Bloated Pot Spots (Part 1 of Possibly Many) - Page 3

I actually really like Tom's thought process and did think he might've been trolling earlier lol

It's kinda genius actually. I like it

TalentedTom is like secret genius imo

On December 20 2011 11:00 TalentedTom wrote: After you squeeze, the entire table is looking / focused at you to fire a c-bet, when you dont, its gonna open up a ton of action that would not be there had you c-bet. When you bet people are gonna play very straight vs your bet, your basically playing your equity and hoping u went outflopped, where if u check, people are gonna take a ton of stabs at the pot with the assumption your always check folding your AK

not in live play they wont.

On December 28 2011 20:47 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2011 11:00 TalentedTom wrote: After you squeeze, the entire table is looking / focused at you to fire a c-bet, when you dont, its gonna open up a ton of action that would not be there had you c-bet. When you bet people are gonna play very straight vs your bet, your basically playing your equity and hoping u went outflopped, where if u check, people are gonna take a ton of stabs at the pot with the assumption your always check folding your AK not in live play they wont.

Care to elaborate?

Or are you just going to leave us with this awesome and insightful post

I was saying that live players arent going to simply assume you have AK because you 3bet and checked. And if when they do they arent going to bet, because lets face it live players are way passive and i can see more live players checking toppair even in the last to act position in a 3bet pot than those who dont.

On December 29 2011 07:01 wobbly_au wrote: I was saying that live players arent going to simply assume you have AK because you 3bet and checked. And if when they do they arent going to bet, because lets face it live players are way passive and i can see more live players checking toppair even in the last to act position in a 3bet pot than those who dont.

I don't know how much live experience you have but I really disagree with this post

I'd think most live players would always assume you would bet over pairs in all 3 spots and when you don't, then they expect you to have nothing which is why I wouldn't put it past your avg live player to bluff when checked to in these spots. They would FOR SURE be betting something with top pair a good amt

On January 02 2012 05:21 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On December 29 2011 07:01 wobbly_au wrote: I was saying that live players arent going to simply assume you have AK because you 3bet and checked. And if when they do they arent going to bet, because lets face it live players are way passive and i can see more live players checking toppair even in the last to act position in a 3bet pot than those who dont. I don't know how much live experience you have but I really disagree with this post I'd think most live players would always assume you would bet over pairs in all 3 spots and when you don't, then they expect you to have nothing which is why I wouldn't put it past your avg live player to bluff when checked to in these spots. They would FOR SURE be betting something with top pair a good amt

They might bet to "see where theyre at" but that makes it a better spot to check-shove as a bluff since they'll bet/fold a buncha value hands. It really depends on the villains in the hand. If they are your average winning live regfish I think wobbly is right and they will check back any top pair as well as bad overpairs for fear of the check shove and betting is probably better since they will call with their crappy overpairs at least once and pair+straight draws and only ship a really strong range.

edit: i was referring to a hand where you sqz out of the blinds and have multi way action on a coordinated board fwiw; didn't think about any other situations but it applies to a lesser extent on the dry boards too I think.

On December 20 2011 11:00 TalentedTom wrote: After you squeeze, the entire table is looking / focused at you to fire a c-bet, when you dont, its gonna open up a ton of action that would not be there had you c-bet. When you bet people are gonna play very straight vs your bet, your basically playing your equity and hoping u went outflopped, where if u check, people are gonna take a ton of stabs at the pot with the assumption your always check folding your AK

I disagree strongly to bolded. Players will play straight forward regardless of your bet. It's a huge mistake not to bet when you'll lose value, lose initiative, give a freecard and also open your self up to making bigger mistake on future streets whether by folding the best hand or calling with worst.

^I kind of agree with that. I was "impressed" by nittness of live players in London casinos to the point I had to reevaluate my bluffing/vbetting ranges .
(nl200/400 GBP though). Higher it's the opposite from what I've seen . So it depends.