Stealing blinds %'s

I've been trying to figure out how to read those stats on PAH. Basically, i'm trying to figure out what is a tight stealing percent, a good one and a loose one. Right now I'm set up like this:

Attempt To Steal:
0%-15% = Tight, mostly betting good hands
15%-25% = Medium, probably stealing but hard to tell when
25%-40% = Loose, stealing
40%-100% = Stealing with very weak hands

I have no idea if those percentages are accurate or not. So what would you guys consider each range to be?

At the same time, I also am trying to figure out the blinds to steal percents that make sense. Obviously the higher their percent is the more I want to steal from them. But what's a good percent? I have checked mine and I fold about 85% of the time and I tend to defend vs aggressive stealers. So that makes me feel like I need to set this pretty high. Here's how I have it right now... it's all pretty polarized cause I had no clue what to put:

0%-15% = Doesn't fold, don't try to steal
15%-65% = Dunno what to think, so just don't mess with it
65%-100% = Folds to steals so go for it

I figured that since they fold over half the time, there might be profit in raising em. I feel like I need to tighten that up though.

Any help on figuring out how to range these stats would be a huge help!

If someone folds their blind to to steal less than 70% they are already defending pretty loose I think.. I mean, I'm still gonna raise pretty loosely but it's not like when you play vs someone who folds 85-90%

so you'd say that anyone folding 70% + is good to steal from? below like 60-70 would be a marginal steal, and anything less than 60 don't steal from em?

Can anyone explain how PT defines "stealing blinds"?
I mean in what position/situation does a raise count as an attempt to steal?

I always thought they did it by an open raise from the cutoff / button.

Raising from small blind against the big blind is included in attempt to steal blinds so this stat is a bit deceptive.

you kids and your lables

On November 15 2007 13:38 k2o4 wrote: so you'd say that anyone folding 70% + is good to steal from? below like 60-70 would be a marginal steal, and anything less than 60 don't steal from em?

I dunno, even vs people who defend super loosely, if I have position I don't mind playing a hand that flops decent even if they do defend too much. If they are A high to the felt calling stations I might cut down on it since I want to be able to flop a decent top pair at least.

When someone folds a ridic. amount (like 90%+) I just open any two cards in SB/btn (unless the other blind is defending much looser). Also, I think it might be more important to take note of who will 3bet you light, a call isn't that scary for the most part.

i think you are lookin far too much into stats especially on nl25...

you arnt going to get nearly enough hands on a player for stats like folds to steal to be anywhere near effective.

maybe once u've been playing nl25 every day for 5 months then ull have enough hands to draw conclusions from these stats. stick to simple vpip/pfr mostly for nl25 and take the other stats as useful but dont really base your decisions around them

and to answer ur first question, i have got a really wide co/button opening range and im at like 33% to steal so id say 35% is very loose.

On November 15 2007 15:18 Critterer wrote: i think you are lookin far too much into stats especially on nl25... you arnt going to get nearly enough hands on a player for stats like folds to steal to be anywhere near effective. maybe once u've been playing nl25 every day for 5 months then ull have enough hands to draw conclusions from these stats. stick to simple vpip/pfr mostly for nl25 and take the other stats as useful but dont really base your decisions around them

True, which is why I have my stats very ranged in 5 colors. So on the two poles (red and light green) I figure I can use it to make some decisions since it's so extreme. I make both the polls very small. Then everything in the middle is more speculative unless I have a big hand vs em.

But good point about following the main 3. You're probably right.

> 35% attempt to steal is exploitable unless they have really solid re-rebluffing and value shoving frequencies. 3bet these players madly. if they are calling too many 3bets, then they're what you should note as "goldmines." just 3bet them with any good hand and laugh all the way to the bank as you valuetown them over and over (but don't bluff 3bet them much...just enough to keep them guessing).

< 25% attempt to steal means this player doesn't understand position. use it against him.

between 25% and 35% your opponent is probably a reasonably knowledgeable player, but still most likely not good overall. look for his mistakes to be postflop, and play as many pots against him as you reasonably can, just to see a flop and/or turn and then somehow win the pot.

your blind defense obviously depends on who is raising your blinds. if you play a really nitty game, your blind defense should be pretty low (e.g. high % folds to steal). if you play like midstakes 6max on stars/ftp, your blind defense should be pretty high (low % folds to steal). i'd say a "high" % folds to steal is over 85. a "low" % folds to steal is under 70.

your "% folds to steal" should be higher in the SB than the BB, because when you are calling raises from the SB you still have to worry about the BB, so you should call less often.

and btw you should probably have around 40% attempt to steal in 6max (except on ultra loose sites like prima) until you reach 3/6 or so. if you play well, you can get away with SOOOOOOOOOO much stealing.

Another thread pzowned by Myth XD

thanks myth, I was basically just waiting for you to comment =) haha

Could you comment on my other thread lower down in the board about betting vs big folders? Then my day would be complete, hehe.