UFC 1VS1 this sunday

Everybody is talking about UFC 111
but i guess the upcomming UFC event on Sunday also deserves a look

Jon Jones vs. Brandon Vera
Junior dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo vs. Paul Buentello
Daniel Roberts vs. John Howard
Clay Guida vs. Shannon Gugerty
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Eliot Marshall
Duane Ludwig vs. Darren Elkins
James Irvin vs. Alessio Sakara
Brendan Schaub vs. Chase Gormley
Eric Schafer vs. Jason Brilz
Mike Pierce vs. Julio Paulino

Quite a few intersting and talented athlets in there

-pretty good 3 main fights
-Daniel Roberts is 9-0 in minor organisations and gives his UFC debut
-Mike Pierce is insanely talented too and faces Paulino who comes of 7 clear victories in a row in minor organisations
- Guida is always good for a nice show
rest of the card can also bring some interesting fights

hype videos

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-CIb5wSK8Y Vera Jones
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZoyB1zVbs Kongo bluentello
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8jQGqBkxa8 Dos Santos vs Gonzaga

vera jones should be interesting. i think jones is way over hyped and the best thing about him is his retard reach which he does not use well and his wrestling. i think his strking is very sloppy but hes just getting away with it cuz he hasnt faced an even semi decent striker that im aware of. ill take vera in this fight

jds vs GG is tough to call. ill take gonzaga with the upset

kongo

guida

looking forward to the 3 main fights like you said
as sad as it sounds i think i would like guida's fights more if he would cut his hair :/

On March 19 2010 08:19 Raidern wrote: looking forward to the 3 main fights like you said as sad as it sounds i think i would like guida's fights more if he would cut his hair :/

ground & hair > you dirty brazilians and your bjj.

Yea I got some bets down and I'm very excited for this.

i want JDS to win so bad. I love a good striker especially in the HW division.

Jon Jones > Brandon Vera via decapation. I was off the Vera train after his fight with Randy he won't make it out of the first round

This looks like a great card

JDS has it in the bag, GG is the biggest waste of talent in MMA, guy has all the skills and strength to be the best in the world, but folds under pressure so quickly. Seriously give GG's size/str/skills to any other fighter and you have a champion.


Jon Jones > Brandon Vera
Junior dos Santos > Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo < Paul Buentello
Daniel Roberts < John Howard
Clay Guida > Shannon Gugerty
Vladimir Matyushenko > Eliot Marshall
Duane Ludwig > Darren Elkins
James Irvin < Alessio Sakara
Brendan Schaub > Chase Gormley
Eric Schafer < Jason Brilz
Mike Pierce > Julio Paulino

Jon Jones via skull smashing / possible 1st death in MMA over Brandon Vera
Junior Dos Santos via KO over Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo via TKO over Paul Buentello

you guys realize if jon jones finishes vera that he's like instant big contender... beat him by UD is more likely...

how cool would a ufc 2v2 be

how about 5 little guys vs 2 huge guys

On March 19 2010 14:46 Fox wrote: you guys realize if jon jones finishes vera that he's like instant big contender... beat him by UD is more likely...

well there is a giant pool of big timers in the LH division.
while it'd be nice to see him fight someone serious, i think the upper echelon of those fighters would probably crush him.

dos santos - gonzaga = im betting money and hopefully not losing

On March 19 2010 15:06 asdf2000 wrote: how about 5 little guys vs 2 huge guys

how about 50 midgets vs a lion?

jon jones will not finish vera.

vera is like gonzaga, a huge waste of talent. hes one of those guys that every fight part of you expects his potential to show and see him dominate but it almost never does. that said i think he will give jones a really tough time but it will come down to the wrestling imo. jones will be able to take him down and unleash enough gnp to win a decision

Or unleash enough GnP to make craters in his forehead or until the ref decides to DQ him on the grounds that he shouldn't be that violent to his opponents.

idk why but i think Buentello will win vs Kongo

On March 20 2010 03:55 PaleMan wrote: idk why but i think Buentello will win vs Kongo

the why is the simple fact that kongo has been getting wrecked in his last couple of fights.
mainly being out striked by a ground game specialist.

edit: a ground game specialist that most people really hate, and wanted to see lose.

I havn't seen Kongo in any of his "good" fights since I've only watched the UFC for maybe a year or a little less (I've watched K1 for a long time though) but except for being a strong motherfucker with ok chin I havn't seen anything impressive from him. Buentello doesn't seem that good either though.

lmao buentello cant win, hes too slow and fat and doesnt have much power, kongo will legkick him to death

kongo is massively overrated because

a) he beat a shitty cro cop that is terrible in the ufc because he was a one trick pony that got figured out and he cant cut off corners anymore which was massively important to him.
b) and because he has a monstrous 8 pack and people like johnny cosmo & talented tom eat that shit up :D

ya kongo is def overrated but he has enoughin him to clown on a mid level journeyman like buentello

On March 20 2010 15:50 Daut wrote: ya kongo is def overrated but he has enoughin him to clown on a mid level journeyman like buentello

yea no doubt. he is a much better kickboxer than buentello. good matchup for him.

give me 2 to 1 Daut

i bet $50 on Paul, you $100 on Cheik and we have a deal

uhm can i take that kind offer PaleMan?

On March 20 2010 16:08 PaleMan wrote: give me 2 to 1 Daut i bet $50 on Paul, you $100 on Cheik and we have a deal

ill take this for as much as you wanna bet

gotta love wand lol

God I could understand like every 5th word, all I heard was "gibberish, gibberish, UFC, gibberish, gibberish, MMA, gibberish...."

On March 20 2010 23:17 Rush wrote: God I could understand like every 5th word, all I heard was "gibberish, gibberish, UFC, gibberish, gibberish, MMA, gibberish...."

thank god for portuguese subtitles

link to this? who won?

On March 20 2010 15:49 Stim_Abuser wrote: kongo is massively overrated because a) he beat a shitty cro cop that is terrible in the ufc because he was a one trick pony that got figured out and he cant cut off corners anymore which was massively important to him. b) and because he has a monstrous 8 pack and people like johnny cosmo & talented tom eat that shit up :D

Hahaha at your #2 point, but yes I am impressed w/ congo. His back muscles are insane

taking jds jones and maybe few others

On March 20 2010 18:42 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2010 16:08 PaleMan wrote: give me 2 to 1 Daut i bet $50 on Paul, you $100 on Cheik and we have a deal ill take this for as much as you wanna bet

if Daut will not answer, i'll bet my $50 against your $100, deal?
(pokerstars transfer)

anyone willing to make a small bet on gonzaga - dos santos?

1:1, $10, i pick dos santos

On March 20 2010 16:08 PaleMan wrote: give me 2 to 1 Daut i bet $50 on Paul, you $100 on Cheik and we have a deal

is this still avaliable I want in

On March 21 2010 05:04 PaleMan wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2010 18:42 Jamie217 wrote:   On March 20 2010 16:08 PaleMan wrote: give me 2 to 1 Daut i bet $50 on Paul, you $100 on Cheik and we have a deal ill take this for as much as you wanna bet if Daut will not answer, i'll bet my $50 against your $100, deal? (pokerstars transfer)

yeah ill take it

On March 21 2010 11:29 Raidern wrote: anyone willing to make a small bet on gonzaga - dos santos? 1:1, $10, i pick dos santos

the line is like -250 for jds

On March 21 2010 12:05 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2010 11:29 Raidern wrote: anyone willing to make a small bet on gonzaga - dos santos? 1:1, $10, i pick dos santos the line is like -250 for jds

i would bet some money on gonzaga in some site then, because i dont think jds has this advantage over him.

I'll take JDS 1:1 for $10 or w/e

lol i love jon jonessss his random crazy strikes are always a pleasure to watch. esp when it works.

the jon jones hype train is ending tonight

On March 21 2010 16:31 Stim_Abuser wrote: the jon jones hype train is ending tonight

The man is a good fighter and is FUN to watch I do believe Vera is a better fighter but who knows, we'll have to see.

P.S when is this starting CET time anyone know?

Isn't it at 6pm everywhere?

it starts 2000 lp time

Am I one of the only few rooting for Vera? . I would like to see Vera make a run for the top again. I think Vera needs to work on building some mass and strength so he doesn't get man handled into the cage like Randy did to him in his last fight. More strength would allow him to push people off to do some dynamic striking or hold more effective muay thai clinches.

anyone want any more action against me? i got jones

spike jones is a good director

Hopefully Vera shows some of that talent he leaves in the gym before most of his fights

mike jones is a good rapper, well not really

magic jones oops aids

assuming the prelim fights are underway anyone have any updates?

sherdog probably

can anyone post a stream?

not sure how to get the address off of a sopcast stream

wow brutal way to start the night

LOL @ the F bombs on regular cable hahaha

http://atdhe.net/8921/watch-ufc-live-vera-vs-jones

LOOOOOOOOOL
im not superman
but im super cheik kongo
ahahahahahaha

so many commercials...

damn....saw that coming v_v

"he is getting molested"

yeah who the hell says that lmao

fuckin rogan

sloppiest take downs ever but it doesnt even matter since kongo is so strong

I really like the call on those knees, since he was dropping the hand just to make them illegal

that guy looked like a retarded jackass (buentello)

Doesn't matter how bad ass you are, in french all men sound like pussies

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM JDS YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Someone call Al Gore, Manbearpig has been defeated

wowwwwwwwww JDS is a beast

Quick! Need other streaming links caz the one posted above does not work in mexico fcufcfkcfucfkc

try http://sportsstop.tv/ch2/index.html or http://sport.dnevnik.hr/rubrika/ufc/uzivo

vicious elbow there

wow that looked like it hurt lmao

EL OH EL

vera checks the talent at the door

edit: i was rooting for vera till he did that ILLEGAL ASS head kick

vera is officially a can =[

If Vera fought at 60%-70% of what he puts out in the gym the guy would be a title contender

jds and jon jones are scary and very exciting fighters to watch

Why is it whenever Joe Rogan/Dana White say its going to be a slug fest/stand up war, it's never that?

because they say that about every fight because that's what sell to your average viewer

like seriously how did vera not armbar jones? if i was his size i coulda fucking armbarred jones jfc. so much for being a sick grappler.

i honestly think he was scared to get his guard passed. what a bish ass ninja.

ye id be pretty fuckin scared of jones gnp as well if he gets inside his guard, I think Matt Hamill is still wondering what happened in that fight

On March 21 2010 22:16 Stim_Abuser wrote: like seriously how did vera not armbar jones? if i was his size i coulda fucking armbarred jones jfc. so much for being a sick grappler. i honestly think he was scared to get his guard passed. what a bish ass ninja.

was waiting for it, even calling it out a few times as he would just get his leg a little higher, but it just never came, the arm was there for it he just didn't take it.

overall kinda dissapointing imo

Bluentello vs Kongo -> Looker like minor league or something both of them are nowehere near the top level of guys like Lesnar,Mir,Valasquez,Carwin,JDS etc.
Kongos Takedowns were so bad and Bluentello didnt look good at any point in the fight.

Gonzaga - JDS Gonzaga looked just too slow

Vera-Jones Vera just didnt have the balls to try anything from the guard ... he even had wrist control and hip control at one point but didnt even attempt a submission
First viscious elbow of jones ends the fight

On March 21 2010 22:30 Jamie217 wrote: ye id be pretty fuckin scared of jones gnp as well if he gets inside his guard, I think Matt Hamill is still wondering what happened in that fight

if someones extending their arm on your chest and you are to afraid to go for an armbar you should not be a pro fighter broski.

im not speaking as a pro fighter chief

On March 21 2010 23:10 Jamie217 wrote: im not speaking as a pro fighter chief

thought you were commenting on veras situation.

of course youd be afraid of jon jones gnp chief, youd be scared of aokis ;]

On March 19 2010 19:26 JonnyCosMo wrote: Or unleash enough GnP to make craters in his forehead or until the ref decides to DQ him on the grounds that he shouldn't be that violent to his opponents.

loool good call cosmo

Gonzaga...he fat

JDS is s stone cold killer.. that slash motion or whatever it is he does during the intros is pretty funny lol, would be laughable if he wasnt so fucking good. heavyweight division is kindof exciting for the first time in awhile. I think JDS and cain are the most impressive/deserving of a shot, too bad the winner of mir/carwin has first dibs. I almost don't want JDS and cain to fight each other before they get a crack at the title. Maybe one of them gets the loser of mir/carwin first (probably cain) but then I'm not sure who JDS fights that would be at all interesting. a freakshow vs bobby lashey or marius?? lol

Jon Jones' wrestling seems pretty fucking sick since vera's td defense seems pretty solid (gave randy trouble anyway). You guys think that was an easy armbar situation? Like to the point where its ridiculous that he didnt pull it off?? (I don't know I'm asking those of you that train bjj) Regardless I can't wait to see jones vs some top flight talent. Seems to me like he matches up well against most of the division.. who even has good submissions at lhw? i never see fights end by submission at light heavy. Jones vs anderson silva would be pretty sick, but theres no way dana white would let that fight happen.. is there?

why is bunetello in the ufc? just a can or what? it looks like he hasnt trained anythign but boxing, and is in terrible shape.

Bunetello's contract with Affliction got carried over to the UFC when they were brought back in AFAIK. They kept him around cause he usually makes for exciting fights as he just goes out and bangs with anyone willing.

The armbar was there way too many times not to take it, at points Jones was willing putting his arm passed Vera's shoulder, almost looking like he was thinking of using it to post or something, many times Vera had wrist control and a high guard that could have been finished rather easy even by lower tier grapplers, if anything I would say Vera fought scared on the ground, like he was waiting for the last 30seconds or so to try it so even if he does miss it he doesn't lose position for too long.

JDS > Carwin > Cain > Mir

I think UFC and sports in general are so much fun to watch

if you have money on it

I mean seriously if I didn't bet on anything thats aired or hyped, then I'd be bored out of my mind

I played golf in high school

On March 22 2010 00:53 NotSorry wrote: Bunetello's contract with Affliction got carried over to the UFC when they were brought back in AFAIK. They kept him around cause he usually makes for exciting fights as he just goes out and bangs with anyone willing. The armbar was there way too many times not to take it, at points Jones was willing putting his arm passed Vera's shoulder, almost looking like he was thinking of using it to post or something, many times Vera had wrist control and a high guard that could have been finished rather easy even by lower tier grapplers, if anything I would say Vera fought scared on the ground, like he was waiting for the last 30seconds or so to try it so even if he does miss it he doesn't lose position for too long. JDS > Carwin > Cain > Mir

Thing is, carwin's only had 1 fight vs decent opposition, and he got fucking rocked pretty quickly, even if he won soon after. Hes got a great wrestling base obviously and its huge and insanely strong with hands that hit like sledgehammers, but he seems slow to me, maybe easy to hit, and definitely very unproven. Cain and JDS both have more impressive resumes, even if they occasionally let fights go past the 2:00 mark.

Anyone wanna speculate on upcoming HW and LHW matchups?

wow actually JDS's ufc resume is super impressive. everyone he's fought have been solid fighters except stephan, the circus act, strauve, all other 4 are super solid wins.

On March 22 2010 01:15 Fraser wrote: wow actually JDS's ufc resume is super impressive. everyone he's fought have been solid fighters except stephan, the circus act, strauve, all other 4 are super solid wins.

strauve > yvel

On March 22 2010 01:21 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2010 01:15 Fraser wrote: wow actually JDS's ufc resume is super impressive. everyone he's fought have been solid fighters except stephan, the circus act, strauve, all other 4 are super solid wins. strauve > yvel

sick record but he looks super shitty technically, really unathletic, but maybe his size makes up for it. yvel seems like a much more dynamic fighter at least, which would give him a better chance vs quality opposition. 2 wins vs overeem and a win vs kongo. i don't see anyone well known on struve's win list.

yea now that i think about it knocking out yvel on the feet is far more impressive than knocking out struve on the feet.

though i think jds will have a lot of trouble once he fights someone with good takedowns. hes only a purple belt in bjj and a semi recent one at that.

On March 19 2010 14:31 JonnyCosMo wrote: Jon Jones via skull smashing / possible 1st death in MMA over Brandon Vera Junior Dos Santos via KO over Gabriel Gonzaga Cheick Kongo via TKO over Paul Buentello

Hey sick call JonnyCosMo, you really know yo shit. wp wp

On March 21 2010 23:12 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2010 19:26 JonnyCosMo wrote: Or unleash enough GnP to make craters in his forehead or until the ref decides to DQ him on the grounds that he shouldn't be that violent to his opponents. loool good call cosmo

thx u sir

Jamie PM me your PS nick and location

rofl yes cosmo sick call. did the elbow go right into the eye socket? is vera ok?

and yea i cannot believe vera didnt try an armbar. i mean im not saying id have finished it but my god i would have went for one immediately. we havent really seen jones work much from the closed guard, but he has beaten a few bjj black belts already so i dont think his sub defense is really his weakness (still think its his striking which is awkward and has lots of openings for him to get hit by straight punches), but he cant be leaving his arms hanging around when 3/4 of the top 10 205 pounders are bjj black belts

oh and JDS is a fucking beast.

it feels soooo wrong that JDS and cain have to fight each other. oh well, will be awesome and interesting to see how cain does against a beastly boxer who still has his speed, tons of power and is fairly well rounded, and how JDS does against a monster wrestler that has pretty damn good standup and stays active constantly.

yea jon jones is definitely scary. i wonder if theres anyone in the lhw division he wont be able to get down. he got vera down with fucking ease, although vera did say he was not gonna try to defend takedowns hard in the show and rely on his bjj.

he kinda rubs me the wrong way though. he seems nice enough but his i used to snitch on kids who smoked pot and his sloppy ass stand up taht gets so much love. i dunno he kinda tilts me. though i still think good active bjj practitioners that arnt scared like shogun, machida, and lil nog would sub/sweep him easily.

jds is awesome. i like him and carwin a lot. if mir wins and gets the title shot as ive said before im going to go on monster tilt.

GO FRANK ROIDS RAGE MIR

in case you guys missed it king mo ko'd barnett last night

Barnett won.....

Was that a level post?

ok i lied

barnett followed up by kicking him right in the dick. not an inside leg kick either. a fucking front kick right in the dick. it was horrible. mighty mo proceeded to say that he couldnt continue. the japanese officials proceeded to stand around for 15 minutes arguing while mighty mo kept saying he couldnt continue. after the 15 minutes he did. i dunno it was pretty shady.

barnett got the takedown and mo tapped before it was close to even locked in lol.

LOL IN THE DICK!!!!

FUCK completely forgot about DREAM being on last night I'm sad...

JDS's style of striking is really really really well set for MMA. it's got a lot of safe shots to the body and counters correctly. He throws power shots when opponents backpedal because no fear of takdown. he's very smart.. super impressed by him and at HW if you can have that type of speed you really can do something. in some ways i think his potential to be dominant could be greater then cain's because cain is a wrestler in a division with a ton of wrestlers/ground guys while JDS is a striker and no one is really close. Pretty sure he'd horrificly decapitate kongo.. So all depends on his TDD.

I mean people think he's small but at 6'4" 240 he's basically arlovski size and speed. But i'm sure his chin is way better. He's also younger then Cain (25 and Cain is 27). I mean i still think Cain is more preppared based on what i see, but JDS for sure seems like he could be a real monster in HW... time will tell especially if they face ecah other.

i mean love fighters like gsp/bj/etc... but there is nothing like the HW division. I mean no matter how good bj penn's boxing and ground is he'll never beat gonzaga ever. GSP is a beast but cain would probably melt his brain.

the HW champ is the real king of MMA and it's just awesome to see all these beasts in the division.

On March 22 2010 22:42 Fox wrote: i mean love fighters like gsp/bj/etc... but there is nothing like the HW division. I mean no matter how good bj penn's boxing and ground is he'll never beat gonzaga ever. GSP is a beast but cain would probably melt his brain. the HW champ is the real king of MMA and it's just awesome to see all these beasts in the division.

I don't really like this logic nor do I actually believe it

On March 22 2010 22:42 Fox wrote: i mean love fighters like gsp/bj/etc... but there is nothing like the HW division. I mean no matter how good bj penn's boxing and ground is he'll never beat gonzaga ever. GSP is a beast but cain would probably melt his brain. the HW champ is the real king of MMA and it's just awesome to see all these beasts in the division.

... wat?

Haven't seen the Penn vs Machida/Gracie fights? To make such a broad statement involving two of the best p4p fighters in the world is kind of ridiculous. Especially since your yard stick is Gonzaga. I would never underestimate those guys ever.

Apparently Lesnar is the king of MMA?

And also if you're logic is that they are bigger therefore stronger blah blah, then I could say that if BJ Penn was 250lbs and the same skill level as he is now, he'd rape everyone in the HW division. Same for GSP. And if you shrunk Gonzaga (to use your example) or Cain to 155 and gave them same skills, they would get RAPED by BJ.

I agree with fox. Part of the appeal of mma for me is that its a lot closer to a real fight than something like boxing. There probably isant anyone in the world who weighed 155lbs and below who would be favored in a fight to the death against bj.

And thats why the heavy weight division is so appealing. The best hw mma fighter is literally the best fighter on the planet and would be favored in a fight against anyone in the world. Theres something special about someone being the absolute best in the world at something, especially something as universal as fighting.

And seriously gonzaga would kill bj everytime.

On March 23 2010 01:14 Rush wrote: And also if you're logic is that they are bigger therefore stronger blah blah, then I could say that if BJ Penn was 250lbs and the same skill level as he is now, he'd rape everyone in the HW division. Same for GSP. And if you shrunk Gonzaga (to use your example) or Cain to 155 and gave them same skills, they would get RAPED by BJ.

Yea if they had the exact same skills thats true but who cares? In a real fight if you put fedor or lesnar against bj bj is just going to get killed and thats part of why hws are appealing.

That's because Lesnar is like double the size.......I don't get why it's appealing to lack skill, and just be stronger.....Which I guess the appeal is more KOs and such, but that just seems like a fish mentality to watch MMA....But I guess it just depends on your level of interest.

On March 22 2010 22:42 Fox wrote: i mean love fighters like gsp/bj/etc... but there is nothing like the HW division. I mean no matter how good bj penn's boxing and ground is he'll never beat gonzaga ever. GSP is a beast but cain would probably melt his brain. the HW champ is the real king of MMA and it's just awesome to see all these beasts in the division.

Looks like you are finally coming along! welcome to the club fox

On March 23 2010 01:34 Rush wrote: That's because Lesnar is like double the size.......I don't get why it's appealing to lack skill, and just be stronger.....Which I guess the appeal is more KOs and such, but that just seems like a fish mentality to watch MMA....But I guess it just depends on your level of interest.

lol seriously dont be such a condescending prick you have no clue what me or fox's interest in mma is.

Its very appealing to watch sick skill its also appealing to watch someone who is the very best at something. And the hw fighters are the very best in the world. I like to watch olympic sprinters not because of the skill they use while running but because its awesome to watch the very fastest people in the world race.

How was that condescending? You just insta attacked me for nothing? I was merely speculating. If I wanted to sound like an asshole, I'd just say you were both fucking morons. Which I'm not implying you are btw, I'm just saying.

agree 100% with mig and fox.

its awesome to think that if anyone in the world got in a fight with fedor to the death in just about any setting fedor would be a favorite to come out alive

hmmm im the complete opposite. i mean i love watching a few hws like fedor. but for the most part id way rather watch a 155 pound high paced action packed technical clinic than 2 heavyweights who are gonna likely be less technical, slow, and not be able to keep up anywhere near the pace of the lighter weights. even if they could body kick the little guys and break them in two.

biggest baddest mofo on the block means little to me.

On March 22 2010 18:29 Stim_Abuser wrote:

He lets him nut shot him back after the fight is over. LOL