Finally made a nice laydown
k2o4, Nov 27 2007
On a hand that I used to go broke with!
Submitted by : k2o4
POKERSTARS GAME #13509186736: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/11/27 - 19:22:12 (ET)
Table 'Crescentia III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JensBon ($41 in chips)
Seat 2: Jay4622 ($54 in chips)
Seat 3: jongo12 ($53.50 in chips)
Seat 4: HerrPferd ($87.60 in chips)
Seat 5: k2o4 ($55.50 in chips)
Seat 6: bandit_ace1 ($62.65 in chips)
HerrPferd: posts small blind $0.25
k2o4 : posts big blind $0.50
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4  
bandit_ace1: folds
JensBon: calls $0.50
Jay4622: folds
jongo12: calls $0.50
HerrPferd: folds
k2o4 : checks
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.75)
  
k2o4 : bets $1.50
JensBon: calls $1.50
jongo12: calls $1.50
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $6.25)
k2o4 : bets $5.75
JensBon: raises $5.75 to $11.50
jongo12: calls $11.50
k2o4 : folds
River (Pot : $35.00)
JensBon: bets $27.50 and is all-in
jongo12: calls $27.50
Showdown
JensBon: shows   (a pair of Queens)
jongo12: shows   (two pair, Tens and Nines)
jongo12 collected $87 from pot
Summary
Total pot $90 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: JensBon showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: Jay4622 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jongo12 (button) showed and won ($87) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 4: HerrPferd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: k2o4 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: bandit_ace1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Still playing overall well. Starting to get a much better feel for things. Thrown in a few more bluffs, which is still a very small part of my game, and they've been pretty well timed and gotten laydowns. I will tend to end the session with big stacks on most of my tables, but then only have a 1-2 buyin win cause of my mistakes which lost me money early on.
Also installed the Bet Pot Scripts, and they're quite nice. Makes things much easier, plus I suck at calculating the size of the pot when I'm raising someone so speeds things up. I also realized that I wasn't really raising the full pot, my calculations were wrong the last 3 months. Or so says the bet pot script!
I Sucked Out
k2o4, Nov 26 2007
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/323638
Well, kinda, as my top set turned into a boat on the river to kill my opponents str8. He didn't take too kindly to it though...
| | kingbaxter said, "omg"
kingbaxter said, "you better bend over and start doing a muslum chant for that luck"
kingbaxter said, "that was ridiculous"
kingbaxter said, "***in river bullsht"
kingbaxter said, "with beats like that everyone here is losing there money"
kingbaxter said, "have fun everyone losting your money" |
At which point he left the table, hehe. I was hoping he'd stay and tilt off some more, but no luck.
Also hit a pretty big pot pretty soon after that. This guy was 3 betting me like crazy. I'd isolate a fish while on the button and he'd 3bet me from the big blind. It was maddening. Then this hand came up and things got a bit crazy.
Submitted by : k2o4
PokerStars Game #13494557268: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/11/27 - 00:33:02 (ET)
Table 'Menkib III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: k2o4 ($100.45 in chips)
Seat 2: mdx9 ($82.05 in chips)
Seat 3: NutStylin ($72.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Ronin222 ($98.40 in chips)
Seat 5: run409 ($54.05 in chips)
Seat 6: mydogpound ($20.75 in chips)
NutStylin: posts small blind $0.25
Ronin222: posts big blind $0.50
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4 
run409: raises $1.50 to $2
mydogpound: folds
k2o4 : raises $4 to $6
mdx9: raises $16 to $22
NutStylin: folds
Ronin222: folds
run409: folds
k2o4 : raises $78.45 to $100.45 and is all-in
mdx9 said, "the over shove"
mdx9 said, "gotta be AK"
k2o4 said, "and u got JJ?"
mdx9 said, "QQ"
k2o4 said, "coin toss"
mdx9 said, "if you had AA i think you just 5-bet nicely"
mdx9 said, "why shove it in?"
mdx9 said, "grr."
mdx9: calls $60.05 and is all-in
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $166.85)
  
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $166.85)
River (Pot : $166.85)
Showdown
k2o4 : shows (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
mdx9: mucks hand
mdx9 said, "lol"
k2o4 collected $163.85 from pot
Summary
Total pot $166.85 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: k2o4 showed and won ($163.85) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 2: mdx9 (button) mucked 
Seat 3: NutStylin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Ronin222 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: run409 folded before Flop
Seat 6: mydogpound folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Fun convo in there =)
Started off the day trying to be a bit more lag. Did well just playing normal lag, then tried maniac and did ok but after 3 separate sessions trying it, I lost 3 buyins. Then played my regular TAG game tonight and won it back and finished out almost exactly where I started this morning. heh. Really should have done my experimenting on NL25 and saved some money.
EDIT: I just smoked a cig and realized that I ran really well in 2 poorly played hands, haha. Fuck.
Push Overcards + Flush Draw on Flop?
k2o4, Nov 25 2007
I just posted this rambling rant on my team's forum and plan to clean it up a bit and then post it on the main poker forums later, but for now I'm gonna throw it down here.
Ok, what I've been consistently told is that it's a +ev play to push 2 overcards and a flush draw on the flop. I started wondering if this was really true though, and here's what I found after doing a bunch of messing around in a odds calculator.
I started thinking that if you get called, you're probably pretty fucked. And that does seem to be the case. Let's figure out what hands are going to bet into us or raise us on the flop, and then call an all-in bet.
A pair: They either have top pair top kicker, a pair with a decent kicker, or an overpair. Vs JJ on a 27T board w/ AK and a flush draw, you're golden and winning 53%. Same if they have something like JT. But let's say they have top pair top kicker... AJ... now your ace is counterfeit and you're only winning 46% of the time. I think that the majority of the time that someone will call your all in bet with only 1 pair, they will have top pair top kicker or an overpair. So this almost makes it feel like having KQs is better than AKs for those spots.
Two Pair: vs 2pair you're in a world of hurt. Now you're basically on a flush draw and winning 36% of the time.
Set: It's worse vs a set, cause you're again on a flush draw but the set has so many redraws into a boat that you're only winning 25% of the time.
Str8: This is the best of the bigger made hands as all your flush outs are clean, so you win 37% of the time.
Flush or Str8 Draw: Maybe you get lucky and have someone call who's just drawing to a better hand (possible but not likely). Now you're a favorite to win, anywhere between 70% to 90% depending on their cards being higher or lower than urs.
boat / 4 of a kind: obviously you're not wanting to make this play on a paired board, but if you did and they had a boat or quads, you're fucked and winning less than 1% of the time.
Now, I figure that any set, two pair or str8 is gonna call your push. You'll get some calls from TpTk and an overpair. So when you do get called, you've got a high chance of losing. I don't know that you get enough folds to your all-in to make up for the losses you take when they do call.
Now, if we switch things into an Open Ended Str8 draw + a flush draw, you're in business. You're winning vs the majority of hands... you own top pair 55% and two pair 51%, win 42% vs a set and are even winning 52% vs a str8 if they have the low end and you're drawing to the top end. Add 2 overcards to the mix and you're even more solid, taking down top pair 67% of the time.
So I still think that an open ended str8 draw + a flush draw (especially with overcards) is a hand to push on the flop. I'm just not sure if two overcards + a flush draw is worth it. You might be counterfeit and only have 1 overcard vs their pair so you're losing, and vs 2pair/set/str8 you're screwed.
Thoughts?
To The East Side..
k2o4, Nov 21 2007
Moving on up... ohhh to the East Side!!!
So after my first shot at NL50 with a BR of $1,230 that turned into a 3 buyin loss, I decided to stick to NL25 until I got back up to $1,250 and then give it another shot. Played a nice session but unfortunately folded AA vs a guy who went all in because of a freaking misclick, losing the half buyin I already put into the pot. He later told me he had AK. So I came out with about 2/3 of a buyin win... and a lot of anger.
Then I got inspired. I got motivated. I got pumped up. Why? Cause I read the RainKhan interview! Then I read Rekruls interview too. And I remembered how it's all about staying cool and composed. And I remembered that my fellow old school BW players were killing the poker scene. And I remembered that I can do it too.
So I hopped back onto NL50 with my $1,100 BR figuring I could lose 2 more buyins before moving back down, and just played my A game. I hit KK vs AA right away and KK overpair vs a set that I couldn't get myself away from, but then it was all glory as I cruised to a 6.5 buyin win for the session. Hit a new peak of $1,425!! Feels good, especially since I was just on my worst downswing ever.
I'm going to continue moving up a limit when I hit 25 buyins and move down when I'm at 20 buyins. I just need that extra security cause I'm a nit at heart.
And now I'm solidly into NL50! Glad to be here. It's definitely no harder than NL25. Dunno why I was so worried about it. Of course if I drop to $1,000 I'll go back down to NL25, but I've got a nice cushion now.
Graph and PT ss time
2 limits to go and then I can make enough money to actually buy something real with my poker winnings, hell even pay rent? MAYBE!
My Worst Downsing... Ever
k2o4, Nov 17 2007
Wow. This has been bad. I have finally felt the weight and depression of a painful downward spiral into self doubt. I worked very hard to avoid tilting and today especially... I would play about an hour then hit 3 horrible hands in a row and be ready to push every hand on every table, but instead quickly closed PS and went to hang out with my girlfriend till she got a smile back on my face. Then I'd head back to the computer and try again after clearing my mind and doing a few incantations reminding myself that I could beat NL25.
Despite all that I kept losing, and losing, and losing... So I had a couple drinks and decided to make a big change - Super tight, 12+ tables and very aggro. Amazingly it worked. I ended up 18 tabling for a bit (weird that I 18 tabled 6max and used to have trouble 12 tabling full ring) and winning 8 buyins! Didn't fully recoup me as I was down a total of 14 buyins, but it sure was nice. I experimented with the idea of overbetting the pot... always. Seriously. My continuation bets were always over the pot, and at the lowest they'd be pot sized. I actually did 1 continuation bet that was 1/2 the pot and someone saw it, tried to raise to steal and I reraised and stole it back with air. That was a nice one.
Anyway, I am not sure if I just got really lucky for a bit or if this is a good strategy. I played about 13% of my hands and raised like a maniac. I varied my PFR from 4x the big blind to 8x the big blind (open raising). I also 3bet a bit lighter and much larger than the pot when I did. Then I'd hit the flop with overpot continuation bets and I got people to lay down left and right. The beauty was that the few times people DID call, if I had air I'd easily get away from it, and if I had a hand I could easily get them all in. I also found that even though I was playing much tighter than normal, the people who were at the same table with me for about an hour started treating me like a complete maniac. Yes, I was betting huge, but I usually had pretty solid hands to do it with. I started getting people pushing with KTo and worse. It was nice.
I completely got away from the blind stealing game. If I had enough time amongst the 18 tables to notice someone was stealing like crazy vs me I'd open my 3bet range a bit, but overall I let it go. If I noticed I was in steal position vs a super nit then I'd open up light too. I'd check my BB nearly 100% of the time and check / fold. If I did hit I'd overbet the pot. Again, mostly people folded but when they did call, I had something and got paid off for it. Usually the odd 2pair that you get outta the BB.
Anyway, that's my story for tonight. After about a 6 day downswing, finally had a solid winning session. I think I will try the same strategy again tomorrow and see how it comes out. Here's some graph's and SS's to put some visuals on this experience:
Still having trouble figuring out the skalnsky stuff. It's not loading the same # of hands as PT says I played. Bah.
Not Doing So Well
k2o4, Nov 15 2007
So I bitch about not having enough time for poker, then I get home from travel and I get a few days where I put in several thousand hands and do nothing but lose. Damn. I think it's mostly a downswing but I haven't figured out how to use the EV graphs yet, so all we have is this old crap one. I will probably go figure those other graphs out as soon as I finish posting this, then edit it. God I'm stupid.
Anyway, here's the graph:
I know it's not all bad cards. I've made a bunch of bad calls. That seems to be my big problem lately. I'm doing a good job of getting it all in with my winning hands but I am taking good hands too far when they become losers even when I have a feeling I could be beat.
So I've been whoring the forums the last few days with many topics asking a million questions. I apologize to everyone that I have annoyed to death with my pestering. With that apology, here are the links to the threads! Yep, I'm a whore.
Question about stealing blinds
Theory about betting vs people with high fold %
5 big losers from last night
Work Killin Poker Time
k2o4, Nov 09 2007
garhhhhzaaa
Damn work is killing my poker time.
Last week my car dies and I get stuck at my dads place for a bit. Get back to work on friday. Saturday we have a conference which has me up 6am and not home from work till 11pm.
Sunday off.
Monday work all day prepping for a trip.
Tuesday @ 6am wakeup and off to the airport. Sleep on the plane. Fly to DC. film an event. get to bed by midnight.
Wednesday up @ 5am eastern (3am my time zone, mountain) and drive to the airport to fly back to Colorado. Sleep on the plane. Get home and spend time with the GF, then go to the office and work for a bit. Go out to movie with GF (30 days of night wasn't that scary, too bad). Go home, play a bit of poker, sleep.
Thursday @ 6am mountain I get up and head to the airport. Sleep on the plane, again. Land in st louis and shuttle for 1.5 hours to kingdom city. Sleep in that damn shuttle too. Spend 1 hour "settling in" then rent a car and drive 3 hours to kansas city to pick up someone flying in. Spend the night in a hotel, sleeping at midnight.
Friday @ 10am (THANK GOD) wakeup, eat, drive 3 hours back to kingdom city, run around all day doing meetings and a public talk, get home 10pm. Browse net for a bit and then post this long complaint.
life is too hectic sometimes. a;sldkjf
Despite all that, here's my first 8 days of playing NL25 6max. Man, I have made soooooo many stupid mistakes. Feel like a complete noob again. But my last 2 sessions I started feeling it... just hope I don't lose touch by missing poker due to the real job kicking my ass, hehe.
Cashin Out
k2o4, Oct 29 2007
Not everything, just a bit. I decided when I reached $1,250 I'd take $250 out and treat myself a bit. Gonna use however much I need to get a cardrunners membership and then I'm going to take the rest and use it on halloween. My GF and I have been invited to some fancy costume party where a friend of a friend has rented out a bar. So that means we'll need cash for costumes, food and drinks. Let poker pay for that!
Finally hit the $1,250 mark tonight after a rocky weekend. Couldn't seem to win. I swear I can't seem to figure out how to play when everyone is drunk and willing to bluff with anything. Guess it just turns into a rollercoaster ride but for some reason I always end up puking and not enjoying it in the end. I actually could have come out a solid winner sooner if I wasn't making so many stupid mistakes... just haven't got as much practice in those laggy games as I do in the regular weeknight game, which is a different beast.
This marks a new level for me. I'm now going to make the move outta full ring and into 6max, using the cardrunner videos to try and figure out what I need to change. Anyone wanting to drop advice in here about the types of changes I need to make, please feel free. Things like adjustments in starting hand requirements, continuation bets, fighting for the blinds and so on would be much appreciated. Once I get my now $1,000 BR up to $1,500 I will make the move to NL50 6max. I figure the time it takes me to win 20 buyins at NL25 6max should be a good learning experience that prepares me for NL50.
So here are the graph's and SS's. First is PT over the last 2 months, second is a graph for this weekend and last is a graph for the last 2 months.
Cheers +)
Lord Help Me
k2o4, Oct 27 2007
I seem to do much better on the regular week than I do on the weekend when people start bluffing left and right and the tables are seeing %40 of the flops and up. I dunno why. I always feel like I'm making big money cause I stack people left and right, but when I'm done I end up being down a buyin or 2. Here's a bunch of hands from last night's sessions that may have been the leaks which gave me an overall loss.... help plz.
| | 1) Bad play with JJ? I was pretty sure that I was ahead of all these guys and I was right, but when they collectively call I'm now behind to win the pot. Figured I would either get all folds or 1 call with someone behind, and I was wrong on that, got 3 calls with 3 behind. Is this a longterm +ev move?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303637
2) No read on this guy and I'm guessing He's on Ak, Aq, Aj, KQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ... maybe he's going a bit crazy with a smaller hand, but any pocket pair is ahead of me on this flop by a lot. Is this a time to bet out, Cr, or check/fold?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303640
3) Standard?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303642
4) bad play?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303643
5) Table was laggy and I figured he could be on a flush draw... this was good right?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303644
6) Villain running 16.4/5.9/1.11 - never Cr'd, went to showdown 20% and won @ showdown 25%, and he rarely ever cold called raises. His PF call had me put him on a pair or AK and with that bet I figured he hit his set. Thoughts?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303646
7) Vs a loose passive table, no read on the specific bad guy... badly done?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303647
8) This guy was a super tight nit, and this was his first time raising preflop in about 70 hands. I figured he had AA KK QQ AK. Felt that if I flopped a set he'd get it all in with AA or KK as an overpair. My dream came true and turned into a nightmare... oh well, was it a good play or not? His turn check got me thinking "I really hope he doesn't have QQ"
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303650
9) standard?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303651
10) Bet turn bigger? Fold river? Bet river? Best move here?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/303652 |
Such an Idiot
k2o4, Oct 22 2007
I had a good session, but it would have been a monster if I hadn't made one stupid fucking move... well I guess I would have saved one buy-in instead of losing 2... So here's my 3 most interesting hands from this session. Pulled in another 4 buyins in 500-1000 hands.
That last hand was just idiotic and painful. My stats showed that he never folded so I was going to bet the pot at him for value, then that turn raise showed up. I should have realized what it was but I wasn't thinking. Was just pounding away and also thinking about how huge a win it would be if I caught him bluffing. ;alsdfjk
I got off immediately after that hand to avoid losing more to the tilt that was overwhelming me!
So here's the entire run @ NL25 so far over the last ~14 days:
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