Busted 90% of my rolls @ high stakes lol..

It's okay hyung. With more discipline, you can rape it. Just control your inner degen within you.

ur stupid

On March 18 2011 10:27 gawdawaful wrote: move up to 25/50 cap. 5x swings means you're busto/robusto way faster, thus leaving more time to study

really am very fond of this website haha it's one of more enjoyable part of my life atm (sad i know)

On March 19 2011 10:15 ShLiM wrote: ur stupid

I was already aware of this, please be more constructive in your criticism.

Damn I would feel pretty bad after that but you have to think of it as a challenge now to grind it back gl

I'd say, for starters, never play poker unless you're in a good mood. No exceptions, ever. If you break this rule, your thought process in the hands doesn't really matter. Just my 2 cents, good luck and get through it.

good advice. Today my head hurt and had the 'fog' from studying psychology for my dissertation (Social psychology on self control lololol) I opened 8 tables of my stakes and then realised HELL NO and closed them all. True Story.

I'm going to be a bit blunt, but more of your hands are tracked of course besides the ones put up here. Maybe I'm wrong but it looked more like you were playing hyper aggressive everywhere, including spots that don't make much sense, and trying to win every single pot.

If that's true, coupled with the very first hand (where you are bluffing into a range that is repping massive strength), you really need to take a step back and ask yourself if you were playing good poker, or you were just feeding a gambling problem because of the thrill of winning pots off of the top regs. What kind of stats were you running that session?

Side note, one of those shortstackers is a 1ptbb/winner over many many hands in the midstakes. The other is bad but doesn't seem to be a gigantic whale.

I'd suggest really re-thinking what happened today and how it might affect you in the long term.

Also you know how this site works, so expect some pretty harsh comments!

On March 18 2011 09:16 Jhyun88 wrote: help.. I need to quit playing cap 5/10 flips..

1 day laterz

On March 19 2011 09:56 Jhyun88 wrote: Busted 90% of my rolls @ high stakes lol

Well done

Running into nut flush in that hand with Q9 is definitely, definitely questionable.

The section I am studying is was on self-awareness and self control. When you stop and think about yourself and you don't like what you see by standards set by yourself or public you either
A) Shape up - and work on eliminating the reason causing the discrepancy or you.
B) Ship Out - and you withdraw from self awareness.

Your mind does this to get rid of the discrepancy.

So in your and my case you don't like what you see (lack of continuous studying where you or your teacher expect from you) and it creates discrepancy between your mental goals and your actual state and you dive into a distraction. The theory is that this is why people dive into distractions like alcohol, spending lives on the internet, binge eating, or even watching TV.

I.E. there was a study that created an IQ test and irrespective of the actual results they told half people that they failed the test and that they are 'dumb' and told the other half that they passed it and are 'clever'. Then they were put into a room with a TV and those that were told that 'failed' watched it significantly longer than those that 'passed'.


Clearly poker and poker forums work as that withdrawing distraction for me/you and its hard to focus fully on it and act rationally when it is a mere cause from withdrawing self awareness from the real thing that causes the discrepancy=>lack of studying/results at school.

Its hard to do things about it, I am fucking posting on a forum when I have 30 pages to write in 10 days. Usually with uni it comes to that I keep distracting myself and rationalizing things that lead towards me not studying until I arrive at the latest possible time that allows me to finish before deadline and the push towards results becomes so immense that I summon massive mental strength and focus and finish shit I need to finish which sick high efficiency (my record is some 16k words of a report and 6 separate essays in 2 days), while completely draining myself .

aggressive BR mngt is good if you don't rely so much on the income from poker, but playing 5/10$ with 6000$ is degenerate imo. beside hand 1, i like how you played those hands. good luck regrinding.

Just FYI, I'm nor sure if I am being helpful, it sure does want me to go study now :D (My dissertation is on the difference between Homo Economicus, e.g. poker players and actual people)

On March 19 2011 10:37 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 18 2011 09:16 Jhyun88 wrote: help.. I need to quit playing cap 5/10 flips.. 1 day laterz   On March 19 2011 09:56 Jhyun88 wrote: Busted 90% of my rolls @ high stakes lol problem solved

fyp

On March 19 2011 10:30 edzwoo wrote: I'm going to be a bit blunt, but more of your hands are tracked of course besides the ones put up here. Maybe I'm wrong but it looked more like you were playing hyper aggressive everywhere, including spots that don't make much sense, and trying to win every single pot. If that's true, coupled with the very first hand (where you are bluffing into a range that is repping massive strength), you really need to take a step back and ask yourself if you were playing good poker, or you were just feeding a gambling problem because of the thrill of winning pots off of the top regs. What kind of stats were you running that session? Side note, one of those shortstackers is a 1ptbb/winner over many many hands in the midstakes. The other is bad but doesn't seem to be a gigantic whale. I'd suggest really re-thinking what happened today and how it might affect you in the long term.

Thanks for the bluntness, I do appreciate it.

I was playing aggressive but It wasn't completely out of the norm from how I normally play. It was 350? hands on the non-capped table and rest from capped where obviously theres a lot of shoving going on... That being said you may be right as I was playing around 30%vpip and 10% 3b from what I remember (I'm away from my desktop atm) But I normally play around 27% vpip anyways.

Did I play good poker? No I don't think so. I made some obvious mistakes in small-medium pots in bluffing bit too frequent and over leveling myself once or twice.

I can honestly say I don't have a gambling problem however, nor do I get thrill off winning against certain players. I've had plenty of "breaks" for over a month period where I just did not feel like playing poker. If something important forces me to quit poker this instantly, I would not think twice about it. Only real problem is my awareness of money involved disappears when I sit on online tables. Surprisingly enough, today was about the only time I really played way over my limit. I always kept decent br management.

I also take back what I said about being able to hold my own here if I had couple fishes here and there. I wasn't aware the guy was a winning shortstacker. I was being delusional + I've been getting overconfident b/c success I've been having at my limits this year.

Funny enough, I don't feel too bad about it yet.... Maybe it will hit me tomorrow. I'm confident I can rebuilt at nl100 XD

42s flush hand, probably too thin to be profitable. You are basically only getting value from Ax that are likely going to fold on that river and only going to get called by hands that have you beat. You may however, fold out better K, but villain may just call with a higher flush there because if you had a king, there's a good chance you may have bombed turn for value. And if you were really aggro for the last few hands, yeah, better flushes still may call.

The A7s, I think you should just call and play poker postflop. I mean, sure, you are really never in that bad of a shape getting it in there, but I think it's way more +EV to call for numerous reasons.

KQs hand, I don't know if I even like calling a 3bet OOP w/ KQs there to begin with. On turn, you have a pretty good equity, I don't know if you really want to get jammed on at turn. It might be better to just close the action and see river. That ace on turn is a card villain is going to fire at a high frequency in 3bet pot imo, and you do have the nut air (although, villain firing there is going to be almost always value since he would've bet all his air, overpairs, top pairs and draws on flop, and checking back ace high for control).

ouch ¬_¬

Thanks Lemon, I appreciate your concern and I do hope the best for you also.
I really don't know what came over me today... Well I do actually. I know myself and what I do when I'm losing. I shouldn't have let myself even sit down at higher limits (which I have been successful at so far in my poker career until today). Do keep in touch w/ me.. seems like we're in similiar situations from your descriptions lol.

Btw, I think you have a gambling problem. Like, I don't have a gambling problem and you know why, because I don't know how to play any other game other than poker. And despite owning a convenience store and working there from time to time, I don't buy lottery. I don't like variance. You on the other hand was casually playing shallow tables for flips. That is something I would never think of doing.

What happened today sucks. It definitely does. And I think you may be evading your feelings here, but I'm sure in reality, you feel like shit. It's okay to embrace it. I remember losing 20BI in January, and despite my best efforts to put on a cool face about it, I was pretty upset about the whole ordeal (although it's nowhere close in monetary value as yours, but 20BI to me at that limit was a lotsa money for me). But as always, your case simply isn't the worst of it and won't be the last for many poker players imo. It was an aggressive, thing of the moment shot at highstakes. Variance could have been really kind to you and maybe you would've made few Gs from it, and who knows what would've happen after that.

I think you should spend some time away from the tables and just relax. It might take a while for this defeat to sink in fully. You are asking for stakes and such already, and I feel a bit of anxiousness here. You can't play poker anxious. You'll play bad and get in ugly spots that way.

On March 19 2011 10:49 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2011 10:37 PplusAD wrote:   On March 18 2011 09:16 Jhyun88 wrote: help.. I need to quit playing cap 5/10 flips.. 1 day laterz   On March 19 2011 09:56 Jhyun88 wrote: Busted 90% of my rolls @ high stakes lol problem solved fyp

Thats exactly what my post meant

If anything is certain about me is that I don't lie to myself. I don't have a gambling problem. The 1 table flips is something I did while doing hours of studying for the final to keep me sane lol.

I think the reality hasn't sunk in yet but I've been much more upset over losing 4-5 buyins at my usual limit because I played like a complete donkey.
Even if I made few g's from it I would've went back to 200nl after Finals week was over until I felt ready enough to take shots at higher stakes.
Again I'm honest w myself and I've done lot of preparing and asking around for coaching and such when I was moving up from micros. I was overolled between 25-50nl but underolled for 200nl when I decided to take a shot. And it was because I felt I was ready and recognized how little or a lot I've improved between a certain time period.

I probably am going to take couple days off yes. You're right, I am feeling a bit anxious....
I'm not too serious about the stake though. It's something I'm keeping in mind in case I somehow bust my 1k roll (plus over 1k$ or so in vpps) and I have another 1k on Carbon sitting around.

Thanks for your advice.

Clearly you haven't reached the point where they respect your raises

Wow that is one ridiculous drop on the graph. Sorry dude

i did this once in college. use it as an expensive lesson

You played very dumb. I can just tell this by K345 stacking off so incredibly light UTG v UTG +1. He's a nit who doesn't like to fuck around ever.

People were just sitting around waiting for you to bust. Don't try to rationalize your plays. Your reads and understanding of the entire situation was incredibly off. You made a huge mistake. Don't make it again.

Dear JHyun88,

I would like to offer some consolation! I definitely feel for you (lost 5-6k in the past few days, albeit at my normal stake). I've also been in your situation before (played higher and didn't stop) and I relate a lot to the way that you feel.

When I was still in college I had some of my roughest sessions especially around exam time. I remember tilting 8.9k away a few days before Christmas because I was away from family in Taiwan. To make things worse, it was finals week as there was no Christmas vacation - school went on break end of January (Chinese New Year time).

Looks like there are some useful responses in this thread so I'm going to read them myself. But right now, I'm in the same spot as you, down a bunch with confidence shaken. Power up man! Feel free to PM with contact info if you want to chat sometime.

Quite sad that you threw away such a huge portion of your roll, you're def a promising player judging from the bit I played with you, your posts in general and your results at lower stakes this year. Bit of discipline and you'll grind back up in no time I guess, prob best if you don't try shot taking with like 6 buyins in your roll next time though

Thanks for advice Maynard. I was aware of my image but I took it too far still.. I did try to nit up a lot towards the end.. It won't happen again

Exalted: will do just that.. always nice to have someone to discuss w

Midian: Thanks, I just had a moment of craziness during all this exam materials @@. It definitely won't happen again. I wouldn't even call it shot taking because it's not something I ever would normally do or did in my previous "real shot takes." Good thing I left myself with something and FPPs. I can start grinding 100nl again asap.

This feels kinda like when I had to take a class during freshman year that I already knew everything in because I had to and yet paying an expansive tuition for it...

Alright well, I seem to have grossly overestimated there then. I'm sure you'll be fine, just keep grinding. Good luck, hyung

this is just one of many bustos you will experience

On March 19 2011 13:17 redrain0125 wrote: this is just one of many bustos you will experience

Well I'm not exactly busto If I scrape money from Carbon and FPPs I should have around 3-3.5k
Hopefully I don't do stupid shit again.

Peter: good thing you didn't let me sweat you lol!

i told you responsible gaming tab was your only out in situations where you could not trust yourself. it's there for a reason and more people should use it.
to be very frank this was an insanely stupid move, you could have just bet 5k on shogun and today and get to flip at 1knl later when u win 8k after the fight

you gotta start thinking how this severely crippled your chance to actually move up legitimately. and you begin to see that the difference is quite huge. i've felt the sting of its realization several times while cashing out, playing drunk, playing underrolled. constantly remind yourself where you want to be in the not-too-distant future.

ssibal jung shin cha ryeo lol

also,

ffs man be more serious in school. when i got into the cycle of winning a lot and losing a lot to stupid reasons i barely kept up with school at all. i played poker all night, drank, had fun and skipped exams (some finals lol) the next day and stupid shit like that. now i have a college degree that means jack shit and i regret that a lot.

even if youre graduating in a semester or two it's still not too late to build relationships with your teachers and other faculty members. networking is one of the most important things to get out of ur years in college and it's not at all emphasized by others. i clearly realize it now when it's too late. they are the ones who have the power to open up opportunities for you and they're right in front of your eyes! even if you don't get a job right out of college, things might open up later and you're going to wish you had someone to rely on for references.

so it's not to late to salvage your college experience. don't throw it away because of online poker. it can wait. just be a little more patient.

you make me feel better , should i actually?

On March 19 2011 20:54 collegesucks wrote: ssibal jung shin cha ryeo lol

playing underrolled poker to keep yourself "sane" is truly insane. id say youre in denial.
you should stop the first time its happened. it cant get any more degenerate than this

sorry to hear, i know i can relate as i'm sure many others here can. if i were you i would take like a week or two off to clear my mind/concentrate on school, come back refreshed and focused. but..

On March 19 2011 09:56 Jhyun88 wrote: I'm a reg on stars @ 100nl/200nl and I've been crushing the games this year...

you have to be honest with yourself...