5/10/20 KK on wet board.

Game is $5/$10/$20. I've been fairly active at the table. Villan is Sixpeppers from cardrunners (aka actionDJ online) has been pretty tight and solid for the most part. We have a lot of history from other hands but I don't think any of it applies to this particular spot since the game has been playing fairly straight forward due to two mega fish. There is one huge fish in this hand on the button that this game is revolving around whos already punted $10k.

Weak player w $800 limps for $20 in EP, I raise to $100 w/ . Super fish whos sitting on a $450 stack calls $100, and actionDJ in the straddle calls the $80 more. Effective stacks are $3.2k.

Flop: (Pot: $415)
actionDJ leads out for $300. Weak player folds. I flat call, and super fish folds.

Turn: (Pot: $1015)
actionDJ leads for $810. I have $2k~ behind. Thoughts? Game plan?

Fold, IMO.

Leading into two people then followed by that monster bet on the turn looks like a hand he's wanting to protect to the bone and doesn't want to see stupid turn cards / action killers.

Given stack sizes I think its much better for villain to lead w/ diamonds since he wouldn't really have fold equity against the fish with a checkraise. It also wouldn't be bad to lead and call AQ or something vs them. I dunno if those possibilities are enough to overcome the strength that he's showing though, especially since QJ, Q8s, J8s are all in his range.

It may seem super nitty but I think just folding flop is a possibility, but if not you should probably be getting it in on this turn. I don't see this type of villain slowing down with his combos draws and possibly AQ when you could peeling flop with a ton of hands.

if you are calling flop should get it in on the turn, its not like hes gonna lead and shut down in many turns and this is one of the best there is

it's weird that you say "game has been playing fairly straight forward due to two mega fish", if anything game should be pretty splashy and weird at least preflop if people wanna get in pots with the fish, anyway u mentiones actiondj is been playing pretty tight and nitty so this should be a fold on the flop hes probably only betting out super monsters, 2 pair and the only hand you beat is AQ not sure if he even leads that

i like shoving turn, not the best spot but think your ahead enough times of his range here imo.

I dont know, my brain has to agree with the merit of folding the flop but I just cant completely wrap my head around doing it for some reason.

Find a better spot? If he shows you the nuts here and you stack off with an over pair thats pretty embaressing considering there was barely any action preflop. But if your putting him on a draw why not just call then if no draws complete, you safely call off the rest? He might possibly check river too if hearts or straight come but then you turn your hand into a bluff and jam. I like folding turn better but if i was going with it I like putting money in on river as second best choice.

imo games tend to get straightforward when there are way too cally unbluffable stations. if thats the case, villain might be after the fish's money with some weaker holdings and calling flop is mandatory. on the turn, im not sure there are that many combodraws that he would lead like this to justify shipping, im with huhu and would fold the turn
do you think its possible that villain has different gameplans for different flop scenarios and he might slow down if called by cosmo? if he is capable of turning all his weaker hands into bluffs, well props to him

Folding flop feels super weak and really dirty, but don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of my situation in calling flop. Think turn is prolly more of a standard fold than I originally thought.

Results?

he's not bluffing the turn considering ur stupid bet vs him

bluffing that turn would be too much life variance for a nit like him

^-- Jonny didn't bet at all. He's calling.

^-- you have no idea what im talking about

^-- Oh you're talking about a prop bet.

^-- huhu

isn't action DJ a huge nit?

last summer i was sitting around the wynn waiting for a seat in a 5/10 or w/e and actiondj comes up to me and this other reg and is like lets just start a 3 handed 10/20 and hope fish join

im like bleh ok fine

i raise 20 hands in a row from every position and they both fold pre every time

actiondj then sucks out a 10k pot qq vs my aa

actiondj then says 'well if no one joins in 30 mins i'm gunna leave'

I have no clue what I am talking about,

but this seems like a shove

leading on the flop is something I think he does to see where he stands vs the other guys... he knows he can't make that fish fold if it hit something.. and he knows you can't call to weak if those other guys call.

then he gets it HU vs you, no reason not to double barrell with a lot of stuff

in short I think his range is definitely wide enough here to shove

results

I would probably just fold the flop, choosing to focus on extracting value from the rec. players instead of taking one pair all in against a (presumably) very good player when stacks are semi-deep.

considering the nice unnecessary bump we demand results (hoping you shoved the turn)

i remember hearing actiondj had t9 i think or some nutterball hand

yes we need results here been too long.

On July 09 2011 22:30 YoMeR wrote: yes we need results here been too long.

No, I'm too embarassed about this hand

In a hypothetical world, I might have hypothetically called, and the river hypothetically could have been the , and he hypothetically could have checked and which point I hypothetically would have decided it was a bad idea to try and bluff therefore letting him hypothetically win with his hypothetical QJo.