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How bad do you hate this call?

Submitted by : tloapc

PokerStars Game #4444444444: Tournament #404010397, $20+$2 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2011/01/30 17:07:44 CT [2011/01/30 18:07:44 ET]
Table 404010397 15 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: larush68305 (238882 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (190206 in chips)
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (207377 in chips)
Seat 5: noreturnback (240414 in chips)
Seat 6: temka99 (130384 in chips)
Seat 8: Lozi161188 (137296 in chips)
Seat 9: grunt13 (301729 in chips)
larush68305: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts the ante 800
Ringelsdorf: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts the ante 800
temka99: posts the ante 800
Lozi161188: posts the ante 800
grunt13: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts small blind 4000
temka99: posts big blind 8000

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Lozi161188: folds
grunt13: folds
larush68305: folds
Hero: raises 8000 to 16000
Ringelsdorf: raises 9875 to 25875
noreturnback: folds
temka99: folds
Hero: calls 9875

Flop (Pot : $69,350.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 27675
Hero: calls 27675

Turn (Pot : $124,700.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 41225
Hero: calls 41225

River (Pot : $207,150.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 111802 and is all-in
Hero: calls 94631 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17171) returned to Ringelsdorf

so were you thinking preflop "well i got odds gotta call"
then on flop you thought "well only 1/3 pot and i got a pair gotta go with it"
and then on turn you thought "well only 1/3 pot and i got a pair gotta go with it"
and then on river it was like "well I cant keep calling and then folding that river cuz i put him on aq"

or what

I guess I've had reads that'd justify calling this down before but generally im not putting in chips postflop, and if I do then i'm leading out on the flop.

You can't just chuck out some stats for a play like this and wonder if they justify it - no stats can justify it. You may feel it's right with specific reads and a feeling for the dynamic but that's your choice.

You might be able to justify it with reads. Without any I hate it though?

i dont know if i like it, if he 3bets 20%, you should 4bet or fold, there are other ways beat a lagtard?

which one, I see a lot of calls in this hand

river one is... meh, whatever, but why did you get there?

as played, preflop and river are "ok"

flop/turn are pretty bad

On January 30 2011 23:57 Daut wrote: as played, preflop and river are "ok" flop/turn are pretty bad

yep, my thoughts exactly, hate turn the most

not too crazy

I didn't want to just make this thread with a hand history and no info so I added the stats and I felt if I gave my reads at the time then the call becomes easily justified

I was really confident after the flop he was bluffing and timebanked kinda hard on the turn as I was going to shove then said why are you shoving turn if your read is he's bluffing so called and loved seeing the river card that came

Submitted by : tloapc

PokerStars Game #4444444444: Tournament #404010397, $20+$2 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2011/01/30 17:07:44 CT [2011/01/30 18:07:44 ET]
Table 404010397 15 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: larush68305 (238882 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (190206 in chips)
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (207377 in chips)
Seat 5: noreturnback (240414 in chips)
Seat 6: temka99 (130384 in chips)
Seat 8: Lozi161188 (137296 in chips)
Seat 9: grunt13 (301729 in chips)
larush68305: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts the ante 800
Ringelsdorf: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts the ante 800
temka99: posts the ante 800
Lozi161188: posts the ante 800
grunt13: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts small blind 4000
temka99: posts big blind 8000

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Lozi161188: folds
grunt13: folds
larush68305: folds
Hero: raises 8000 to 16000
Ringelsdorf: raises 9875 to 25875
noreturnback: folds
temka99: folds
Hero: calls 9875

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $69,350.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 27675
Hero: calls 27675

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $124,700.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 41225
Hero: calls 41225

River (Pot : $207,150.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 111802 and is all-in
Hero: calls 94631 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17171) returned to Ringelsdorf

Showdown
Ringelsdorf: shows (a pair of Sixes)
Hero: shows (a pair of Sixes - lower kicker)
Ringelsdorf collected 396412 from pot
Hero finished the tournament in 21st place and received $98.30.
Ringelsdorf said, "lol?"

Summary
Total pot 396412 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: larush68305 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (button) showed and won (396412) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: noreturnback (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: temka99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Lozi161188 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: grunt13 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

So considering the chance he's even bluffing with better hands (as seen by the result), your play in this hand is even worse than people thought initially.

Ringelsdorf said, "lol?"

Sick valueshove

On January 31 2011 11:08 Twisted wrote: So considering the chance he's even bluffing with better hands (as seen by the result), your play in this hand is even worse than people thought initially.

now we are getting somewhere =P

haha results

love it

I had to laugh so hard, when i saw results... sorry

I got a chuckle out of the results. But I'm with Drone here on this one.

flop c/r -> chkf -> chkc, probably fold pf too since u sucks

hilarious hand
anyways i think clear fold flop!

On January 31 2011 13:09 Jun wrote: Sick valueshove

rofl! :D

if for some reason you get to the river with this hand, definately ship the heart

This is crazzy i like to play this kind of hands

wow, love playing with people like this

shove flop or turn if you think he's fos. even shit has good equity vs u so take it now imo

The more such players<the better for all of us

May 6 I if I had, I'd throw the book because every flop with cards older than 7 can cause me problems.

chemical brothers ..big poker!!!!

On February 05 2011 03:43 NeillyJQ wrote: if for some reason you get to the river with this hand, definately ship the heart

Maybe not super bad in a cash game, seems kinda horrible to risk your tournament life in this spot when you had a very healthy chipstack, so I guess I hate it tons

turn is juss gross, ur calling pretty much all rivs now, juss puke

Standard play a2c then make up an excuse for doing it, also known as T Dwan play.

That is the worst play i've seen in a while. And there are millions of hands each day.

On January 31 2011 11:08 Twisted wrote: So considering the chance he's even bluffing with better hands (as seen by the result), your play in this hand is even worse than people thought initially.

must say the same....

PokerStars Game #4444444444

Woah

without seeing results i was thinking.
Good flop For AQ AK and hes betsize looks that he hit this flop or is good shape with AK AQ. Best is to fold.
If u call and he bets 41225 ..what seems weak now i put him on JQ,T,AQ AK. Good hand would bet more to protect gazillion draws out there.
Anways i expect him to check call river instead jam. He should realize if u drawing flush u hit that river or u have TJ and valuebet would be 2 light on river.
Jam is weird as he played hand. Now i put him on AK AQ.

I think id play every street differently

this is really quite bad.

he prob turns shit like KT/AT 77-99 into bluffs here quite easily as well.

super ez foldaments

fold or 4bet preflop sir

4bet to 60k - if he calls jam any pair or draw