blackjacki2 United States. Apr 06 2011 03:25. Posts 2581
500,000 coffins is a scary thing because if we have learned anything from history we know that any instance of mass murder or genocide is usually accompanied by making sure all the victims get a proper burial in their own coffin.
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terrybunny19240 United States. Apr 06 2011 03:36. Posts 13829
On April 06 2011 02:25 blackjacki2 wrote:
500,000 coffins is a scary thing because if we have learned anything from history we know that any instance of mass murder or genocide is usually accompanied by making sure all the victims get a proper burial in their own coffin.
yah the most rofl obvious counterpoint by far
if they were planning on needing to bury 500, 000 people so quickly that they need to stock up on coffins (rofl), they sure as hell would choose not to bury every mass murder victim in their own coffin.
It comes in steps. Why do you think there is this nation wide campaign for collecting weapons? In the 1940s after Japan's attack (Pearl Harbour), a campaign starts that goes like this - "there is a lot of hatred among the nation for japanese people, so it would be good if we separate you for some time until people calm down." This is exactly the same thing as what happened in Germany. Jews were told to board the train, that they would work in a seperate place, away from trouble (because they were demonized by Hitler and ppl hated them). They were enslaved for the rest of their lives by their Government. Where are their rights? Imagine this - a crisis happen in USA (bioterrorism, nuclear strike), the Government comes in and says that ppl should be quarantined for their own safety so they are sent to the camps. Would you go to the camps or would you rather be arrested? Don't forget, the government of the USA can kill any citizen lawfully without a trial if that citizen is considered a domestic terrorist. I'm not shitting you, there is such a law. Does that sound right to you? Isn't it way too easy to abuse? Just put a 'domestic terrorist' label on you and you are never to be heard of again. Released documents specify that the watchlist for domestic terrorist has more than doubled recently and includes people who advocate Gun Right, Ron Paul voters, any opposition of the Government, End the FED campaign and so on. Just watch the movie for better explaination!
Remember, Hitler was elected lawfully, Stalin too. Power corrupts, money buys and every generation suffers. Don't be naive. I think that the big movie i posted would give you the big picture very very well. History repeats itself.
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You should put it in context. Here is some explanation:
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Surprise United States. Apr 06 2011 08:26. Posts 275
the games you own at, end up owning you
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Apr 06 2011 08:35. Posts 5304
ugh, whenever i've tried to engage in a reasonable conversation with a conspiracy theorist about conspiracies they just shut me down. Like they've seen the truth and there's no amount of convincing that i can do to change their mind. Conspiracy theorists to me are on the same level of open mindedness as someone deep in a religion.
i think having an opinion on something shows bias. Since an opinion is formed on your own upbringing/genetics/experiences and not the entire worlds. Your own life is bias as it deviates from everyone elses life. yes, this paragraph is extremely retarded. But it bugs me that everyone seems to think they are right, be it from a highly educated background or being raised in a shithole.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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NewbSaibot United States. Apr 06 2011 09:35. Posts 4944
On April 05 2011 20:19 Baal wrote:
I dont feel like going into detail of why 911 is an obvious demolition and the evidence proves it unless you counter the evidence ive posted many times, like molten steel, like WTC 7 collapsing at gravity speed
The building collapsed from the top down. Demolitions collapse from the bottom up. The time it took for it to collapse is completely irrelevant, as it did not collapse in a manner in which controlled demolitions are initiated.
no building in history with a steel frame has ever collapsed due to fire and bulidings who have being under blazing flames for days
No building in history has ever been filled with jet fuel after being struck by a 747
or many shots flash bangs from minor explosions fractions of seconds before the building collapsed
Controlled demolitions are not initated via a series of minor explosions minutes before the demolition begins. It happens instantaneously and is incredibly loud beyond belief. The explosions necessary to trigger the chain reaction for a demolition can be seen for miles and are done in concert, not spaced out over the span of 5 minutes with the occasional bang here or there.
how the WTC architect claims the building was made specifically to sustain a full impact from the biggest plane on date with a full tank
Which was a plane much smaller than what actually hit it, so whats your point? We can build the next one to withstand a A330 airbus, but if the space shuttle crashes into it then who gives a fuck?
and how the WTC would never fall in a vertical fashion due to its central column design, if the WTC would fall for any cause, it would fall in a chaotic lateral way.
only if a controlled demolition were attempted. But since the building was demolished starting near the top, the expectation for its destruction was unforseen. But at least we know how a building of that size would collapse now if blow apart near the top.
Just knowing a little history would give you the obvious answer, the Lusitana in the first world war, hitler lighting the parlament on fire actually i can think at leas of 6 incidents where leaders have attacked their own people to incite a war.
Those wars served fundamental purposes and had the intended effect of their architects. You'd have to be the biggest fucking idiot on the planet to go to all this effort to start a measly little random war in the middle east which proved wholly worthless and just wasted our own time and money, which anyone and everyone could have predicted who were involved in any such conspiracy in the first place. Much easier ways to trick the population into a war other than the worlds most complicated conspiracy.
Let's not derail the thread please.
"Those wars served fundamental purposes and had the intended effect of their architects. You'd have to be the biggest fucking idiot on the planet to go to all this effort to start a measly little random war in the middle east which proved wholly worthless and just wasted our own time and money, which anyone and everyone could have predicted who were involved in any such conspiracy in the first place. Much easier ways to trick the population into a war other than the worlds most complicated conspiracy."
Go to google and learn more about False Flag Operations please. It's a well-known military strategy used for centuries. On another note, you admit that the war was proven worthless and wasted your money. Well, yes it wasted the taxpayers' money. So what's the problem? The Federal Reserve (private bank) sponsored your Government to go to war and is now going to collect everything they gave but with interest. They sure didn't lose a dime, and will surely fill their pockets with cash. The war surely did not waste their time either. They didn't go to the Middle East, several hundred thousand taxpayers went there and lost their time or life. If you believe that controlling the oil fields world wide serves no purpose to anyone, you have to be the dumbest motherfucker to ever live on this planet.
To get back on topic. Why depopulation? First, you should realise that there is a consensus that people are way too much. So you should either kill people or make changes in a way that most people don't have kids or have only 1. You can't just ask people to not have kids, cause people love kids. Now, i think we have all heard on TV these discussions on human overgrowth. Even here in Bulgaria, where we have negative birth rate (ppl get fewer and fewer). In other words, there is media campaign, propaganda that has to convince people that we are way too many. In order for you to believe it, authority figures come up and speak on the topic. But they aren't going to tell you - "we are gonna kill ya!" You have to read between the lines.
Watch this short clip please.
How do you think would the equation be solved? Pay attention to the last 30 seconds.
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On April 05 2011 20:24 D_smart_S wrote:
If you ask yourself why they debunk every theory, especially the obvious 9/11 inside job, you would come to the conclusion that they are simply bought by the Government.
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On April 05 2011 20:44 Baal wrote:
On April 05 2011 20:24 D_smart_S wrote:
Seems like you didn't understand what I mean. I know 9/11 was an inside job. I just said that you showing me an article from Popular Mechanics debunking FEMA camps should not be valid from your perspective as a 9/11 believer, because they have "debunked" the 9/11 conspiracy theory. If you ask yourself why they debunk every theory, especially the obvious 9/11 inside job, you would come to the conclusion that they are simply bought by the Government.
I am not a conspiracy theorists despise what some idiots want to think, im a rationalist and i believe what the evidence and logic dictates me and i try not to be biased and keep emotion out of it, unlike people who believe the government wouldnt be capable of demolishing the twin towers despise history showing that they have done the same thing in the past, those people are not objective and deluded by their own emotions and irrational beliefs.
everyone thinks they are a rationalist who justifys all their views logically w/o bias, kent hovid uses his logic to come to the conclusion that the world is 6k yrs old, Bill Kaysing uses his logic to dictate we never landed on the moon, my mom uses her logic to think jfk and oswald were both killed by the cia, Dan Crain uses evidence he has to say that he worked on alien viruses in area 51, some ppl use whatever logic skills they have to think amygdalin cures cancer...a very small amount of ppl ever think anything that they admit is completely illogical, everyone justifys their beliefs with some form of logic without what they think is any biased.
i'm not even sure wtf ur talking about w/ the rms lusitania as being the gov't hurting it's own ppl. Germany torpedoed it because it was carrying ammunition and supplies. R u talking bout the gov't using a civilian ship to carry munitions thinking germany wouldn't attack a ship w/ civilians on it and that's what u mean by a gov't hurting it's own ppl? Or do you think the US or British gov't sank the ship and then blamed it on the germans?
EDIT: gonna clarify something you are a conspiracy theorist by definition (you advocate at least 1 conspiracy theory), you are not a nutjob, there's a major difference.
No there is no such thing as "personal logic", they dont use reason and evidence to pursue the truth, they try to rationalize with flawed thinking their illogical beliefs, evidence points out an earth way older than 6k years, there are no studies that provide documented evidence that amygdalin cures cancer, evidence and logic points out that JFK was assasinated by the government, i thought that was considered the consensus by now lol, wow some people are deluded.
About the Lusitana, the ship was put in danger on purpose sent to be sunken by the Germans to gain popular support against them, and it worked.
The Germans declared that sea a war zone, and claimed they would sink any ship on sight, the Lusitana was a very well known ship, it was issued many warnings that it shouldnt sail, so many that its regular capitain refused to navigate it, the Lusitana despite all warnings from many papers sailed into warzone and it was obviously sunk by a german submarine.
"The sinking turned public opinion in many countries against Germany, contributed to the American entry into World War I and became an iconic symbol in recruiting campaigns of why the war was being fought" - Wikipedia. How convenient isnt it?.
Oh and you might not be aware of this but also there were 2 Mexican ships sunken in the gulf of mexico supposedly by a German submarine which led to mexico support the war (mostly through oil trade with USA), yes you heard that right, German submarines sinking neutral ships across the atlantic ocean... right.
The building collapsed from the top down. Demolitions collapse from the bottom up. The time it took for it to collapse is completely irrelevant, as it did not collapse in a manner in which controlled demolitions are initiated.
That is not true, you havent even seen the video it seems as the WTC7 clearly falls from bottom up, also the time it takes to collapse its VERY relevant dumbass, a building with intact steel structure and columns should not fall at the same speed as a building that has its columns pulverized as they dont offer resistance.
No building in history has ever been filled with jet fuel after being struck by a 747
WTC 7 was not hit by a jet, it had minor fires, the FEMA reported those fires as being the main reason of its collapse.
Controlled demolitions are not initated via a series of minor explosions minutes before the demolition begins. It happens instantaneously and is incredibly loud beyond belief. The explosions necessary to trigger the chain reaction for a demolition can be seen for miles and are done in concert, not spaced out over the span of 5 minutes with the occasional bang here or there.
You dont need all the explosions to be that simultaneos, i can show you demolitions where explosions go off for over a minute, they are just done that way because its more efficient and concealing it is being demolished is not a priority, on the WTC concealing it it was so obviously its not going to be demolished in a standard fashion.
Which was a plane much smaller than what actually hit it, so whats your point? We can build the next one to withstand a A330 airbus, but if the space shuttle crashes into it then who gives a fuck?
It was not much smaller, it was barely smaller, also after 9/11 he said that the WTC would never fall from those crashes.
Those wars served fundamental purposes and had the intended effect of their architects. You'd have to be the biggest fucking idiot on the planet to go to all this effort to start a measly little random war in the middle east which proved wholly worthless and just wasted our own time and money, which anyone and everyone could have predicted who were involved in any such conspiracy in the first place. Much easier ways to trick the population into a war other than the worlds most complicated conspiracy.
It is a waste of tax payers money, but the Iraqui/Afghan war are extremely profitable to many people, for startes oiling companies like Exxon who are currently drilling in Iraq, and also removing a hostile dictator sitting on a lot of oil giving the finger to the USA is quite convenient.
the public would have never agreed to go into two (and maybe more) wars without being "attacked", its standar procedure as i said:
If history should have taught us anything by now is that fear runs wild in peoples hearts and they wont challenge their leaders, the stockholm syndrome is very powerful and we wonder "how could the german population support that war?", "how could people live under the kings foot without every revolting?" and are unable to see their own truth, that they are no better and live in the same exact delusion.
People need to understand human nature, that only wicked people pursue power, and nothing corrupts more than power, its only then, when we have a natural mistrust for people with positions of power that we will be free of them, as long as weak hope lets you believe that an honest good hearted guy managed to climb to the top of the world in a mountain of snakes you will be a slave, no shining knight is at the top of that mountain of snakes, that place only belongs to the biggest snake.
The collapse of building 7 before it happened
If you would argue, that it's another building, go and search on related videos and compare the buildings around WTC7 and you will see the standing building is WTC7 indeed.
This is the future-knowing-reporter talking about it
"baal, why do you think they used airplanes at all? If they bombed down WTC, why bother with the planes?" - because the official story has to be believable. Moreover, such huge buildings can come down only by controlled demolition, which needs weeks of preparation and security access. If there were no planes and the official story is "al quaeda had put controlled demolition in the buildings" then ppl would start question how is it possible that they were granted access, when there are security guards and they need weeks for planting bombs and engineers and specialists and tons of explosives. It's way more believable to say "extremists took the planes and crashed them into the buildings and so they fell". There is no logic flaw in such a official story from people's perspective because most people are not experts to know physics that well.
"People need to understand human nature, that only wicked people pursue power, and nothing corrupts more than power, its only then, when we have a natural mistrust for people with positions of power that we will be free of them, as long as weak hope lets you believe that an honest good hearted guy managed to climb to the top of the world in a mountain of snakes you will be a slave, no shining knight is at the top of that mountain of snakes, that place only belongs to the biggest snake."
That is very true indeed. People in countries like Bulgaria are more prone to look into conspiracies like these because we experience government rape day in and day out. People know that the Government wants every bit of penny you have. People in the west or USA are generally happier with their lives and they see the bright side of life so it's hard to show them the dark side of the world. There is this mental block, which occurs when new information contradicts with your opinion and knowledge of the world. It's like a foreign object in your body, and the body rejects it as a natural response.
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palak United States. Apr 06 2011 11:46. Posts 4601
No there is no such thing as "personal logic", they dont use reason and evidence to pursue the truth, they try to rationalize with flawed thinking their illogical beliefs, evidence points out an earth way older than 6k years, there are no studies that provide documented evidence that amygdalin cures cancer, evidence and logic points out that JFK was assasinated by the government, i thought that was considered the consensus by now lol, wow some people are deluded.
there's a lot of scientific studies n such that say the earth is only 6k yrs old....50-70% depending on the poll think jfk was a cover up, but no one agrees on who the hell did the cover up, mob, cia, cubans, fed, lbj, soviet union, israel...also there really isn't reliable evidence that there was a cover-up or second shooter, grassy knoll doesn't provide a shot and there is no physical evidence in any film or in the autopsy that jfk was hit from a bullet from anywhere but oswald, the magic bullet crap is because ppl don't know where ppl were sitting in the car.
as for lusitania we pretty much agree, i think it was more the gov't using civilians as a human shield to put germany in a catch 22 situation, but not much of a difference
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
On April 06 2011 10:18 auffenpuffer wrote:
baal, why do you think they used airplanes at all? If they bombed down WTC, why bother with the planes?
I dont have a way to know this for sure, if you want my opinion is because it arises less questioning, many would be in stronger disbelief of explosives planed in the building with security staff watching over it, also i think its a much better way to spread panic, a calculated demolition isnt as good to spread fear than random flights being hijacked and used as missiles that can target anywhere, any time, people start to wonder where they could hit, and if their plane might be hijacked, just see at TSA and see how afraid people of flights that that they are tolerating having their kids strip searched and their boobs squeezed by strangers.
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blackjacki2 United States. Apr 06 2011 11:53. Posts 2581
Since the twin towers and building 7 collapse differently, are you that only building 7 was a controlled demolition or that both were and they just decided to use different methods?
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NewbSaibot United States. Apr 06 2011 11:56. Posts 4944
My bad on confusing WTC 7 with WTC 1/2, wasnt paying attention to the number. Despite the fact that WTC 7 collapsed in a traditional demolished manner, it still does not dissuade from the fact that WTC 1/2 most certainly did NOT collapse like this. Coupled with the fact that building demolitions require explosives which may tremendous noise, much more so than the infrequent and subtle noises heard by witnesses, there is no reason to believe a conspiracy to knock it down took place.
As someone already mentioned, why go to all this hassle and use airplanes, which many skeptics would find unusual and only arous conspiracy theorists worldwide, when a simple 2nd shot of explosions in the basement would do the same trick and be much more plausible when pawned off to the public? Who's great idea was it to say "hey, lets make this as difficult as possible, and use the one thing that the building was specifically designed against!"?
On top of that, we can clearly see the first two towers initiate their collapse precisely where the planes struck. So that would require explosives to be planted in that location, the location that 2 jumbo jets are scheduled to fly into, so that the collapse is believable. So you're telling me that those planes were perfectly coordinated to fly into the exact location where explosives were previously planted, and when those planes smashed into the building at 300mph or so, that the explosives survive this impact for 45 minutes before finally being detonated. And that when they were ultimately detonated, they made certain to do give as much time as humanely possible for every single video camera in the city to be observing, producing as much evidence as anyone could ask for, so that the whole world could study and observe the moment of destruction for decades to come? Thats like committing a bank robbery in broad daylight, but first calling the cops to let you know you're there, calling every news outlet so they can arrive to film it, and then sitting in the bank for over half an hour before you even begin putting money in the bag. Was the gov't just fucking showing off at this point or something?
And despite whatever demolitions you have where explosives are spread out over a certain amount of time, there is always a final act. You dont just blast a few key points, sit back for half an hour, and like a tree it just gradually starts to give way and collapses on its own. It still requires significant explosive force to initiate the collapse, the kind which cant be concealed, especially for something as massive as a 100 story building.
On April 06 2011 10:53 blackjacki2 wrote:
Since the twin towers and building 7 collapse differently, are you that only building 7 was a controlled demolition or that both were and they just decided to use different methods?
The 3 collapsed in a vertical way at gravity speed, something extremely rarely seen in collapsing buildings that are not demolished since the steel beams and columns present resistance and make the building fall sideways, or only parts of it fall etc:
