NewbSaibot United States. Apr 07 2011 13:28. Posts 4944
Yay, JFK conspiracy. I definitely dont know enough about this one to debate, however I do recall watching a Mythbusters episode or something where they basically recreated the entire event, even using a dummy filled with the material equivalent of a human brain, shot it from a multitude of angles, and showed that the angle from which Oswald shot was the only angle that could reproduce his death as recorded and documented. In fact, the Oswald recreation produced a shot that was near 100% the same as how JFK was really shot, with the direction and quantities of brain matter in almost exactly the same places, and even the manner in which his head moved backwards.
Plus, anyone with a lick of common sense knows that the exit wound of a bullet is always larger than the entry wound, and JFK's head clearly explodes from the front, indicating the bullet entered through the back.
Saki, check the official page of FBI to see if Meyde is lying to you.
'Scenario A: It was a really caotic day in manhattan, the salomon brothers building was about to collapse and the reporters where missinformed hearing that it already had collapsed when it infact hadnt yet.' smart SakiSaki
I have yet to hear another person rationalizing prior knowledge of a building collapse 20 minutes before it happened, when the official story is that the flames made the building collapse. Read the sentence again and tell me u r not brainwashed :D. Oh, this chaotic day in Manhattan :D. How convenient.
I am not saying the reporter knew anything. She is reading from auto-Q. Those who wrote what she will say, however, evidently knew the future for some reason. But, that is not strange at all, right? Doesn't raise any questions? People have been predicting the future for centuries hahaha.
Do not evade my other point - how did bill cooper predict 9/11 on 6/28/2001 in his radio show? He was shot dead at his home 3 months later. No coincidense, of course.
JFK proof that official story is complete and utter BS:
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On April 07 2011 12:31 D_smart_S wrote:
Saki, check the official page of FBI to see if Meyde is lying to you.
'Scenario A: It was a really caotic day in manhattan, the salomon brothers building was about to collapse and the reporters where missinformed hearing that it already had collapsed when it infact hadnt yet.' smart SakiSaki
I have yet to hear another person rationalizing prior knowledge of a building collapse 20 minutes before it happened, when the official story is that the flames made the building collapse. Read the sentence again and tell me u r not brainwashed :D. Oh, this chaotic day in Manhattan :D. How convenient.
I am not saying the reporter knew anything. She is reading from auto-Q. Those who wrote what she will say, however, evidently knew the future for some reason. But, that is not strange at all, right? Doesn't raise any questions? People have been predicting building collapses for centuries hahaha.
Do not evade my other point - how did bill cooper predict 9/11 on 6/28/2001 in his radio show? He was shot dead at his home 3 months later. No coincidense, of course.
JFK proof that official story is complete and utter BS:
First off all, you STILL havent provided ONE link showing that palak is "pulling facts out of his ass" so im still waiting...
As for the BBC thing, you are an idiot. The building was evacuated because it was risking a collapse. "HOW COULD THEY KNOW THAT?? HOW CAN THEY KNOW THE FUTURE!?!?!?!??!?! HOW CAN THEY KNOW THAT A BURNING BUILDING MIGHT COLLAPSE!?"
And she is not reading from auto-q you fucking moron its a live report you are so lol.
Let me ask you this, when the conspirators where planning 9/11 and decided to include reporters from around the world in it, how did they first go about aproaching them? How did they know who to ask so to make sure the story didnt leak? I mean, if you just send an email to a reporter saying "hey man this is the government of the united states. We are planning to blow up the world trade center after running two passenger planes into the towers and kill 5000 innocent americans. Would you be interested in participating in this? Yes? No? Maybe later?" All it takes is one guy not liking the sound of mass murder and the plan will collapse. What you are claiming is absolutely ridicilous how can you not see that?
WHHYYYYYYYYYYY WOULD THEY FUCKING INCLUDE REPORTERS IN THE CONSPIRACY!?!?!? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? WHAT?
I talked about your other point. He didnt predict 9/11 I dont know why you say that. Please point out the sentence/sentences that make up the prediction please.
I read about NORAD stand down, I read about repeated lies by the media. I read about warnings to top officials not to fly on 9/11. I read about insurance collected from the WTT collapses, I read about gold that comes up missing post collapse and no one questions it. I read about confiscated videos and tapes that are then never released. I read about revealing quotes from top officials. I read about the official list of hijackers and how UTTERLY FULL OF SHIT it is. I see how we go into the middle east but never catch osama bin laden, yet we can get plenty of interviews/videos from him right? I read about stock movements just prior to 9/11. The list goes on and on man
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REALLY? REALLY??????
most of this is common knowledge to anyone who has done even a fucking ounce of research on the matter and you're going to make me find links to it all?
the norad stand down may not have actually been a stand down but the fact is norad let those planes fly into the WTT and the pentagon and whatever the excuse is it's a rather large coincidence don't you think? I mean how often are planes hijacked and attempted to fly into buildings. but the one time it does happen norad is too busy/confused to stop it. personally I think there was a stand down as the alternative (war games confusion) is fucking ridiculous. this doesn't need a link, it's a fact. norad didn't stop the jets.
NORAD, responsible for intercepting errant aircraft over the U.S., has a standard operating procedure for scrambling planes for interception which takes less than 15 minutes
They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 and and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001.
Yet, on September 11th, they failed to do their job 4 times in a single day:
actually im done. i was gonna find links for the other stuff but anything i post is gonna be undermined, the source credibility is going to be called into questioned rather than any attempt to verify being made. if you want to know if there is any credibility to this stuff then do research yourself, I really don't give a shit.
WTC7 is all anyone should ever need to know about to suspect there is some sort of conspiracy.
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
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palak United States. Apr 07 2011 14:18. Posts 4601
Honestly asdf i just didnt feel like doin the research since im busy today. But whatever later tonight ill give my two cents on the things u posted reading about and this whole jfk conspiracy stuff.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
On April 07 2011 10:09 SakiSaki wrote:
Reading threads like this one just makes me sad and angry but for some reason I just cant keep away. How is it that people with really no fucking clue always have so much opinions on everything.
D_smart who is running this 50+ year old superconspiracy concering the kennedy assasination 9/11, vaccines etcetc? Who is pulling the trings and to what purpose?
Hahaha funny you should post this. I had a post written out that was almost the same and was just like, "Why bother?". I can't believe some of the biggest fucking clowns on this forum who have low levels of education, life accomplishments and intelligence think they have cracked the fucking code of conspiracy theories. What gives some of these people the delusional view that they are qualified structural engineers, metallurgists etc or can even grasp those concepts/knowledge based on nothing in there lives is lol. The way some of you morons throw around beliefs as if they were fact is fucking ludicrous.
I will apologies to anyone who has a relevant degree or life experience etc to do with any of these subjects. Just post up your qualifications. ie/ if you've studied architecture for 20 years because it's your passion then hey you probably know some shit about building and I'll apologise. Oh and lifelong study of 'conspiracy theories' doesn't count or watching CSI every other night.
Go ahead Baal, d_smart_ and asdf I am calling you all out.
Dude, all you need is a brain to think. You can check everything to its source and find if it is true or not. I don't want anyone to believe me. I am not an authority figure. Evidence has no authority! You should look at the evidence, learn about the process of determining whether or not its valuable or false and then decide for yourself. If I tell you I am homeless, but I am supporting the same theory supported by Ph. D's, successful engeneers, and intellectuals, then how does that change the evidence? Ofcourse, now u are arguing with me, but if I was Ron Paul (supports 100% of my story), and I present you with the same evidence, nothing has changed. I am posting vids and clips many of them containing authority figures, official documents examined, experts interviewed. So it is not like I am pulling things out of my ass. Arguing with me is the same as arguing with those on my side. Don't believe me. Just think and come to conclusions but only after reasearching. This thread is a small piece of all the evidence on the topics.
I am not going to reveal anything about myself unless I want to. I don't see any benefit for me doing so as of now.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
On April 07 2011 10:09 SakiSaki wrote:
Reading threads like this one just makes me sad and angry but for some reason I just cant keep away. How is it that people with really no fucking clue always have so much opinions on everything.
D_smart who is running this 50+ year old superconspiracy concering the kennedy assasination 9/11, vaccines etcetc? Who is pulling the trings and to what purpose?
Hahaha funny you should post this. I had a post written out that was almost the same and was just like, "Why bother?". I can't believe some of the biggest fucking clowns on this forum who have low levels of education, life accomplishments and intelligence think they have cracked the fucking code of conspiracy theories. What gives some of these people the delusional view that they are qualified structural engineers, metallurgists etc or can even grasp those concepts/knowledge based on nothing in there lives is lol. The way some of you morons throw around beliefs as if they were fact is fucking ludicrous.
I will apologies to anyone who has a relevant degree or life experience etc to do with any of these subjects. Just post up your qualifications. ie/ if you've studied architecture for 20 years because it's your passion then hey you probably know some shit about building and I'll apologise. Oh and lifelong study of 'conspiracy theories' doesn't count or watching CSI every other night.
Go ahead Baal, d_smart_ and asdf I am calling you all out.
"I can't believe some of the biggest fucking clowns on this forum who have low levels of education, life accomplishments and intelligence"
HU ?
Too be honest im just having fun with the conspiracy thing, I dont really give a fuck :D
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blackjacki2 United States. Apr 07 2011 17:07. Posts 2581
On April 07 2011 12:48 D_smart_S wrote:
Anyone who can think please comment on my 2 videos of JFK + the reporter + Bill Cooper predicts 9/11?
Why did you ignore my post on page 5 where I commented on one of your stupid videos? Are you just going to spam youtube conspiracy videos like you are proving a point or do you care to stand behind the message of your videos? Please tell us about Bill Gates plan to sterilize people with vaccines.
On April 07 2011 11:29 VanDerMeyde wrote:
U.S government has every real evidence there is
You are the type of person that ruined the word 'conspiracy' and made it mean 'conspiracy where the conspirators are of supernatural or superhuman cunning or power'.
For that I hate you.
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palak United States. Apr 07 2011 20:09. Posts 4601
For d_smart
And example of how conspiracy books use evidence selectively can be found in an account written on the day of the assassination by Dr. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins. The account says the wound was "occipital" and that "cerebellum" protruded from the wound. Both of these statements imply that the back of the head was blown out. Yet the account says the wound was to the "right side of the head" and that it was "temporal" (which means the side of the head). Guess which statements conspiracy books tell their readers about, and which they withhold?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm The single bullet works out fine (see link to wiki below). More stuff on the Kennedy headwound http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/head.htm evidence clearly shows the top right of the presidents skull being blow out which is consistent with the entry point of the single bullet fired from Oswald.
Analysis of the Zapruder does not give any evidence of a bullet striking the president from the front. It does however show evidence of a bullet striking the president in the back of the head
Thus we expect a bursting head to show at least two separate movements. The first must be in the direction of the bullet, the second probably opposite to it. (Specifics of any movements beyond the first are difficult or impossible to predict, however.) In fact, JFK’s head did move twice—first briefly forward (the "snap", then backward (the "lurch". The quick forward motion proves that the killing shot came from the rear. The rearward motion was likely some combination of jet effect and a neuromuscular stiffening of the back muscles, which together straightened him up and threw him backward.
Could the rearward lurch have been the result of a second bullet, from the front, as implied in JFK? No, for several reasons: (1) There was only one set of wounds to the head, a tiny entrance wound in the rear and a larger exit wound on the right side/rear. (2) There is only one pattern of lead fragments in the head—a cone fanning out from the rear entrance wound to the side exit wound. (3) There was no second diffuse cloud of tissue and large fragments, as created by the first hit. (4) There was no damage to the left hemisphere of JFK’s brain, as would be required by a shot coming from the knoll, which was really to JFK’s right rather than to his front. (5) The rearward lurch was an entirely different kind of movement from the forward snap. The lurch began in the right shoulder and arm and involved the head only later. It did not look at all like the snap. (6) Because the lurch involved the whole upper torso, it required more energy than the snap. Many weapons did not have enough energy. Thus JFK’s head was hit by only one bullet, from the rear.
On April 07 2011 06:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
I watched a documentary about the magic bullet, and based on this documentary (if its not falsified) im well over 95% sure JFK was an inside job.
But a lot of people have probably not even heard about the magic bullet or let alone this documentary so in a poll a lot of people would probably vote "no" due to lack of information or desinformation from history books.
The "magic bullet" as I'm pretty sure you know, is the idea that the bullet which struck Kennedy in the neck could not have inflicted the wounds it did on the Governor also. This is thought to be true by conspiracy theories because they do not under stand where the governor and president were sitting in the car. Multiple reconstructions, and analysis of the arrangements and physics have both shown that the bullets path through the presidents neck into the rib cage of the governor and ultimately into the governors wrist is completely possible.
Myers' animation found that the bullet wounds were consistent with JFK's and Governor Connally's positions at the time of shooting, and that by following the bullet's trajectory backwards could be found to have originated from a narrow cone including only a few windows of the sixth floor of the School Book Depository, one of which was the sniper's nest of boxes from which the rifle barrel had been seen protruding by witnesses.
In the same ABC documentary, Myers uses a close-up examination of the Zapruder film to justify the "single bullet theory." He focused on a little-known anomaly on the Zapruder film. When Kennedy's limousine appears from behind the street sign in Dealey Plaza, there is a moment — seen between frames 223 and 224 on the Zapruder film — where the right side lapel of Governor Connally's jacket appears to "pop out," as if being pushed from within by an unseen force. Myers theorizes that this is the moment of impact, when both Kennedy and Connally were struck by the same bullet from Oswald's rifle. Myers also points out that — in frames 225-230 of the Zapruder film, as Kennedy appears from behind the street sign — both Kennedy and Connally are simultaneously reacting in pain to the impact of the bullet.
Something I would like from JFK conspiracy theory advocates. Give me a consensus of who, how, where, and why. Like in Clue, I want what group conspired to kill him, why they killed him, what they gained from killing him, how many gunman where there, where were the gunman, and did Jack Ruby have anything to do w/ it?
FBI: "We have NO HARD EVIDENCE connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11". Doesnt that seem a bit strange to you ?!
No hard evidence would be direct funding from a bin laden bank account to the hijackers, this would be extremely hard to find. Even evidence that Al Queda provided the funds, and that the hijackers were part of Al Queda is not hard evidence as far as a criminal investigation is concerned.
They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 and and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001.
from the link u gave me http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/pla...rad/calgaryherald101301_scrables.html they had done the job successfully 129 times in 2000 out of 425 times that there were arrant jets. That's around a 30% success rate. Jets that normally take 15 minutes to have deployed, they got deployed in 8 minutes.
also here
Phil Molé of Skeptic magazine has explained that it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD’S radar screens, making them very difficult to track.[66][69]
According to Popular Mechanics, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD.[69] A passenger airline hadn't been hijacked in the US since 1979.[72] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. According to Popular Mechanics, only one civilian plane was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11, which took 1 hour and 22 minutes.[69]
Rules in effect at that time, and on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," says FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. After 9/11, the FAA and NORAD increased cooperation. They set up hotlines between command centers while NORAD increased its fighter coverage and installed radar to watch airspace over the continent.[69]
The website 9-11 research also has insane goals for NORAD, it says that
Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets.
um wtf, how were they supposed to know that plane was going to be used as a missile? It had never happened before in the history of the country, it seemed like just another hijacking that the FAA would need to deal with. Since the plane never flew over any ADIZs NORAD had no jurisdiction to go after the plane or do anything about it. Once the north tower was hit they scrambled fighters into the air 7 minutes faster then normal, the fighters then flew to NYC at standard flying speed, they didn't know there was going to be another attack, and finding the planes on the radar was a royal bitch since the hijacked planes had it's tracker turned off. The planes flew at 25% of so of their top speed, but they are no allowed to go above mach while near a US city, so they were flying at around what a normal speed would be to secure a zone. Finally I'm not sure why they are saying planes should have been diverted to DC immediately after the 2nd strike on the towers, people didn't know where 77 was going for sure. By the time it was picked up by Reagan controllers picked up a plane on radar which happened to be flight 77, but by they time they knew what plane it was it was already descending towards the pentagon.
They say "the only plane with it's transponder turned off" as if that means the plane stands out when it actually means its nearly impossible to pick up well...the only evidence this theory has to suggest that planes with their transponder turned off can be found is one guy who used to work with the FAA in the 80s, thats not to reliable.
I'm to lazy to do the research on the other things mentioned, but if given links then yes I will probably do the same and find other sources and discredit them, etc.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
Sweden. Apr 07 2011 13:44. Posts 9685
, then backward (the "lurch"
