what a joke

your red line is very very bad and is probably the direct cause of your losing

PMed you

take a break!
during that period learn and study only.

T.T. this is depressing

indeed

I'll try anything at this point, I think I need a coach but I have no idea how to pay such a person. I guess they could have my rakeback. lawl.

curious to see PM

Looks like poker isn't for you. I'm serious about that.

Looks like you concentrate on making good folds, but foget to extract max value, make good bluffs. show to someone your turn and river agression, it might be your weak spot

get coaching?

On June 13 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              13 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:31 Twisted wrote: Looks like poker isn't for you. I'm serious about that.

+1

edit: no need to be like that.


that's a real weird graph tho. something's really wrong.

That's why playing bad was in there twice

don't take it so serious, seems you put a lot of pressure on yourself that you must win money which is the worst mindset. Take few days break and play when you feel like playing, but try to think it's all play money and concentrate on optimizing your style. Impatience of winning leads to losing.

also, your lack of variance in your EV is actually really lucky, due to the correlation of winrate and variance (breakeven style = potentially massive swings)

all hands for my FT:

hmm...idk.. i wish i can help, maybe i'll teach you some sngs/mtt, hope that works out

On June 13 2010 09:18 exalted wrote: your red line is very very bad and is probably the direct cause of your losing PMed you

Imo this is wrong. I've read your blog before and yourself//everybody else's reasoning for why you are losing is wrong. It isn't your stats, redline, etc etc that is causing you to lose. Those are just metrics of the actions you take. Its what is underlying those metrics ---> Your "Mechanics" that is really important. I consider that to be things like how you think about poker and make decisions at the table...with what speed? with what focus? How you try to get reads and use them? etc. You really ought to be focusing on fixing your mechanics, not "Oh I should be barreling or not barreling in this spot."

Imo in your situation (playing for a living with a meager source of income) its going to be really hard to fix your mechanics since there is so much pressure on you to pay your bills with your poker money. It would probably be best for you to move down and reduce the number of tables to one or two, and to also take a very big percentage of your poker time to study and focus on your mechanics. You should also be willing to experiment heavily while you play, with improvement, not winning money, to be your primary goal.

Given that its really hard to do these things while playing for a living, I suggest you at the least temporarily focus on a job or going back to school. This is going to put alot of pressure away from your poker and will allow you to give it the TYPE of focus that is required. If its the right move, there is no shame in it at all.

My 2 cents.

u need to fix that red line.

i would coach u, but i'm prob. not good enough.

Also I feel this is a good article.

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/inter...en-lemons-give-you-life-make-lifenade

It was from"Collegesucks's" Blog. I think its a good read and should be relevant to the situation.

hiems, I understand what you're saying, but that red line is the equivalent of someone saying: "I play 50/6, and, I just can't seem to win!" It is definitely a leak, although I may incorrectly infer that it is his largest one (that I could easily be wrong about).

It does get less severe in slope in the end, hence his 'improvement' towards a break even instead of 'losing' player, but that is still miles from a breakeven red line or even a positive sloped one (which of course "may" not be optimal)

On June 13 2010 10:36 exalted wrote: hiems, I understand what you're saying, but that red line is the equivalent of someone saying: "I play 50/6, and, I just can't seem to win!" It is definitely a leak, although I may incorrectly infer that it is his largest one (that I could easily be wrong about). It does get less severe in slope in the end, hence his 'improvement' towards a break even instead of 'losing' player, but that is still miles from a breakeven red line or even a positive sloped one (which of course "may" not be optimal)

I see what you mean. I guess I don't realize what "Style" of play and severity of leaks will contribute to a red-line looking like that. But I guess I just needed to add my point because I felt it hasn't been covered at all in reading through his blog before. And I feel that is what he needs long term for what he wants out of poker.

this red line is a major major leak lol, your hand reading skills is probably really bad so you don't take advantage of any spot, you seem to only play ur cards, and fold way too much T_T

And Yeah I mean of course I thought the red-line was a leak. I'm just saying the best way for him to fix that in my opinion is to make tangibble improvements in how he himself thinks about poker at the table.

On June 13 2010 10 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              13 2010 10      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:27 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2010 09:18 exalted wrote: your red line is very very bad and is probably the direct cause of your losing PMed you Imo this is wrong. I've read your blog before and yourself//everybody else's reasoning for why you are losing is wrong. It isn't your stats, redline, etc etc that is causing you to lose. Those are just metrics of the actions you take. Its what is underlying those metrics ---> Your "Mechanics" that is really important. I consider that to be things like how you think about poker and make decisions at the table...with what speed? with what focus? How you try to get reads and use them? etc. You really ought to be focusing on fixing your mechanics, not "Oh I should be barreling or not barreling in this spot." Imo in your situation (playing for a living with a meager source of income) its going to be really hard to fix your mechanics since there is so much pressure on you to pay your bills with your poker money. It would probably be best for you to move down and reduce the number of tables to one or two, and to also take a very big percentage of your poker time to study and focus on your mechanics. You should also be willing to experiment heavily while you play, with improvement, not winning money, to be your primary goal. Given that its really hard to do these things while playing for a living, I suggest you at the least temporarily focus on a job or going back to school. This is going to put alot of pressure away from your poker and will allow you to give it the TYPE of focus that is required. If its the right move, there is no shame in it at all. My 2 cents.

very nice post sir.

I know that when i spew it is because i bluff/call too much; never because i am folding too much

Without paying attention to graphs and bullshit and just from what you write I can see you arent in the mindset of being a winning poker player. There is nothing wrong with being critical on your game but you seem to have accepted defeat and just going downhill instead of trusting your game. So just ignore graphs, ev and all that shit and play well without second guessing yourself every other hand.

Maybe you should try making an instructional video to help develop your own thought process. You'll be less prone to making certain mistakes that you are probably aware that you make, but with the added pressure of a peer review you'll avoid doing them. Or hell maybe you should try offering some free coaching at NL2 just to fortify your knowledge once again since you'll be an observer instead of the player this time.

take a break bro, go get some pussy, play some sports, introduce some real danger/ adrenaline into your life. Once you;ve crawled out your nerd shell, and experience life (take your mind off losing poker) come back with a vengence and just soul crush everyone trusting your gut, no shy no shy.

multi table and become a rakeback pro. but yeah that red line sucks balls

it seems like he is already multi tabling....

i think the solution is to either start having fun playing the game, which could improve your play. Or quit.

looks like your going to have to do massive overhaul in your game. watch videos a la dc (start with noah sd's rewind imo), post like 2-3 hands in the forums a day (they seem to be somewhat dead i'm sure no one will mind) also look for a coach if your serious. there's nothing wrong with being happy playing at a certain stake. lots of players are content smashing nl25/50 and make a killing there. there's no reason to move up and up and up if it is too stressful, unprofitable and not fun. although i will say i was in a very similar spot to yours. when i finally beat nl 50 it did feel pretty great and i had a sense of accomplishment (laugh if you want). also play 4-6 tables @ a time always. i used to play 10-14 standard and i used to spew a shit ton and it really stunted my growth terribly.

damn i would be inclined to tell you that you are getting owned in non-sd pots but that much is pretty damn obvious. I guess it's time to start really reevaluating your game. I know how hard it is to live off poker and be in the midst of sucking/downswinging. it fucking blows and you wonder what the hell did you do you make yourself to be put in this situation. I know my confidence was permanently affected for months or even years to come after an experience like that.

Just hang in there and taking the suggestion of some others such as refocusing on school or a job with a steady income might help.

Cash out and lurk the ROFL thread like me!


For serious: sorry to see that you're struggling.

get a stable job and come back to poker dude.

it's pretty obvious the red line is the culprit here, forget about the blueline coz you obv run like me. get coaching and you'll see.

its hard to afford coaching when your losing so much, maybe ask someone u know for a stake/coaching type deal like those offered on the forums before

Ill watch you play some time just message me on msn

I'm a much happier person since i left poker... poker isn't for everyone
Unless your talent is so big that you win 150K+ a year i definetly think its a bad idea to play poker full time

Recently i played again and i remembered how poker made me feel when i run bad -_-

table select more? :|

yea make a video for everyone to watch man

I also suggest ditching any HUD and just playing straight up. Use those 5th dimensional feelings and see what your gut tells you to do. I dont care if you feel lost and youre like "zomg is he really 3betting me often enough here for a 4bet or am I just overreacting?" Thats the point. Do what feels right. If it feels like someone is abusing you even though stupid shitty HUD says they're only raising that spot 4% of the time fuck it, play back and see what happens.