNAP ?!!?

PokerStars Game #28944963709: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/06/03 12:50:52 ET
Table Pamina V 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Minusevvvv ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 3: vvv-venlo-01 ($38.75 in chips)
Seat 4: DoC.LemOn ($25 in chips)
Yannick PONS will be allowed to play after the button
Minusevvvv: posts small blind $0.10
vvv-venlo-01: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn
DoC.LemOn: raises $0.75 to $1
Minusevvvv: folds
vvv-venlo-01: calls $0.75

Flop (Pot : $2.10)

   
vvv-venlo-01: checks
DoC.LemOn: bets $1.30
vvv-venlo-01: calls $1.30

Turn (Pot : $4.70)

   
vvv-venlo-01: bets $1.25
WTA50100 joins the table at seat #2
takeonmenutz joins the table at seat #6
DoC.LemOn: raises $5.75 to $7
vvv-venlo-01: calls $5.75

River (Pot : $18.70)

   
vvv-venlo-01: bets $17
DoC.LemOn:

0 votes

Fold

raise

It puts me exactly all in

i fold here, and ur bluff 4b size is just gonna be same as ur normal 4b size. Which of course depends on whether you are IP or OOP and also the size of their 3B. usually gonna be somewhere around 25BB (usually tiny bit bigger at micros)

fold

i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25

On June 03 2009 13:04 gororokgororok wrote: i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25

Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs?

On June 03 2009 13:05 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2009 13:04 gororokgororok wrote: i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25 Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs?

Not many of those around, first way for a reasonable sample size and then you can start considering it.

On June 03 2009 13:26 Kilay wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2009 13:05 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On June 03 2009 13:04 gororokgororok wrote: i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25 Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs? Not many of those around, first way for a reasonable sample size and then you can start considering it.

Well when someone 3bets me 5times in a row I can't really wait for a big sample size can I? -.-

why are you raising button preflop when you know he will 3bet you -.-
Tighten up your raising range and loosen up your 4bet value range.

Play dependent. I find stupid donks are either calling or folding regardless, so I make it the absolute minimum possible to get a reaction. Even a minbet is often all that is required. Against tag's, if I think they would suspect my bet was for value I will again keep it on the lower side, to scare them off. Against really aggressive players I would be inclined to make it much larger, so they get the impression I am prepared to go all the way with the hand, even though I'm not.

Anyway, I think villain was definitely bluffing you here and you need to shove. He may even have picked up 2 pair on the turn. I find when fishy villains raise a draw, it becomes their signature play, meaning they ALWAYS raise draws. I would suspect he would be min-checkraising or donk leading the flop if he really had a flush draw.

minraise btn= ez game vs maniac 3bettors
HU dudes have figured this out long ago

depends on your read, i could go either way but i think id have a hard time getting away at these stakes.

On June 03 2009 13:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2009 13:26 Kilay wrote:   On June 03 2009 13:05 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On June 03 2009 13:04 gororokgororok wrote: i wouldnt 4betbluf on nl25 Even against 30%+ 3bet in blinds regs? Not many of those around, first way for a reasonable sample size and then you can start considering it. Well when someone 3bets me 5times in a row I can't really wait for a big sample size can I? -.-

Change tables imo.
fwiw I 4bet to 2.5x for value and for bluffs for balance.

But I'm starting to experiment cutting down on my bluff bets so hm.

5 times in a row on NL10 and with the stats your saying? Pics or it didnt happen imo
On a more serious note, i'd either change table or tighten up and stick in in with alot more. Absolutely no need to start 4b-bluffing. There is alot of money to be made without that trick in your bag. If you want to do it anyway....man, then i have no good advice you havent already been given. Another thing you might want to try is to call and c/r alot of board, because i guess he has like 90%+ c-bet after he 3bets??
gl hf

Nah it was at NL25, NL10 its just Apollo and me ;o

i snap here.