On April 06 2011 14:28 Zep wrote:
Baal you purposefully avoid certain evidence regarding 9/11 to make the conclusions that you make. So glad the site debunking 9/11 exists. But you seriously look at 25% of the puzzle and you think you've solved it. Look at the entire scope of what you're saying. Don't just support evidence that concludes what you want to hear. Stop being an investigative journalist with a story to write and start being a scientist who uses evidence to draw up conclusion. You disagree with over 90% of mechanical engineers in the united states. I'm not saying that 10% shouldn't have been enough to start an investigation, but it does mean that you are probably wrong. Anyways here are 2 direct links to the debunking 9/11 site that have pages and pages and pages of info that crush your conspiracy theories, read and enjoy!
Well, im pretty sure believing in the official story disagrees with over 90% of the mechanical engineers in Iran too. Why is that relevant ?
I mean, if a mechanical engineer goes out and says his honest opinion he might get fired in U.S right ?
Can't be fired legally. A person in US can not be fired due to beliefs.
If a person came out and said they thought 9/11 was a conspiracy and then could prove they were fired due to prejudice from that belief they could/would file a wrongful termination lawsuit against their former employee and would be paid all the money they should have been paid if they were still working plus "emotional damanges" which could easily total in the millions.
Also say that 15% of mechanial engineers, architechs, and civil engineers think it was a conspiracy but are to scared they will lose their jobs...that would still only make it 16% of those professions think it was a cover up.
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I read about NORAD stand down, I read about repeated lies by the media. I read about warnings to top officials not to fly on 9/11. I read about insurance collected from the WTT collapses, I read about gold that comes up missing post collapse and no one questions it. I read about confiscated videos and tapes that are then never released. I read about revealing quotes from top officials. I read about the official list of hijackers and how UTTERLY FULL OF SHIT it is. I see how we go into the middle east but never catch osama bin laden, yet we can get plenty of interviews/videos from him right? I read about stock movements just prior to 9/11. The list goes on and on man
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Baal answer that Mexican ship sinking question, I really wanna know what war and when..there's gotta be a wiki on it.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
He is talking about a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that is not in sight. "covert means", "subvresion instead of elections", "infiltration instead of invasion". Conspiracy that has gone as far as having tremendous influence in "military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations". What he describes is nothing like Communism. He is saying "we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy". Not in America, around the world. Please don't make JFK ashamed in his grave. He was the last true President of the United States and he wanted warn his people, that's all. He said it himself - his words shouldn't be interpreted, they are as clear as they can get. Guys, this is the clearest evidence that something is wrong in the USA. JFK spoke and died. Please, don't be bli
Could you please read the whole speech in context?
I know that what he says is insane in context of communism, but people had a tendency to be insane about communism in that day and age in the USA. Communism indeed was viewed to use infiltrators (and the Soviet Union of course did too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alger_Hiss). Communism certainly was a world wide movement with third of the worlds population living under self-described (not actual obv) communist rule. Around the world the communists supposedly worked to take over (or of course they really did work for a socialist revolution, it just was not a conspiracy of the kind fantasied by US propaganda), like in Vietnam or European countries.
Also notice that he is holding the speech on the purpose of asking the journalists to impose self-censorship on US policies. That hardly sounds like a last great President who goes at war with hidden conspiracy.
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."
Seems a standard 70s description of the Soviet Union?
Reading threads like this one just makes me sad and angry but for some reason I just cant keep away. How is it that people with really no fucking clue always have so much opinions on everything.
D_smart who is running this 50+ year old superconspiracy concering the kennedy assasination 9/11, vaccines etcetc? Who is pulling the trings and to what purpose?
Contrary to what you are doing palak is backing his claims up with facts, reasoning, logic and sources. You just post youtube videos of other nutjobs claiming retarded things.
it's obviously the ILLUMINATI which operates using the Bilderberger group. They are a worldwide conspiracy of bankers that are planning to unite the world under one government, probably using United Nations for that purpose. This group has been watching over everything for the last 150 years or so, and all steps that have been taken towards international integration on that time are part of a process of this small elite taking over the world.
There's also a religious twist: they are satanists too (freemasonry is somehow connected), and once the world is united under one rule (the UN) they will impose rules described in the Book of Revelation and Satan himself will come to rule the world.
btw, this New World Order comes remarkably close the "jewish-bolsheviks-conspiracy" of the Nazis, it's just that A. Jones avoids the J-word. Everything is in there: the international bankers, the communists (who were part of the plan according to Alex Jones), the satanic tendencies etc.
Actually lets try to get D_smart to back something up for a change. Give me one fact that palak "pulled out of his ass". Meaning a fact that just isnt true and that he made up. Post one reliable source(preferably more but that would be to much to ask from someone at an already staggering intellectual disadvantage.) proving that palak just pulled this fact out of his ass. Can you do that?
what wackass site is this nigga?
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palak United States. Apr 07 2011 11:23. Posts 4601
On April 07 2011 10:14 auffenpuffer wrote:
lol saki how do you not know it?
it's obviously the ILLUMINATI which operates using the Bilderberger group. They are a worldwide conspiracy of bankers that are planning to unite the world under one government, probably using United Nations for that purpose. This group has been watching over everything for the last 150 years or so, and all steps that have been taken towards international integration on that time are part of a process of this small elite taking over the world.
There's also a religious twist: they are satanists too (freemasonry is somehow connected), and once the world is united under one rule (the UN) they will impose rules described in the Book of Revelation and Satan himself will come to rule the world.
btw, this New World Order comes remarkably close the "jewish-bolsheviks-conspiracy" of the Nazis, it's just that A. Jones avoids the J-word. Everything is in there: the international bankers, the communists (who were part of the plan according to Alex Jones), the satanic tendencies etc.
that might be one of the funniest grand conspiracy theories i have ever read.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
And "Foucault's Pendulum", a classic by Umberto Eco. It's about three friends who run a vanity press publishing books by foliohats. On their spare time they start making up their own conspiracy to explain everything, which the foliohats mistake for a real one. Albeit only funny tho if you are well read into the conspiracy scene, but for our own conspiracytheorists here at lp it might give some perspective on things.
Palak the really funny thing is that that's afaik a fair description of what the people at prisonplanet actually believe
btw a good example of the absurdity of anti-nwo movement is a thread I found: the Alex Jones fans are divided on the issue on if Zeitgeist is after all a plot by the Illuminati or if it's a genuine movement http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64631.0
"Zeitgeist Addendum - Theosophy, Socialism, and The new NWO: Weird Illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist"
some pages down the road, he said stg like 90% of all engineers think that the towers have fallen due to the fires/planes. Then Baal said he was pulling facts straight off his ass. That's the one out-of-the-ass-pulling i am presenting and proving. Almost everything he has said in this thread is wrong, but i am not gonna disprove 6 pages, too long.
So SakiSaki, u are a green star, answer two questions, okay? Just two. Prove me how green-smart you are. If you can't, please shut up for eternity on this thread, okay?
How is it possible that the collapse of WTC7 is reported live on TV, before it collapsed (the building behind the reporter's head)? Maybe time and space curved in a way so that actually it happened after the collapse but it's an optical illusion? Answer this one question in a way that explains it without supernatural idiotic logic.
and the second is - how is it possible that William Cooper, who I am sure nobody knows for obvious reasons, predicted in his radio show predicts 9/11 3 weeks before the attacks. This is irrefutable, undeniable fact! The show is broadcasted live on 6/28/2001, it's called The Hour or Our Time
Answer those two, smartass.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
d_smart do you seriously imagine they sent out scripts to publishing houses beforehand if they are going to commit a treason and kill 5000 Americans? Really? The scripts say: "report that WTC-7 has collapsed". it's important to tell it beforehand to journalists, BECAUSE OTHERWISE NO ONE WOULD REPORT THAT WTC-7 HAS COLLAPSED LOLOLOLOLOLOL
palak United States. Apr 07 2011 11:35. Posts 4601
wow my friends ex-roommate thought interstelar vampire bats riding solar winds were goin to swoop down onto earth in 2012 and cause the zombie apocolypse. That the govts of the world knew this and were secretly planning escapes for the rich....no lie serious belief, he started stock piling food and ammunition
If it wasnt for him the ppl at prison planet would have the most hilarious awesome conspiracy theories
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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palak United States. Apr 07 2011 11:38. Posts 4601
some pages down the road, he said stg like 90% of all engineers think that the towers have fallen due to the fires/planes. Then Baal said he was pulling facts straight off his ass. That's the one out-of-the-ass-pulling i am presenting and proving. Almost everything he has said in this thread is wrong, but i am not gonna disprove 6 pages, too long.
So SakiSaki, u are a green star, answer one question, okay? Just one. Prove me how green-smart you are. If you can't, please shut up for eternity on this thread, okay?
How is it possible that the collapse of WTC7 is reported live on TV, before it collapsed (the building behind the reporter's head)? Maybe time and space curved in a way so that actually it happened after the collapse but it's an optical illusion? Answer this one question in a way that explains it without supernatural idiotic logic.
That was Zep not me. Zep then later backed up his initial claim while admitting he had made the 90% number up. Were u really to lazy to go back and read? So now news reporters are in on the conspiracy? How many people were in on this 9/11 conspiracy of urs?
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
okay, found one from your highness
"also there really isn't reliable evidence that there was a cover-up or second shooter". - palak about JFK.
Saki, official story is that a guy named Oswald shot him from the back. Go and watch the shooting. That should be enough to spark your interest to find the Dallas doctors who examined JFK after the shooting, they all said that the shot is from the right front.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On April 07 2011 10:32 D_smart_S wrote:
some pages down the road, he said stg like 90% of all engineers think that the towers have fallen due to the fires/planes. Then Baal said he was pulling facts straight off his ass. That's the one out-of-the-ass-pulling i am presenting and proving. Almost everything he has said in this thread is wrong, but i am not gonna disprove 6 pages, too long.
So SakiSaki, u are a green star, answer two questions, okay? Just two. Prove me how green-smart you are. If you can't, please shut up for eternity on this thread, okay?
How is it possible that the collapse of WTC7 is reported live on TV, before it collapsed (the building behind the reporter's head)? Maybe time and space curved in a way so that actually it happened after the collapse but it's an optical illusion? Answer this one question in a way that explains it without supernatural idiotic logic.
and the second is - how is it possible that William Cooper, who I am sure nobody knows for obvious reasons, predicted in his radio show predicts 9/11 3 weeks before the attacks. This is irrefutable, undeniable fact! The show is broadcasted live on 6/28/2001, it's called The Hour or Our Time
Answer those two, smartass.
Oh god. I knew you would struggle with this one and I knew I would get a laugh out of this but you really exceded my expectations. First off, "baal said so" is not proof, nor is it a source nor is it anything. I want a source, not some other nutsjobs opinion I though I made that clear.
On to the videos then shall we?
Dont really know what you are proposing with that first video but Im just going to assume you think the newsreporters where actually also part of the conspiracy? Lets consider two scenarios and see which one you think is more likely to be true.
Scenario A: It was a really caotic day in manhattan, the salomon brothers building was about to collapse and the reporters where missinformed hearing that it already had collapsed when it infact hadnt yet.
Scenario B: The bbc newsreporters where actually in on the conspiracy! Since they where in on it its safe to say most if not all news reporting agencies from around the world where also in on it. Also, the stream got cut off and that was definitely done on purpose since the reporter went to far ahead in the already planned schedual so the technicians managing the stream where also in on it. This means that the people in on the conspiracy where not just the hundreds if not thousands of people needed to pull this off, there where also several hundred reporters and technicians from all around the world also in on it. Also, the people behind 9/11 just knew that blowing up the twin towers just wont be enough to swing the public opinion in the right direction. They also needed to do a controlled demolition of the solomon building, and they HAD to let the news agencies from around the world in on this aswell cause god knows what could happen otherwise.
Second video: I dont know if we saw the same video here. He didnt predict anything at all. Osama bin laden said in an interview that he will attack america or w/e, and that guy on the radio show said that people shouldnt believe that osama bin laden was behind any upcoming attacks. How is that predicting 9/11? LOL
On April 07 2011 10:46 D_smart_S wrote:
okay, found one from your highness
"also there really isn't reliable evidence that there was a cover-up or second shooter". - palak about JFK.
Saki, official story is that a guy named Oswald shot him from the back. Go and watch the shooting. That should be enough to spark your interest to find the Dallas doctors who examined JFK after the shooting, they all said that the shot is from the right front.
nonononono you are doing it again. You do this ALL THE TIME and its really anoying. Dont make me do your work for you sir. I asked you for a source, ONE SOURCE and twice you fail to deliver. Dont tell me to go "look it up". I want you to provide me with a credible link that refutes the statement "there isnt reliable evidence that there was a cover-up or a second shooter". You cant make outrageous claims and when asked to back them up simply say "google it yourself".
Fuck you, I asked for one fucking source is it really that hard? Is the problem that you dont have any sources to back up your claims or are you just lazy? Im still waiting...
On April 05 2011 19:23 Baal wrote:
This is bullshit and its a shame because of things like these real conspiracies (911) are overlooked.
Those are not coffins, those are grave liners, coffins dont go alone in the dirt,t hey use liners (concrete or plastic), so when the wood rots, the coffin wont collapse and creating a hole in the graveyard.
Yeah my bullshit conspiracy is better than your bullshit conspiracy. Actually Baal you're just both stupid enough to believe ridiculous conspiracy theories which have been completely debunked time and time again by people with actual knowledge. Maybe you should google how conspiracy theories get formed and you'd actually figure out you've gone wrong in exactly the same way OP did. Roflmao if you watched loose change and your life was changed hahahahah!
SakiSaki, U.S government has every real evidence there is (And even destroyed some of it). They investigated themself like the they did twice with the JFK. No one can really PROVE that JFK was a conspiracy, but most people with half a brain could put the pieces together - the official story doesnt make any sense. Thereby the therm "magic bullet".
Where do you expect us to get real evidence from ? Calling american government and asking them to let them out from Hangar 16 ?
What is even worse? The official 9/11 story cant be proven.
FBI: "We have NO HARD EVIDENCE connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11". Doesnt that seem a bit strange to you ?!
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